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[layoutshooter]

Uh-huh ....


Only in your mind


Dr. Paul is far more dangerous for reasons other than the possibility that he may be elected President - the most dangerous (to them) is that he is waking the citizens of this nation from a long slumber ... he is changing the dialog ..... and changing minds ......

That is incredibly dangerous ....... for some .....

Ron Paul is not responsible for the citizens waking up, Obama is. Many of us woke up years ago, Paul had nothing to do with us either. I started to stir when Ford was in. He angered me greatly. I woke up when Carter started his "reign of stupid". Never did get back to sleep after that.

Dr. Paul is putting out a few ideas that many have been putting out for years. He is only "ok" at it. I still contend that he s "not" a leader. He may have changed your mind on things, not mine. It changed years ago.

 

[greg334]

The sad thing Carter's reign of stupid is still going on.

 

[layoutshooter]

The sad thing Carter's reign of stupid is still going on.

Without a doubt.

 

[mxzane933]

I specified "a choice that results in freedom" for a reason. Can you even NAME a recognized candidate other than Dr. Paul who is even proposing freedom? Name one. Just one.

And Dr. Paul is very healthy. As long as the GOP doesn't have him assassinated, I bet he lives another 15 years, and he's sharper than most people you know. If he wasn't, he wouldn't kick all forms of @$$ in debates.




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[RLENT]

Ron Paul is not responsible for the citizens waking up, Obama is.

Judging from the sheer number of citizens willing to support any number of flavors of Republicrat Obama-Lite™ I think not ....

Swapping one delusion for another does not qualify as a rise in awareness ..... or as awakening and opening your eyes.

Of course, given that Obama hisself is just a warped, worse permutation version of Bush, there is some merit to what you say ....

Many of us woke up years ago, Paul had nothing to do with us either.

Indeed - but that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with what is occurring now .....

Of course, it all depends on what one considers one is waking from ...

I started to stir when Ford was in. He angered me greatly. I woke up when Carter started his "reign of stupid". Never did get back to sleep after that.

Good for you - we'll put you in line as a veteran for a campaign ribbon once we've won the war.

In the meantime, either pick up an arm and join the fight ..... or step to the side, and get out of the way .....

Dr. Paul is putting out a few ideas that many have been putting out for years. He is only "ok" at it.

Yeah ... he took the remaining funds (which I think were over 10 million) from his last campaign - and rather than retaining them and using them for some other purpose - formed two educational organizations (C4L,Y4L) which currently have a membership of over 600,000 people all across the country ....

He has an campaign organization that is the envy of all others - and which apparently has entirely impressed the news media as well, given how much they are talking about it.

One of the liabilities of speaking out on any matter is that one ultimately runs the risk of others coming to the conclusion that the individual has no real clue what they are talking about.

I still contend that he's "not" a leader.

Please do keep in mind that I always filter sentiments such as the above through the lens of my own observations of demonstrations of leadership (or lack thereof) by those making them.

I can't say that I'm entirely surprised that the above is of your view of him.

He may have changed your mind on things, not mine.

That's rather a presumptuous assumption don't you think ?

What, by the way, makes you think he's changed my mind about anything?

It changed years ago.

My condolences ....

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[moose]

I thought this was about fun things...

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[clcooper]

I haven' t made my choice yet, but for sure it wont be B.O., and R.P. isn't even on the short list.

I mean have you seen him lately? He doesn't look like he could last through a full term.

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[Pilgrim]

The sad thing Carter's reign of stupid is still going on.

Nope - that's not the problem. What needs to be addressed is the reason the approval rating of Congress is the lowest ever. The problem is the voters think everybody else's congressman is an incompetent crook but theirs is OK - they don't want to hold their own representative accountable in spite of their record showing they adhere to the status quo. Most of these people in the House get re-elected every cycle because of the advantages of incumbency and name recognition within their district. Notice Barney Frank gave it up this year when his district was realigned. People need to completely re-evaluate their congressmen and demand they make hard decisions about budgets, foreign policy, the whole ball of wax. This is a lot easier said than done, especially in the Senate as opposed to the House - but it can be accomplished if the voters forget the name recognition and start looking at the records of their representatives. However, that's asking a lot.

 

[layoutshooter]

"he problem is the voters think everybody else's congressman is an incompetent crook but theirs is OK "

Not me! I think my congressman, and both senators, are a bunch of scumbag, socialist pigs. Other than that they suck. Nothing more than shills for the UAW and Obama.

 

[Ragman]

"he problem is the voters think everybody else's congressman is an incompetent crook but theirs is OK "

Not me! I think my congressman, and both senators, are a bunch of scumbag, socialist pigs. Other than that they suck. Nothing more than shills for the UAW and Obama.

 

[layoutshooter]

Nope, not mad, disgusted! Just calling it the way I see it. It's not my fault these sorry, no good for nothing, rotten Denebian Slime Devils are elected all the time. I did not vote for any of them!

 

[greg334]

Nope - that's not the problem. What needs to be addressed is the reason the approval rating of Congress is the lowest ever. The problem is the voters think everybody else's congressman is an incompetent crook but theirs is OK - they don't want to hold their own representative accountable in spite of their record showing they adhere to the status quo. Most of these people in the House get re-elected every cycle because of the advantages of incumbency and name recognition within their district. Notice Barney Frank gave it up this year when his district was realigned. People need to completely re-evaluate their congressmen and demand they make hard decisions about budgets, foreign policy, the whole ball of wax. This is a lot easier said than done, especially in the Senate as opposed to the House - but it can be accomplished if the voters forget the name recognition and start looking at the records of their representatives. However, that's asking a lot.

Well Duh!

The reign of stupid does not mean the politicians in office, it means the people.

Look many want something for nothing, since the 1890's we have been faced with this idea that the government has to do something when in fact it doesn't.

If you know about history, you know that Hoover, among the other republicans were lockstep into the same idea that TR and later on Wilson had been trying to get going, it took 100 years but TR's vision has been achieved. Wilson has stated a few times that the idea of this limited government is part of the problem and there has to be a change, and we got that change - starting with FDR going through Obama, there is not one president that you can say is what the country stood for or helped the country as it should be helped.

So the reign of stupid continues, it will until the people take off the blinders. It is part and parcel of both parties, they are one in the same except with different mascots, with their need to subjugate all of us into their will.

 

[RLENT]

Nope, not mad, disgusted! Just calling it the way I see it. It's not my fault these sorry, no good for nothing, rotten Denebian Slime Devils are elected all the time.

Unless one has actually run for public office themselves, I'm not quite sure that that's a claim one can make with anything approaching a degree of validity or legitimacy .....

I know I certainly couldn't ....

I did not vote for any of them!

Yup.

 

[layoutshooter]

"Unless one has actually run for public office themselves, I'm not quite sure that that's a claim one can make with anything approaching a degree of validity or legitimacy .....

I know I certainly couldn't ...."


You could not say that it was not your fault that they were elected? What am I missing? I can either vote for, or against, the candidate running. If I vote against them it is not my fault that they got elected. How is that a wrong statement?

Besides, I know what a shovel looks like and can call it a spade if I choose. Just calling what I see.

 

[Ragman]

. . . rotten Denebian Slime Devils are elected all the time.

 

[RLENT]

You could not say that it was not your fault that they were elected?

That is correct.

What am I missing? I can either vote for, or against, the candidate running.

..... what you - or anyone else really with a similar viewpoint - is missing is what full responsibility (or at least a higher level of responsibility) really would be, for this nation, as a citizen.

In other words, simply put, what one's ultimate duty is to the nation.

...... protect and defend ..... all enemies ..... foreign and domestic ?

If I vote against them it is not my fault that they got elected. How is that a wrong statement?

It isn't a "wrong" statement - it's just a statement which is reflective of a viewpoint which takes something significantly less than a full responsibility for the situation.

The idea of "fault" is associated with, and connected to, the idea "being blamed" for something ..

Denial of "fault" is an effort to avoid personal responsibility and accountability- by stating that, as a consequence of one's own actions (or inactions), one is not responsible (and therefore cannot be held accountable) for a particular situation or condition.

You have only addressed one part of your responsibility - what you did.

You did not address what you failed to do or could have done (in addition to what you did do) .... run for office yourself.

Besides, I know what a shovel looks like and can call it a spade if I choose. Just calling what I see.

Yup - me too. A bit brutally perhaps ..... but nevertheless it's how I see it.

I'm not really trying to condemn your for it - but I cannot let your statement of ".... it's not my fault ....." go unanswered.

Yes, it is your "fault" ... and mine ... and everyone else's as well ......

 

[layoutshooter]

".. protect and defend ..... all enemies ..... foreign and domestic ?"

Well I did protect and defend our Constitution, for 20 years. When it comes time to fight again, I will, assuming I am still able too.

I am not quite sure what you mean? What are you after?

 

[RLENT]

Well I did protect and defend our Constitution, for 20 years.

My hat is off to you then .....

I'm sure that you don't consider that your oath ended when your career in government did.

When it comes time to fight again, I will, assuming I am still able too.

The time to fight has come .... the time is now .....

Sometimes fighting does not require picking up gun, but simply taking a stand ..... or raising your voice .... or just supporting someone who is ...

I am not quite sure what you mean? What are you after?

The only advice I can offer you is read what I wrote .... and what I (and others) have been writing ....

No person can force another to have a realization they do not wish to have ....

 

[layoutshooter]

No, my oath did NOT end when I quit. In fact, I quit BECAUSE of my oath. I quit because I would NOT partake in unconstitutional work as ordered by "Slick Willy", the WORST CNC I worked for in regards to the Constitution.

I will support someone if I find some one worth supporting. Just because some feel that Paul fits that bill in no way requires me to agree with that assessment. It is opinion, not fact.

I am looking for a reason to support Paul, I just don't think he can handle the job. It is your OPINION he can and my OPINION that he cannot.


As to "fighting" not needing I gun, I know that, but it very well may come to that. I don't see any candidate out there that can turn this around. You do, you think Paul can. That is your OPINION.

 

[RLENT]

No, my oath did NOT end when I quit. In fact, I quit BECAUSE of my oath. I quit because I would NOT partake in unconstitutional work as ordered by "Slick Willy", the WORST CNC I worked for in regards to the Constitution.

I will support someone if I find some one worth supporting. Just because some feel that Paul fits that bill in no way requires me to agree with that assessment. It is opinion, not fact.

I am looking for a reason to support Paul, I just don't think he can handle the job. It is your OPINION he can and my OPINION that he cannot.

As to "fighting" not needing I gun, I know that, but it very well may come to that. I don't see any candidate out there that can turn this around. You do, you think Paul can. That is your OPINION.

Yup - but the original point where you and I got into this little exchange was the point where you attempted to deny your own accountability for the situation we find ourselves in - by stating:

"It's not my fault these sorry, no good for nothing, rotten Denebian Slime Devils are elected all the time."​

My answer to that is: of course it is - you didn't run.

It's your fault ..... and mine .... and anyone else who failed to step up to the plate and offer themselves up ..... to run for public office.

The question really is: how responsible do you want to be ?