Sylectus shippers posting !!

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
Exactly Charles you see what I'm saying ? They are pawning Expedited as LTL freight. I have landed a few off the boards that paid good in the past but Sylectus does usually have better rates than the standard boards.

Many readers, including Diane and me, do not get loads off "the boards." Could you enlighten us? What kinds of loads do these boards feature, at what rates, for what kinds of trucks?

Say I am sitting in Chicago with a dry box D-unit (10 skids, 13,000 lbs.) and am looking for something that will keep me east of the Mississippi. What is an example of a good load might be found on the boards? What is an example of a bad one? What might I typically expect?
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
Many readers, including Diane and me, do not get loads off "the boards." Could you enlighten us? What kinds of loads do these boards feature, at what rates, for what kinds of trucks?

Say I am sitting in Chicago with a dry box D-unit (10 skids, 13,000 lbs.) and am looking for something that will keep me east of the Mississippi. What is an example of a good load might be found on the boards? What is an example of a bad one? What might I typically expect?

The majority (literally pages) of loads are for TT's. For what you are describing in a limited fashion could be anywhere from 5 being the high side, to well below a buck on the down side. Time, length of load, origin, special handling will all move that number around. Average for LTL seems to be about .75 to 1.50 per load.
 

idtrans

Expert Expediter
The majority (literally pages) of loads are for TT's. For what you are describing in a limited fashion could be anywhere from 5 being the high side, to well below a buck on the down side. Time, length of load, origin, special handling will all move that number around. Average for LTL seems to be about .75 to 1.50 per load.


Thanks Dave great answer. Also a ? See what they are trying to do is get TT to haul Straight truck loads as LTL. When you call they say pickup is tue and delivers wed at 6am. A true ltl is picked up on a tue and delivered by the following Tue or so not a set delivery the next day. And Ateam you should know rates vary you have been in trucking long enough. Depends commodity , delivery location, weight, urgency YOU KNOW !!!
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
Thanks Dave great answer. Also a ? See what they are trying to do is get TT to haul Straight truck loads as LTL. When you call they say pickup is tue and delivers wed at 6am. A true ltl is picked up on a tue and delivered by the following Tue or so not a set delivery the next day. And Ateam you should know rates vary you have been in trucking long enough. Depends commodity , delivery location, weight, urgency YOU KNOW !!!

I wouldn't take a LTL load that has an actual delivery time designated by a certain hour. By the day is generally ok but not guaranteed, but someone that is selling a LTL and thinks we will show up on the hour will be very disappointed. It gets there when it gets there.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
... And Ateam you should know rates vary you have been in trucking long enough. Depends commodity , delivery location, weight, urgency YOU KNOW !!!

Yes, idtrans, I know that loads depend on commodity, delivery location, weight and urgency. What I hope to learn is more about the load boards themselves, the kinds of freight and rates that are typically found on them, and the business operations of the people who use them.

I am asking my questions in the open not so much for myself but for the expediters who do not use load boards but are curious about them.

You know how it is. Expediters are curious. Where are you going? What are you hauling? What does that load pay? Are you busy? How much money do you make? How do you get your loads? What brokers (agents) do you work with? What's the story on that fleet owner? How is it running for (carrier name)? You have your own authority, how is that working for you? When they meet, dogs sniff each other's butts. Expediters ask questions like these to check each other out.

No matter what kind of operation you are running (driver of fleet owner truck, owner-operator leased to a carrier, owner-operator with own authority and customers, owner-operator with own authority living off load boards, or a blend of these), most expediters like to know more about the other operations. I asked my question to stimulate conversation, bring more information to the surface and maybe unearth a nugget or two to use in the four stories I am working on now for upcoming editions of Expedite NOW magazine.

The Sylectus Annual Conference 2012 was an information and professional networking gold mine for me (see this thread) but I met no one there who drives a truck and works close to the asphalt like Open Forum and Expedite NOW readers do. I am glad to see increased chatter in the Open Forum about load boards and Sylectus, posted by people who actually use the Sylectus network and run load board operations. It is interesting and informative.

If you drive a truck that is leased to a major expedite carrier, this is not an area to be ignored. Your carrier uses outside carriers to cover loads. Knowing more about outside carriers and how they get their freight is to know more about your carrier and your opportunities too.
 
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CharlesD

Expert Expediter
We subscribe to one non expedite board and this is how we use it.

The main thing is that I don't go there expecting to see an expedite load or anything paying close to an expedite rate. I go there if we have a truck in a difficult area to get out of and we want to find a paid relocation rather than just have the guy deadhead somewhere. You can usually cover your fuel with an LTL and that beats deadheading for nothing. Occasionally the opportunity is there to put 3 or 4 of them on one straight and that can be profitable if you're getting .50 or .75 cpm on each one. We will also look for small ones to throw on with an expedite if the expedite has plenty of time on it or if the LTL is delivering in the same area and the expedite can be dropped first. Here's an example. We have a large straight that picked up yesterday in Connecticut and he's heading out to Boeing in Everett. He's got enough space left for a couple more skids, so we're looking for something that we can throw on with the expedite just for some extra revenue on the way out there.

What happens on these boards is that most of the brokers on there are in truckload and LTL land where the idea of a full rate to anything smaller than 53' is unheard of. Even if they have a specific delivery time on a load and you try to quote them a full rate, you'll get responses like, "But it's only a partial." These are normally brokers who don't handle this kind of freight that much and when a shipper calls them with a load like that, they really don't know what to do with it. They still treat it like a partial load because that's all they know. It can be frustrating trying to deal with them or explain to them that their load is in reality an exclusive use expedite. I had a conversation with one the other day where he told me, "But we're not paying for the whole truck...", and my reply was, "But if you want it delivered when you're telling me, we don't have enough time to sit around looking for something to put with it, so you are getting the whole truck." We couldn't see eye to eye, so we never did the load.

Occasionally you have a company that everyone here sees as an expedite company posting loads on the LTL boards, but most of the time those are true LTL loads, and there are some companies that do primarily truckload and LTL but post expedites on Sylectus from time to time as well. That doesn't bother me. What bothers me is someone wanting expedite service for LTL rates, and sadly there are probably carriers out there who will oblige them for whatever reasons, going home, relocating, etc. You will also see people posting LTL loads on Sylectus but in the truck type you're seeing things like small straight, large straight, van, etc. If you're posting it as an LTL and that's all you want to pay, then why list it for anything smaller than a TT?

Anyway, that's the low down on load boards. Of course there are the expedite boards like NLM and Active, but that's a different animal than the boards like getloaded.com where you have to pay money to subscribe. Sylectus is the only expedite board that charges money, but then again you're getting more than just a "load board" with them. NLM, Active, and some of the other expedite sources that post freight on boards don't cost any money to get access to, but lately that freight is about the cheapest freight out there because of the competitive bidding.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
Thank you, CharlesD. Do you or anyone else have the 411 on the bords the major expedite carriers post their freight on?
 

CharlesD

Expert Expediter
Thank you, CharlesD. Do you or anyone else have the 411 on the boards the major expedite carriers post their freight on?

I assume you mean the overflow freight the larger carriers broker out? That would be on Sylectus. Panther, Fedex, and Tri-State don't post on there though. Panther has their own bid board where they put their extra freight and Fedex and Tri-State send emails to their partners. The other boards you see expedite freight on would be NLM and Active Aero, and some of the 3PLs who list freight on their own boards. Most of the other freight out there is not posted on boards, and that's the best paying freight anyway.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
I assume you mean the overflow freight the larger carriers broker out? That would be on Sylectus. Panther, Fedex, and Tri-State don't post on there though. Panther has their own bid board where they put their extra freight and Fedex and Tri-State send emails to their partners.

Various people have talked in the Open Forum about being outside carriers (partner carriers) to the big-brand expedite carriers but have provided little detail. Is that a business model that can work? How does one become a partner carrier and bid on those loads?
 

CharlesD

Expert Expediter
Various people have talked in the Open Forum about being outside carriers (partner carriers) to the big-brand expedite carriers but have provided little detail. Is that a business model that can work? How does one become a partner carrier and bid on those loads?

There is a fair amount of freight if you're smart where you keep your trucks. Stay out of overly competitive areas and you get a decent rate. Most of the large carriers post on Sylectus, with the exception of Panther, Tri-State, and Fedex. You just contact the carrier and ask for their partner carrier department, or carrier development, or whatever they call it. Just tell them you want to be a partner carrier, you swap packets and fill out a contract, and there you go.
 

jelliott

Veteran Expediter
Motor Carrier Executive
US Army
You really need to have your own customer base to succeed and use the other carriers as fill in. Relying on the major carriers or boards for all your freight probably has a very limited chance of success.
 

idtrans

Expert Expediter
Now John if a independent can make a living off load boards if he is smart and CAREFUL OF POSITIONING! I would say that a small guy can make more than leasing to a company because a company off the bat is gonna take 30% off the top so the rate per mile will be in the $1.50 to $1.70 with sur charge. I'm averaging loaded and empty $2+ per mile. The other trick is LOW OVERHEAD otherwise bye bye trucks house or what ever. Now of course if the carrier you're leased to has a solid in house customer base and keeps you rolling at $1.85 minimum for all miles then I would say good deal. I have no clue how many drivers are making any money at rates I see them pulling loads for my god they are nuts .
You really need to have your own customer base to succeed and use the other carriers as fill in. Relying on the major carriers or boards for all your freight probably has a very limited chance of success.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
You really need to have your own customer base to succeed and use the other carriers as fill in. Relying on the major carriers or boards for all your freight probably has a very limited chance of success.

I would agree. Many nameless carriers with that business model take a major hit when freight slows down and the major brands have enough capacity to just accomadate thier own trucks. We see that right here on EO with drivers doing extended sitting to carriers that are doing slow or no pay.
 

jelliott

Veteran Expediter
Motor Carrier Executive
US Army
I would agree. Many nameless carriers with that business model take a major hit when freight slows down and the major brands have enough capacity to just accomadate thier own trucks. We see that right here on EO with drivers doing extended sitting to carriers that are doing slow or no pay.

Dave nailed it. Overflow freight is great, but when freight is not flowing those are the units that suffer the most.
 

blizzard2014

Veteran Expediter
Driver
One of the biggest small carriers on the alliance received an award for moving - or for hauling the most brokered loads on Sylectus. They do not have many customers and they are moving a lot of freight. it can be done, but only if you have a connection. Just like when the owner of T&K Nationwide left Panther and formed his own company. He probably got right on NLM and got access to all of the good freight right away because he established a lot of connections with 3PL's when he was head dispatch for Panther. It's all about who you know in the business that will get you places not necessarily who you are or what you can do!
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
It's all about who you know in the business that will get you places not necessarily who you are or what you can do!

Some readers may read what you wrote and hear the common and cynical phrase "It's not what you know, it's who you know." That would be a mistake.

To a person, the chiefs of the small carriers I talked to at the Sylectus conference (whose fleets combined number about 10,000 trucks) stressed the importance of relationship building in their businesses. Many of them told me that is why they came to the conference in the first place - to meet and network with people and to build trust.

Several of them told me stories about people who signed up to use the Sylectus software and network but became quickly dissatisfied when the system did not work for them. It did not work because the software was flawed. It did not work because they did not get it about relationships and trust. The software itself is a remarkable tool, but without the human relationships and trust built among carriers, who compete against each other but also cooperate, it is useless.

Sylectus software does not work for the people who get it. Sylectus software works for the people who get it about relationship building and trust.
 
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CharlesD

Expert Expediter
Yes, building relationships is key. I don't think a carrier can make it just on brokered freight from larger carriers, but if you have access to enough 3PLs and you use the other carriers to fill in the gaps, you can keep your trucks rather busy. That's the way we've been operating lately. We started out with just the partner agreements with larger carriers until we started finding out some of the other freight sources out there and we've been able to get some good 3PL contacts where the freight isn't on a bid board and the rates are a bit better. That's the key. Get some customers or get a bit closer to the source on a lot of the freight and try to get access to freight that isn't posted on a bid board. The bid board stuff can supplement the other freight and keep you busy but it shouldn't be the only thing you're running. When things are hopping, you do fine just off bid board freight, but in the winter it's a different story.
 

idtrans

Expert Expediter
this week has been slow for me only total of 1900 miles and total rates at $4450 I see that as a better total empty and loaded rate than leasing to a company for $1.70 at most with a fsc. and this was easy running for me and low fuel use and light loads.

Now of course it's easier for me to get freight having a 53' 102 dry van for the winter. Now a straight truck and van or sprinter or cube of course is harder to get freight for because the freight is mixed in with the good ole boys club and thats where the buddy buddy system comes in.

Now I'm on my way to my south florida house to relax for a few days you all have a great time in the snow I'm outta this yukky white stuff in Michigan yuk. Warm sunny days for a nice long needed rest at my sofla party house.
 
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