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beachbum

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Gregg, I guess you don't know Mi. law either. Try this

Question 1: What is the difference between a "Chauffeur License" and a Commercial Driver License (CDL)?

Guidance: Without being too technical, the "Chauffeur License" is a driver's license just as an "operator's license" is a driver's license. The State of Michigan requires its residents to obtain a "Chauffeur License" if they are employed for the principal purpose of operating a commercial motor vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating of 10,000 pounds or more. The CDL (although it is called a license) is really a privilege required and granted by the state to operate a larger sized commercial motor vehicle.

Upon meeting the testing requirements for a CDL, a Michigan resident will have a CDL vehicle designator (A, B or C), representative of the type of vehicle he/she is permitted to operate, added to his/her "Chauffeur License." In some cases, the CDL privilege can be added to an operator's license.

The key point is that a resident of Michigan cannot merely apply for a CDL. There must be an existing driver's license (chauffeur or operator) for the CDL privilege to be added.

Question 2: I still don't understand, so what is the difference between a "chauffeur license" and a class "C" CDL privilege?

Guidance: A chauffeur license, as stated above, is a Michigan requirement for commercial vehicles with a GVWR of 10,000 lbs and above. The CDL Group 'C' is necessary for a single vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) less than 26,001 pounds or a vehicle having a GCVWR under 26,001 pounds towing a trailer or other vehicle and carrying hazardous materials on which a placard is required or is designed to transport 16 or more passengers including the driver.


Try this one to prove our point that you are wrong
Question 1: What is a commercial motor vehicle?

Guidance: The general definition for a commercial motor vehicle is contained in Part 390 of the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Regulations (FMCSR) for vehicles operating in interstate commerce. The Michigan Motor Carrier Safety Act of 1963, Act 181 of 1963 adopted this part of the FMCSR into the Michigan Vehicle Code by reference (making these rules applicable to CMV's operating in Michigan intrastate commerce). In 2005 the definition for a commercial motor vehicle was removed from Act 181. The definition contained in 390.5 of the FMCSR applies to both private and for-hire transportation.

With the focus on trucking and the transportation of a commodity, a commercial motor vehicle operating in interstate or Michigan intrastate commerce is:

Any single vehicle having a gross vehicle weight rating or an actual loaded weight of 10,001 pounds or more, or
A combination vehicle (a power unit towing another vehicle or trailer) having a gross combination weight rating (rating of towing and towed unit/s added together) or actual or combined loaded weight of 10,001 pounds or more, or
Any sized vehicle used to transport hazardous material in amounts which would require the vehicle to be placarded
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Gregg, I guess you don't know Mi. law either. Try this

OK I do know the law, this is not what I'm talking about. The licensing of the driver is different than the use of the vehicle. I posted (albeit a long time ago) the exact laws with links to that backs up my position. It has not changed, I have not seen it come across in with the MSP bulentins or in the Lansing emails ... So I assume that the laws are still in place.
Question 1: What is the difference between a "Chauffeur License" and a Commercial Driver License (CDL)?

Guidance: Without being too technical, the "Chauffeur License" is a driver's license just as an "operator's license" is a driver's license. ....

The key point is that a resident of Michigan cannot merely apply for a CDL. There must be an existing driver's license (chauffeur or operator) for the CDL privilege to be added.

I understood this for the past 30 plus years. I had to get a chauffeurs license first before I could do anything - a "well" spent $20.

Try this one to prove our point that you are wrong
Question 1: What is a commercial motor vehicle?

Guidance: The general definition for a commercial motor vehicle is contained in Part 390 of the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Regulations (FMCSR) for vehicles operating in interstate commerce. The Michigan Motor Carrier Safety Act of 1963, Act 181 of 1963 adopted this part of the FMCSR into the Michigan Vehicle Code by reference (making these rules applicable to CMV's operating in Michigan intrastate commerce). In 2005 the definition for a commercial motor vehicle was removed from Act 181. The definition contained in 390.5 of the FMCSR applies to both private and for-hire transportation.

Good try but the 5500 GVW rule and the signage law is still in effect as it was enacted in 2006 - neither of them are enforced. The MMCSA is '63 was one of three places where commercial vehicles are defined, the other two still stand.
 

beachbum

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Owner/Operator
There is no signs at the scales that say 5500GVWR or more at any scale I've seen in Mi. Please post the Mi law and number.

What you did with my post is take the first part but not this below what you posted
With the focus on trucking and the transportation of a commodity, a commercial motor vehicle operating in interstate or Michigan intrastate commerce is:

Any single vehicle having a gross vehicle weight rating or an actual loaded weight of 10,001 pounds or more, or
A combination vehicle (a power unit towing another vehicle or trailer) having a gross combination weight rating (rating of towing and towed unit/s added together) or actual or combined loaded weight of 10,001 pounds or more, or
Any sized vehicle used to transport hazardous material in amounts which would require the vehicle to be placarded
 
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