Switch from flat rate to percentage pay

jelliott

Veteran Expediter
Motor Carrier Executive
US Army
Well the carrier could simply say....pay fsc at 100% but pay the truck when the bill is paid. Much like your carrier does. When fuel is at 25 or 30% you have to think that a carrier is really fronting a pretty big chuck of money to pay it out right away. Now again...I wouldn't do it, but is it fairly justified?

Again my opinion and to give light to both sides of the equation. (not to create a day of debate with OVM LOL)
 
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OntarioVanMan

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Well not to create A debate with Mr. Elliott I think the percentage fee covers any up front money since you already pay upfront on the whole load ;)

By the way thank you for the nice weekend load back to the sunny south it is always a pleasure taking your money John
 

RoadTime

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By the way thank you for the nice weekend load back to the sunny south it is always a pleasure taking your money John

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Steady Eddie

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Well not to create A debate with Mr. Elliott I think the percentage fee covers any up front money since you already pay upfront on the whole load ;)

By the way thank you for the nice weekend load back to the sunny south it is always a pleasure taking your money John

While you were in the neighborhood, did you stop by the shop and get your DOT inspection? After all the loads you do for Load-1, I'm sure it can easily become a requirement. John should be satisfied that his loads are being sold to trucks that will be able to safely run his freight. He will only charge you a very low fee to preform this service. Let's say a non company unit @ 100.00$$. That can be paid out of any FSC you don't get. lol


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xiggi

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I think basically all larger carriers figure x dollars to the truck. Some say we pay this others claim Oh but we pay that. In the end between what they pay is not a huge difference. Just a different pot divided in a way they feel looks shiny to the truck owners.
 

Turtle

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Well the carrier could simply say....pay fsc at 100% but pay the truck when the bill is paid.
Here's a third side to that equation... When I hang a house full of drywall, I expect to get paid when the drywall is hung, not when the house sells. I couldn't care less whether the house sells or not. Privity of contract. <insert Jack Nicholson's Joker - "Whoop. Whoop.">
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jelliott

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US Army
True but the GC pays you before he is paid for the completion of the house?


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Turtle

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True but the GC pays you before he is paid for the completion of the house?
Generally speaking, yes. But as with most things, it can usually come down to the signed contract that spells out the exact scope of work, the amount of pay and how often it is paid. With new home or commercial construction, the subcontractor is going to expect to be paid upon completion of the work. The house may or may not ever sell, but that's not for the subcontractor to worry about. For home renovation work, on the other hand, the subcontractor might get paid upon the completion of their work, but more often than not the subcontractor will get paid when the homeowner pays the general contractor, or within a reasonable amount of time after the project is completed (even if the homeowner refuses to pay the GC). Most client contracts include contract clauses that waive the right of the subcontractor to sue them, making sure that subcontractors can only go after the general contractor in the event they don't get paid (not unlike trucking :D).

The general contractor can do the work himself, or if he so chooses he can contract it out. The subcontractor's obligations are with the general contractor, not the client (owner of the property).

For large jobs that can span weeks or months, the subcontractor will usually require a percentage up front to cover material costs, and then installment payments can be hitched to productivity benchmarks every week, two weeks or month, with the final installment payment typically being paid after the client signs off on the work.

For short jobs and piecework, like a door hanger, a hair stylist, a drywall hanger, they will get paid at the completion of each piece or job, like for each door satisfactorily hung, and they would tend to get paid very frequently, like daily or weekly.

Some contracts are a combination of all of the above, much like trucking, where the subcontractor (independent trucking contractor) doesn't get paid immediately upon completion, but rather within a reasonable time frame, like 2-3 weeks (just like us). In such a cooperative partnership, the hardship of waiting for a client to pay is spread out and mitigated.
 
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geo

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US Navy
one other thing to look at , do they pay wait time, inside delivery , hand load and off load, going to mall, military bases, school's, out of route if it is a hazmat, do they pay for hazmat loads, tolls etc
 

crich

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Fleet Manager
US Navy
It really does not matter to me how much of what the carrier keeps as long as I know whats going into my pocket and I am happy with it. Some days are diamonds some days are coal. Worked both ways and either is ok as long as you know your cut and can live with it.I prefer percentage if the company has a good freight base with lots of direct customers.if its a small company just getting started no real salesforce just getting freight off boards then your safest at the flat rate.jmo
 
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rollincoal

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I prefer percentage pay. Transparency is important too. Like Flyingvan said though, even a "transparent" company can play shell games with their own freight originating from a sister company and skimming the rate like that. That's why I always feel better booking from brokers. But, not all companies will allow that. And many o/o would not be happy with brokered freight at all.

The thing with percentage pay is the devil is in the details. Who is paying for what? The company or the o/o? Some companies charge back for cargo and liability insurance. Some require you to carry OCC/ACC. Some may charge back for plates. There will be differences in accessories pay, fuel discounts and possible fees for swiping the fuel card. Tire and parts discounts. You have to look at all of those things to make an informed decision.
 
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T270_Dreamin

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With regards to the FSC, that often times turns into "the customer didn't want to pay it" or it was low because it was broke out of a flat rate load. So in that case, the carrier would take a percentage because the percentage is based on the total load. This would be just for percentage loads. Really from a operator stand point, it is "what is the load really paying"?
We had a period of running straight truck loads at van rates and that is a slow death if you aren't careful. In those cases, have to make the necessary adjustments.


Speaking of rates I think the local car courier rate just surpassed the nationwide expedite Sprinter rate :D
 
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OntarioVanMan

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With regards to the FSC, that often times turns into "the customer didn't want to pay it" or it was low because it was broke out of a flat rate load. So in that case, the carrier would take a percentage because the percentage is based on the total load. This would be just for percentage loads. Really from a operator stand point, it is "what is the load really paying"?
We had a period of running straight truck loads at van rates and that is a slow death if you aren't careful. In those cases, have to make the necessary adjustments.


Speaking of rates I think the local car courier rate just surpassed the nationwide expedite Sprinter rate :D
heck the new minimum wage at Walmart has surpassed what some will make in expedite taking into account the hours in service....
 

OntarioVanMan

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heck the new minimum wage at Walmart has surpassed what some will make in expedite taking into account the hours in service....
Speaking of wages, now that you are a Publix Person, will you pick up pennies or do you have a nickel minimum?

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they carry the Boars Head Deli Mustard the wife got spoiled on...picked up a stock pile....
 

Mailer

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With regards to the FSC, that often times turns into "the customer didn't want to pay it" or it was low because it was broke out of a flat rate load. So in that case, the carrier would take a percentage because the percentage is based on the total load. This would be just for percentage loads. Really from a operator stand point, it is "what is the load really paying"?
We had a period of running straight truck loads at van rates and that is a slow death if you aren't careful. In those cases, have to make the necessary adjustments.


Speaking of rates I think the local car courier rate just surpassed the nationwide expedite Sprinter rate :D

Talked to one of the Birdie, said he gross 88k last year doing local and occasional out and back regional. Still investigating his claims. Don't know may be just another birdie's story. Lol..
 

T270_Dreamin

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heck the new minimum wage at Walmart has surpassed what some will make in expedite taking into account the hours in service....
Speaking of wages, now that you are a Publix Person, will you pick up pennies or do you have a nickel minimum?

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Quarter minimum if I can't use it to wash the Sprinter or do laundry not worth it :p
 

geo

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Retired Expediter
US Navy
that is about right, last year i was out for few weeks , but in 2015, made just over$ 60,000 running for ceva log
 
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