States push laws to require paid sick days

OntarioVanMan

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Is this the right way to go?

Why can't people just put a dollar day into a jar for that sick day? Or plan for it in their OWN budgets.

Wonder why jobs are going south or over seas?? Just another example of "reap what we sow"

By STEPHEN SINGER

HARTFORD, Conn. -For school bus driver Jamille Aine, a cold is more than an inconvenience. His employer does not offer paid sick days, so if he can't shake the bug, he may not be able to pay his bills.
Some 46 million U.S. workers lack paid sick days, but lawmakers in 12 states _ including California, Connecticut, Minnesota and West Virginia _ have proposed legislation in the past year that would require businesses to provide them.
Dale Butland of Ohioans for Healthy Families, an advocacy group pushing a November ballot initiative that would require employers to offer paid sick days, said the effort picked up steam in Columbus and other state capitals because federal legislation has stalled.
"This is the next frontier in assuring workplaces are safe," said Kate Kahan, director of the work and family program at the Washington-based National Partnership for Women & Families, which lobbies on paid sick leave and other workplace and health care issues.
Businesses _ especially small companies _ argue that forcing them to offer paid sick days hinders their ability to provide a flexible array of benefits, such as a mix of vacation and personal days that also may be used by employees when they are sick. And they say it's a costly new mandate for businesses already struggling through a contracting economy.
Nearly all large companies already offer paid sick leave to at least some of their workers, but state and federal mandates could require them to expand the benefit.
Kahan and other workers' advocates believe paid sick time should be an employment standard, like the federal minimum wage.
Advocates say the benefit is particularly needed for employees who handle food or work with children.
Aine, who drives Stamford students ages of 3 to 17 to school, cited that as a reason he would like to have the financial flexibility to stay home when he's sick.
"It's not just for me, but for the people you drive," he said.
The federal Bureau of Labor Statistics estimates that 43 percent of the private industry labor force worked in 2007 without paid sick time, a group primarily made up of low-paid employees at small businesses.
Workers advocates' have been pushing the issue since 1993, when the Family and Medical Leave Act was signed into law, requiring employers to provide up to 12 weeks of unpaid leave a year. While federal legislation was first proposed in 2004, it may have a shot at passing next year if Democrats control the White House and Congress after the November elections, said the bill's sponsor, Rep. Rosa DeLauro, D-Conn.
Wal-Mart Stores Inc., the world's largest retailer, gives paid sick days to employees who work more than 34 hours a week. The company has not taken a position on the proposed federal law, spokeswoman E.R. Anderson said.
"We feel our health benefits and sick leave benefits are competitive, and we feel good about it," she said.
Karen Kerrigan, president of the Small Business and Entrepreneurship Council, an Oakton, Va.-based lobbying group with 70,000 members nationwide, said the costs of providing paid sick days are particularly difficult for her constituents. The new requirement would add to already high taxes and costly workers' compensation, she said.
"This is a piling-on measure," she said.
Most jobs that offer paid sick time have higher salaries and attract educated, skilled workers. About 80 percent of management-level workers have paid sick time, while 39 percent of service workers get the benefit, the U.S. Department of Labor says.
"Very often these are the jobs where people are living very close to the bone," said Debra Ness, president of the National Partnership for Women & Families. "Workers are sometimes putting their jobs on the line because they have a sick child or are sick."
"If we live in a society where all adults are working then we need to have a workplace to accommodate that reality," she said.
Paid sick days are already law in Washington, D.C., where employees earn days off based on the number of hours worked and the size of the business, and in San Francisco, which requires one hour sick leave for every 30 hours worked.
The Golden Gate Restaurant Association, which represents 900 restaurants, did not endorse or oppose the ballot measure that enacted the local ordinance, but won several changes, such as allowing employers to require a worker give "reasonable notice" when calling in sick, said Kevin Westlye, executive director. The law has been successful, he said.
"There's been some concern that employees are abusing the ordinance. There's been a little bit of that, but not as widespread as people thought at the beginning," Westlye said.
Proposed federal legislation would provide workers with seven days of paid sick leave a year for employees who work 30 or more hours a week. The benefit would be prorated for part-time workers.
Sen. Barack Obama, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, supports the legislation.
Sen. John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee, opposes employer mandates, particularly when the economy is slowing, his campaign said. It did not address the pending federal legislation.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
OVM,

There is a lot more to the story than what they are saying. Like we are not taking care of ourselves by eating right. We spend money on things; big screen TVs, $100 nights out and iphone style phones for the brats that costs more than most car repairs.

Our priorities are messed up. I get sick on the road, I don't have paid days off.
 

OntarioVanMan

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Greg..If I owned a business and had to absorb the extra costs...bye bye company picnic, bye bye, appreciation days, Hello strict time clock management....Now thru ths cost of a product I have to support someones time off??
 

pjjjjj

Veteran Expediter
A long time ago, I worked at an insurance co where they gave 8 sick days paid per year, but it was screwed up, something like you had to be off for 2 at a time. You can bet that every employee made sure they took the max each year, as you weren't allowed to bank them.
These laws are killing the small independent companies.
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
Ohio is working on this right now. It will cost jobs for small employers. And the indirect cost to all employees is what no one things about. I guy takes off for a fri to get a long weekend, he is in a small supplier shop that supplies a bigger plant, hs work doesn't get done because the owner had to layoff an employee and now the production right on down the line is affected.

This is just one more entitlement program that the liberals feel the need to give to those that they feel can't take care of themselves...

Its all BS!!
 

arkjarhead

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When I worked for the state we had sick days. I was working in the prison. We never got to use them though. Because we got our overtime paid on a seperate check. We got 4 of these checks every year. One overtime check every 3 months. What the State of Arkansas would do was when you take a sick day they would deduct 12 hours from your overtime. The only reason it bothered me was the fact that overtime is time and a half and it was being taken away for straight pay. I would rather lose the straight pay and still get my overtime, but things don't always work the way we want them to.
 

layoutshooter

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Just more government interferance in business. Then people wonder why all the jobs are leaving the country. Layoutshooter
 

butterfly610

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I definately think that jobs go overseas because of how lazy american workers are, and how they want everything when they want it, how they want it, without working for it. But, in the case of someone like a school bus driver.....don't they only make like 12 bucks an hour? And you ask why they can't save up enough money for being sick? Hmmm...have you ever thought, maybe it's someone supporting a family on 12 bucks an hour, just barely getting by, and if they do take one day off when they're sick, it really messes things up? Some people truly are poor, not because they spend money on extra things like T.V.'s, etc..(althouth there are many like that) but because they maybe didn't have the means to do something with there life that would pay better, or didn't go to school, or just had a run of bad luck in life?

Where's the compassion for people who can't afford things like getting sick. I just get irritated with the lack of compassion for poor people in the world. I know that some people abuse the system, and people spend money on things they shouldn't instead of things they need, but I'm not talking about those people, and those people don't make up the whole entirity of poor people. What about single moms or single dads who can barely get by, or older people who didn't have a retirement and have to work now, or just people who are really trying but can't get ahead? You always hear people saying that homeless people must be on drugs or alcoholics. I once watched a documentary about some people who had careers that paid well, company went out of business, they couldn't find work, and in a matter of weeks, lost everything they owned and were on the streets. It happens to the best of us.
 

arkjarhead

Veteran Expediter
My brother in law drives a school bus to supplement his youth pastor income. The school he works for pays him 50 bucks a day. He only works about 5 hours a day though. So it really isn't bad if it is to supplement something else, but if that is all he and my sister had they would be hurting. Could you imagine trying to make it on $250.00 a week before taxes most of the year and then about 3-4 you didn't get anything? It would be tough.

I do agree with the statements that we as Americans have gotten lazy. It amazes me. The last time I was in Michigan I was in a TA and there were a bunch of locals sitting around the counter about 1 in the afternoon. I asked if they worked 2nd shift thinking they were grabbing a bite before going in. They said no they didn't work. They lost their jobs, and they weren't going to move or try to do anything else besides what they had done for 15 years or however long. So they just sit in the TA from 8-5 eating meals and talking while drawing a check through some state program. No wonder why they don't get any new jobs up there and they all come down here. When Hino opened up it's plant in my hometown they didn't worry about paying higher taxes to take care of people who don't work. Plus the workers don't make near as much. Had a janitor in Ohio one time tell me he was making 22 an hour. Maybe, maybe the line bosses make that down here, but it's doubtful. If you add in health insurance and that then they make equal to or more. It's different that's for sure. I don't know if or which is better off or worse off but it is different.
 

OntarioVanMan

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I definately think that jobs go overseas because of how lazy american workers are, and how they want everything when they want it, how they want it, without working for it. But, in the case of someone like a school bus driver.....don't they only make like 12 bucks an hour? And you ask why they can't save up enough money for being sick? Hmmm...have you ever thought, maybe it's someone supporting a family on 12 bucks an hour, just barely getting by, and if they do take one day off when they're sick, it really messes things up? Some people truly are poor, not because they spend money on extra things like T.V.'s, etc..(althouth there are many like that) but because they maybe didn't have the means to do something with there life that would pay better, or didn't go to school, or just had a run of bad luck in life?

Where's the compassion for people who can't afford things like getting sick. I just get irritated with the lack of compassion for poor people in the world. I know that some people abuse the system, and people spend money on things they shouldn't instead of things they need, but I'm not talking about those people, and those people don't make up the whole entirity of poor people. What about single moms or single dads who can barely get by, or older people who didn't have a retirement and have to work now, or just people who are really trying but can't get ahead? You always hear people saying that homeless people must be on drugs or alcoholics. I once watched a documentary about some people who had careers that paid well, company went out of business, they couldn't find work, and in a matter of weeks, lost everything they owned and were on the streets. It happens to the best of us.

Lots of compassion..let them get a 2nd job....if the cost of busing goes up so to do my taxes...now why should I have to endure higher taxes? and put a strain on my family?? Now you have 2 strained famlies...where does it stop???
 

layoutshooter

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Every time I lost my jobs when I was younger, in Michigan, I got another, sometimes two. At one point I was laid off from 3 jobs at the same time. When I could not find another job I moved to where I could. I always move or what ever. Those guys at the TA in Monroe are just lazy. I live in that area and we are poluted with them. No one is owed anything. You do a days work for a days wage. Period. The first job I was laid off from WAS a school bus/janitor job in the Riverview MI school district. I got laid off on the same day we were informed that my wife was pregnant with our first son. I know what hard times are. I worked odd jobs under the table when I could not find real work. I paid the rent and other bills with what ever I earned and hunted and fished for most of our food. If a person is so sick that they are unable to work for long periods then maybe we should be helping but every day stuff, no way. Millions do what it takes to care for thier own needs WITHOUT government intervention. If I owned a small business and was told I had to give sick days I would shut down. I don't run one now because of minimum wage laws. What gives the government the right to dictate what a job is worth? Arrogant SOB's!!!! Most of them never owned a business. Any business I would have owned would have payed above that but it's just the thought of it. Like mandatory seat belt laws, one gallon flushes, helmets. I have a right to do most anything I want. Stay out of my life. The government is out of control. Layoutshooter
 

jujubeans

OVM Project Manager
Every time I lost my jobs when I was younger, in Michigan, I got another, sometimes two. At one point I was laid off from 3 jobs at the same time. When I could not find another job I moved to where I could. I always move or what ever. Those guys at the TA in Monroe are just lazy. I live in that area and we are poluted with them. No one is owed anything. You do a days work for a days wage. Period. The first job I was laid off from WAS a school bus/janitor job in the Riverview MI school district. I got laid off on the same day we were informed that my wife was pregnant with our first son. I know what hard times are. I worked odd jobs under the table when I could not find real work. I paid the rent and other bills with what ever I earned and hunted and fished for most of our food. If a person is so sick that they are unable to work for long periods then maybe we should be helping but every day stuff, no way. Millions do what it takes to care for thier own needs WITHOUT government intervention. If I owned a small business and was told I had to give sick days I would shut down. I don't run one now because of minimum wage laws. What gives the government the right to dictate what a job is worth? Arrogant SOB's!!!! Most of them never owned a business. Any business I would have owned would have payed above that but it's just the thought of it. Like mandatory seat belt laws, one gallon flushes, helmets. I have a right to do most anything I want. Stay out of my life. The government is out of control. Layoutshooter

You sound like you'd fit right in in SD...you've got that get-r-done attitude that most folks have out here.
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
Thanks, you live in the same town as OVM, do you know him? I wish I could live in an area like that. I have to stay in Michigan for the time being, family. My dad is still around. Doing well at almost 86. Still deer hunting. Who knows what the future my bring. Might end up there someday. I would still have to expedite. I am getting too old to learn new jobs and there is not much call for older, overwieght, ugly, half-deaf, used up old spies. LOL. Maybe someone there wants to start a SD intell agency!!! MMMMMMMMMMMMM Not a bad idea!!! LOL Layoutshooter
 

OntarioVanMan

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Thanks, you live in the same town as OVM, do you know him? I wish I could live in an area like that. I have to stay in Michigan for the time being, family. My dad is still around. Doing well at almost 86. Still deer hunting. Who knows what the future my bring. Might end up there someday. I would still have to expedite. I am getting too old to learn new jobs and there is not much call for older, overwieght, ugly, half-deaf, used up old spies. LOL. Maybe someone there wants to start a SD intell agency!!! MMMMMMMMMMMMM Not a bad idea!!! LOL Layoutshooter

The stress level is dramaticlly reduced out there...I think it has bought me an extra 5-10 years...old ,fat, bald?? you my missing brother!!!*LOL*
 

arkjarhead

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Actually that TA wasn't at Monroe it was north of Detroit somewhere. At least I think it was a TA. I had a Staff Sergeant when I was in the Marines and he grew up in Monroe. His family did quite well there. His dad owned a d unit or 2 and a jewlery store. I never heard him complaining about his hometown. Not saying you are complaining layout.
 

layoutshooter

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The only TA I know of north of Detroit is near Saginaw. I don't think I was complaining, just stating what I saw. I guess. Layoutshooter
 

arkjarhead

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What I was saying was SSgt never complained about being from Monroe. I wasn't saying you were, just that he didn't. He was proud to be from Monroe.
 
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