Still needs fixed

[layoutshooter]

I know, I know, it is NOT illegal. It is however, WRONG! This is just more proof that the welfare system is broken and that many people in this country are just butt lazy. She really believes that she has a right to other peoples money! That is just sick.

I can only imagine what my life would be like now if I had a lump sum of $500,000 at age 24. I know I would not be in this truck right now.

NO able bodied person should be given money for nothing. They should be required to perform work for the charity given. After all, the money that they are given is taken from those who earned it.

A right is not a right if it imposes a burden on another.

No 'spectator' has ever won at the game of life. One has to play to win.

Socialism is a disease, this woman is proof. She is infested by the virus and will likely pass it on to her offspring.




[h=1]Lottery winner on food stamps: ‘I thought maybe it was okay because I’m not working’[/h]
While most people have played the “if I had a million dollars I would ____ ” thought game, few fill that blank in with “stay on public assistance.”


Amanda Clayton, a 24-year-old from Lincoln Park, Michigan, is one of the few who does, and she is getting away with it. Clayton won $1 million from the Michigan State Lottery this fall, but she is still collecting and using $200 a month in food assistance from the taxpayers with her Michigan Bridge Card.


“I thought that they would cut me off, but since they didn’t, I thought maybe it was okay because I’m not working,” the lottery winner who just purchased a new house and car told Local 4 in Detroit. The station even filmed her shamelessly purchasing goods.


When Local 4 asked if she felt she had a right to the money, Clayton responded, “I mean I kinda do.”


Clayton justified the sentiment by explaining that after taking her winnings in a lump sum and having to pay taxes, the total amount was just over half of the initial winnings.


“I feel that it’s okay because I mean, I have no income and I have bills to pay,” she said. “I have two houses.”
Watch Local 4 confront Clayton:









Lottery winner on food stamps:

 

[greg334]

No this is not socialism, it is a problem with bureaucracy of the state. Some state workers made a comment that they will never lose their jobs while Jenny II on Lansing has propsed expanding some government areas that will further entrench these leaches that are part of this problem.

I'm betting that she is being investigated and it should be that like other welfare cheats, she should go to jail.

 

[layoutshooter]

The act of being a welfare cheat is not, in it self, socialism. The idea that she has a RIGHT to the money is a result of the teaching of the socialist nanny state.

She is 24. She should be WORKING. NO work where she lives? Tough, move where it is. that is what responsible adults do. Responsible adults accept the responsibility for their lives. In fact, responsible adults LOVE the challenges of life and enjoy taking them on. Her two houses, welfare and lottery winnings should be stripped from her and she needs to be in jail.

I KNOW I could put that $500,000 to GOOD use. Right to public assistance, bull feathers!

 

[greg334]

Ok here is the thing that bothers me.

Having a safety net of sorts, either state or federal is not a problem as much as it is the issue of continuing to hear people complain about one program and demand the program to be eliminated or cut down while they demand that the program they are paying into goes on untouched and protected?

 

[layoutshooter]

Ok here is the thing that bothers me.

Having a safety net of sorts, either state or federal is not a problem as much as it is the issue of continuing to hear people complain about one program and demand the program to be eliminated or cut down while they demand that the program they are paying into goes on untouched and protected?

It depends, paying into welfare is not an option. It is forced by law and the point of a gun if needed.

A safety net is fine, maybe needed, for those who have NO options, The very sick, the 'truly' mentally and physically disabled. NO able bodied person should be given aid. Work should be required. That work should in no way, shape or form take away job opportunities for those who would choose to work.

It is really not the job of the Feds at all. There may be a legal standing for that States to do it. It really belongs in the hands of private charities.

A right is not a right if it imposes a burden on others.

 

[LDB]

Well, the obvious solution is to check every lotto winner for public assistance. After taxes are taken out the next deduction should be returning every penny ever received in assistance to the provider(s). Once that is done, the remainder, if any, goes to the recipient but with a catch.

The catch is the remaining funds will be calculated based on average family income for their current family size to determine how many years it would last the average family if it were coming in through payroll. That is how long the winner is prohibited from any public assistance again.

 

[greg334]

It depends, paying into welfare is not an option. It is forced by law and the point of a gun if needed.

So using this analogy, I don't have to pay Social Security taxes for those who I feel do not deserve my money?

A safety net is fine, maybe needed, for those who have NO options, The very sick, the 'truly' mentally and physically disabled.

Those examples are not safety nets, they are sustaining living through paying their expenses. We reclassify many to cover those who don't need the help, sometimes it has negitive impact to the bottom line of the country.

NO able bodied person should be given aid. Work should be required. That work should in no way, shape or form take away job opportunities for those who would choose to work.

SO then make the arm forces open to anyone. Lets have right to work states and eliminate the government employment process so anyone can work. Jobs are not easily found for many, it is great to say "find a job" but for some it is nearly impossible in hard times and hard in good times. I choose to work, I wanted to work but I am doing something that I find is just a job until I get something better.

It is really not the job of the Feds at all. There may be a legal standing for that States to do it. It really belongs in the hands of private charities.

I agree but here is a bit of sociology for you, we have a more individual society than we ever had in the past and because it is all about ME First, charities won't cut it. Starting with the breakdown of the family to the breakdown of the community, too much has taken place that it won't take anything outside a localized disaster to reinforce the need for community. IF you want a perfect example, look into Amateur Radio and the way the governments have stepped away from using them but expanded the systems and organizations that are out of the hands of the local authorities.

A right is not a right if it imposes a burden on others.

Really?

So I can not pay taxes for public schools?

I should not be expected to pay the pensions of those who I didn't directly hire or who has not done their job, right?

You know that they want to hire more detroit cops to fight 'crime' but you know that each cop costs an additional 108% of their salary for their benefits?

I think your qoute from that Rush thread that was locked (did you do that?) seems to be useful here too.

I taught to be responsible. I was taught that everyone was responsible for their own lives. I was taught that charity was a gift, given freely. I was taught that the Constitution does not allow the Government to use force to extort money from one to give to another. I took an oath to defend that Constitution, and I will.

But that's exactly what it is doing - the US government has a ponzi scheme going and we can't opt out.

SO how will you defend against that?

What is not surprising? That I believe in personal responsibility? I guess expecting people, adults, to grow up, accept full responsibility for their own lives is wrong and somehow expecting that makes me a bad person, is that correct?

So what is responsibility?

I am wondering what that is because I am at a cross roads over what people are claiming. While they are willing to say they are responsible, I wonder if they are.

I did something that most run from, it changed my life for the worse but you know I can not say I would do anything differently. I know many here would run fast if it was them in my shoes and know many others who would that act that life is tough but they know nothing about being tough.

So would you give up your social security because it hurts the country?

Isn't that being responsible?

The biggest difference between today's 'liberals' and my way of thinking is choice.

I don't really know about that. I think you think liberalism is about socialism which is only a part of it. Socialism is about control but you do know that conservatism isn't about choice either?

All the socialist programs pushed by 'liberals' require the use of force to implement them. I believe the opposite. I believe that IF a person CHOOSES to pay to support those who refuse to do so themselves, that is just fine. If another chooses not to pay to support those who refuse to do so, that is fine too. I am VERY pro-choice. 'Neo-Liberals' are not. They allow only two options, do what I say or you will be forced to do so by any means needed. Up to and including being shot.

You take part of the largest marxist program that the world has ever seen, you know that?

Yep, freedom is alive and well, except in the United Soviet Socialist States of America.

Really, why is it that those who come here from say Zimbabwe seem to think that they have more freedom than back home?

See Layout, one really important thing that I learned from former soviets is that we take for granted a lot more than we can admit to and we don't seem to understand how we can change things for the better because we are always worried about just getting by.

 

[witness23]

Be careful greg, with thoughts like that you'll be labeled, dare I say, a liberal......... oooooohhhhh.

 

[layoutshooter]

So using this analogy, I don't have to pay Social Security taxes for those who I feel do not deserve my money?

shut it down, return 100% of the money taken, with interest.



Those examples are not safety nets, they are sustaining living through paying their expenses. We reclassify many to cover those who don't need the help, sometimes it has negitive impact to the bottom line of the country.



SO then make the arm forces open to anyone. Lets have right to work states and eliminate the government employment process so anyone can work. Jobs are not easily found for many, it is great to say "find a job" but for some it is nearly impossible in hard times and hard in good times. I choose to work, I wanted to work but I am doing something that I find is just a job until I get something better.

I can't do any of this, talk to Levin, he will fix it for you.


I agree but here is a bit of sociology for you, we have a more individual society than we ever had in the past and because it is all about ME First, charities won't cut it. Starting with the breakdown of the family to the breakdown of the community, too much has taken place that it won't take anything outside a localized disaster to reinforce the need for community. IF you want a perfect example, look into Amateur Radio and the way the governments have stepped away from using them but expanded the systems and organizations that are out of the hands of the local authorities.

Charities are having a problem because the government is sucking up all the money. People also don't feel the need to give anymore since the government has assumed that role.



Really?

So I can not pay taxes for public schools?

I should not be expected to pay the pensions of those who I didn't directly hire or who has not done their job, right?

You know that they want to hire more detroit cops to fight 'crime' but you know that each cop costs an additional 108% of their salary for their benefits?

I think your qoute from that Rush thread that was locked (did you do that?) seems to be useful here too. c

Talk to Levin and your school board, I have no control. No I did not lock it.



But that's exactly what it is doing - the US government has a ponzi scheme going and we can't opt out.

SO how will you defend against that?

30.06



So what is responsibility?

I am wondering what that is because I am at a cross roads over what people are claiming. While they are willing to say they are responsible, I wonder if they are.

I did something that most run from, it changed my life for the worse but you know I can not say I would do anything differently. I know many here would run fast if it was them in my shoes and know many others who would that act that life is tough but they know nothing about being tough.

So would you give up your social security because it hurts the country?

Isn't that being responsible?

Nope, they stole that money, it should be returned. I have no idea about your shoes.



I don't really know about that. I think you think liberalism is about socialism which is only a part of it. Socialism is about control but you do know that conservatism isn't about choice either?

I am not a conservative.



You take part of the largest marxist program that the world has ever seen, you know that?

Any marxist program that I take part in is required by law, forced even. Just breathing in this country is becoming a Marxist program.



Really, why is it that those who come here from say Zimbabwe seem to think that they have more freedom than back home?

Not for long. The same things going on there will happen here, soon.

See Layout, one really important thing that I learned from former soviets is that we take for granted a lot more than we can admit to and we don't seem to understand how we can change things for the better because we are always worried about just getting by.

I take noithing for granted. Can't speak for you.

 

[greg334]

Be careful greg, with thoughts like that you'll be labeled, dare I say, a liberal......... oooooohhhhh.

From what I gathered my thoughts and writing is labeled something else not too nice.

Layout, I didn't say some of that, so I don't know if you quoted me correctly or you are having computer problems.

 

[layoutshooter]

From what I gathered my thoughts and writing is labeled something else not too nice.

Layout, I didn't say some of that, so I don't know if you quoted me correctly or you are having computer problems.

I have no idea what is going on. Besides I just took a nap. I did not label you anything, did I?


I guess what it REALLY boils down to is this. If a person does not feel the they are worth the effort to take care of themselves, then I agree, and go along with their choice.

 

[greg334]

I have no idea what is going on. Besides I just took a nap. I did not label you anything, did I?

No not you but I think those are your replies in the middle of the quoted text, right?

I guess what it REALLY boils down to is this. If a person does not feel the they are worth the effort to take care of themselves, then I agree, and go along with their choice.

Well guess what?

That's what Ron Paul says - he's a libertarian.

Me I'm a classic liberal or what is describe but not practiced a conservative. Maybe that's why I think the present conservative movement is just like that of the modern alinsky liberal movement - people speak but no action.

 

[layoutshooter]

More on the subject. On a side note, the "Dale Zorn", Michigan Representative is from my district. I seldom agree with any politician but I will let him know I approve of his bill or any that would insure that this never happens again.

The author mentions a 'course in civic responsibility'. I would support an annual course, starting in kindergarden, on PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!





[h=1]Millionaires on Food Stamps Display Unbelievable Gall[/h]


COMMENTARY | In an interview deserving of public scorn, the unemployed winner of a million-dollar lottery prize said she feels it's her right to keep using food stamps, The Sideshow reports.Amanda Clayton claims she needs the approximate $500,000 in after-tax winnings to pay bills. She owns two homes and a new car.


Clayton's airing of her overblown sense of entitlement provoked outrage. Her action prompted state Rep. Dale Zorn to propose a bill to stop lottery winners who take in more than $1,000 in earnings claiming state benefits.


Clayton follows in the dubious footsteps of Leroy Fick, a $2 million Michigan lottery winner who did the same thing a year ago. Fick's hubris prompted a different legislator to pass a bill, which passed the Michigan Senate today, MLive reports.


How presumptuous can a public benefits recipient get? Why should people who are struggling to put food on their tables be taxed to spare Clayton the burden of dipping into her fat bank account to pay her expenses? Does she really believe she has a right to take advantage of her fellow citizens in this manner?


In October, Michigan adopted new assets tests barring applicants with $5,000 in liquid assets or vehicles valued at more than $15,000 from getting food stamps, according to the New American. The state identified 15,000 people like Clayton and Fick who maybe didn't win lotteries but had sufficient assets for the state to question why they needed a public meal ticket.


Due to widespread objections, Michigan dropped the automobile rule. It's unclear why the $5,000 liquid assets limit didn't stop Clayton from using her Bridge card to buy food. According to The Sideshow, a state worker told her she was eligible despite her $500,000 new-found fortune.


With one-quarter of Michigan feeding itself at public expense, reforms like the one that passed the Senate today and the one introduced in the House are long overdue. A mandatory course in civic responsibility wouldn't hurt either.





Millionaires on Food Stamps Display Unbelievable Gall - Yahoo! News