Sprinter service

ebsprintin

Veteran Expediter
RLENT any idea where you are going to get your service manual?

Anyone find a trick to resetting the ASSYST counter on an 07 after doing a self service? My computer won't reset like it's outlined in the owners manual and the dealership says that Daimler says the owners manual "misspoke" and shouldn't say anything about an owner being able to reset the computer themself--the dealership is supposed to do it.

eb
 

Turtle

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Retired Expediter
First, as to the oil bypass filter, I'm not sure about the 07 and 08 Sprinters, but on the other ones there is simply no place to put the bypass filter. It's been looked at many times by many people, and there's just no way to do it properly.

Dave, as far as dealers go, that's not a bad price for that type of service. It's maybe a little high. Sprinter dealers vary greatly on what they charge for stuff. Dallas Dodge in Garland, TX is by far the highest priced Sprinter dealer I have dealt with. They quoted me a price for something, I laughed and told them it was cheaper for me to have it towed to Ft Worth and mail order the parts in, and they reduced the price considerably. Not down to what it should have been, but to the point where it was cheaper to go ahead and let them do it rather than tow it 50 miles to Ft Worth. :)

My dealer at home (Parkway Dodge in Benton, KY) is relatively cheap as far as Sprinter dealers go. Might be because I know them, tho. My Sprinter tech also gave me a ton of hints and tricks on how to change filters, what to do and why for other things. He knows I'm on the road all the time and I'll have to do some of it myself. I've heard people complain once or twice about Crestwood Dodge in Garden City, MI (Detroit), but I've had to deal with them twice and I have found them to be reasonable and easy to deal with. Both times they went out of their way because I was out of state. (Dallas Dodge went out of their way to make me wait an extra day.)

I don't think the oil is yet available at AutoZone. As far as I know, the only place you're gonna get that oil is at Sprinter and Mercedes dealers. I'd check Mercedes dealers, and maybe stop off at different Sprinter dealers as you pass by them, and check on their oil prices if you buy it by the case or something. My transmission fluid, for example, is $20 a quart from my dealer. It's $15 a quart from a regular Dodge dealer (the Crossfire uses the same fluid), and it's like $10 or $12 mail order. I recently got 6 quarts for $6 a quart on eBay.

Do get your own oil, fuel and air filters, including the cabin air filter, and change them yourself. $41.85 includes a sweet dealer markup. You can get those for $19.50 from www.europarts.com. By 2 or 3 at a time. Change it yourself and save the $24 labor cost. $66 a pop for a dealer to do it, versus about $20 for you to do it.

Fuel filters at Europarts are $29.50, versus the ridiculous markup of $75 at that dealer, plus the $48 labor cost. $123 versus $30 and you can see why you'll want to learn how to change a fuel filter. It's real easy.

I just checked, and it turns out Europarts now carries your oil, too, and it's $7.63 a quart ($6.38 a quart (liter) when bought in 5 liter jugs). It's not Mobile brand, it's Total (large brand in Europe), but it's on the list, which is the main thing. It meets 229.51 specs.

You won't save a ton of money doing your own oil changes because dealers don't overcharge all that much for an oil change. But it's so easy to do you might as well.

But the other routing maintenance stuff, fuel, air and cabin air (HVAC) filters, you save a ton by not paying for the dealer markups and the dealer labor.

I'm not comfortable changing my own transmission fluid, but I'm very comfortable handing my Sprinter technician fluid that I got elsewhere. Just make sure that any fluid you get elsewhere are on the list. Always stick to the list.

My fuel filter, I changed the first one at 10,000, by the book, then started going longer between changes. I had it clog up on me when I had 30,000 miles on it, probably due to mom-n-pop diesel fuel I got someplace. Since then I've been changing it somewhere between 40,000 and 50,000 miles.

My air filter, I change that out pretty often. Regular air filters I'll go 30,000 miles or so, but normally I use the heavy duty filters and go about 50,000 miles. They could probably go at least twice that, but since they are easy to change, and relatively cheap, and since clean air is uber critical to a turbo diesel, I'd rather change it out a little too soon than a little too late.

I change my oil filter every 7000 miles or so, then add oil as needed to top it off. I'll get between 15,000 and 17,500 (once got 20,000) miles between oil changes. These fully synthetic oils are long interval oils, just keep the filter changed every 7000 miles or so and then add any oil that gets tossed with the filter change to make sure it's topped off. Even half a quart low can make a huge difference in how long that oil will last. In the summer I'll change the filter every 5000 miles or so, usually using 3 filters between oil changes.

About every 3rd oil change, 50,000 miles or so, change the cabin air filter. It's one filter that people ignore, but Mercedes is all about airflow in that cabin. The AC and heater fan always sucks in fresh air through that filter. It's gets dirty fast, and when it's dirty you might not notice much of a difference, not until the hottest part of the summer and it seems like the AC fan just isn't putting out what it should. Change the filter and the air will blow you back. Don't want until it gets to the point of being noticeable, though. as it gets dirty, clogged, it puts more stress on the fan blower motor, which means it'll fail sooner than it should. Change it every 40,000 to 60,000 miles. If you idle, change it on the low end of that.

You can almost certainly much longer than 10,000 miles between tire rotations, unless you see noticeable abnormal tread wear. The reason for rotating tires is to even out tread wear. If you don't see any abnormal tread wear, no need to rotate them that soon. The key is to rotate them consistently, be it 30,000, 50,000, whatever. I rotate mine every 30,000, and so far, haven't seen any difference in tread wear from front to back or side to side. All 4 tires are wearing evenly.

One thing that will also help with reduced uneven tread wear is putting nitrogen in those tires. It's cheap, quick and easy, and it'll more than pay for itself in reduced treadwear and increased fuel mileage.


Get ahold of the Sprinter Service Manual for your model Sprinter. I've got the manual for the 04 model, even though I have an 05 Sprinter, but there are very few differences. There's a huge difference between it and the 07/08 models, tho.

Check out sprintervan : Sprinter Van Mercedes Freightliner Dodge
and sign up there, read tons, especially the DIY section, as there are some good step-by-steps there. Not that many yet for the newer Sprinters, but it's just a matter of time. Lots of good technical information, headsup for potential problems, and a great place to ask questions.
 

ebsprintin

Veteran Expediter
Dallas Dodge

I won't even break down at Dallas Dodge now that I know how they operate. It's a shame, because I have family in the neighborhood and could use it as a service layover area. The final straw for me was when I had a reflector fall off the rear bumper near the end of my warranty period. I figured at least get a tech to order the part while in the warranty period and install it when out of service. It was a Friday morning. They said to leave the vehicle over the weekend and someone would look at the vehicle on Monday. I tried to explain that I was in-service, but they insisted that any job required that a qualified service technician had to look at it.

eb
 

Turtle

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Retired Expediter
Anyone find a trick to resetting the ASSYST counter on an 07 after doing a self service?

Everyone I've talked to said the trick is to take it by a Sprinter or Mercedes dealer and have them reset it. Haven't talked with anyone, yet, who has been charged to have it reset.
 

Turtle

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Retired Expediter
Re: Dallas Dodge

Yeah, I'm not a big fan of Dallas Dodge. Their labor rates should be illegal. Yeah, they're in a high-priced market, but sheesh. I finally got them down to warranty labor rates of $90 an hour, versus the $130 they wanted to charge. Most Sprinter dealers are in the $70-$90 range for labor. I checked, and shockingly Dallas Dodge's price for a transmission flush and renew, complete with the rear end, is actually right in line for what it should be ($450 of so). But everything else is criminal. They were going to charge me $75 for a serpentine belt. I handed them the $25 spare I had on hand. Always have a spare serpentine belt with you. They're not all that easy to find in out of the way places (where you're gonna break one), and often times they will cost 2 or 3 times what they should. They're a booger to change (but not too bad after you've done one or two of them), and nearly impossible to change if you don't have a long ratchet or breaker bar with either a 17mm 12 point socket OR a T-60 male torx bit (for 06's and earlier, for 07/08, I dunno), but any shop can change it if you have the spare on hand.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Turtle said.."I'm not comfortable changing my own transmission fluid, but I'm very comfortable handing my Sprinter technician fluid that I got elsewhere. Just make sure that any fluid you get elsewhere are on the list. Always stick to the list."

What are the specs for tranny fluid?
 

Turtle

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Retired Expediter
What are the specs for tranny fluid?

MB 236.10 or MB 236.12
Mopar# 05127382AB
Shell ATF 3403/M-115
Fuchs/SHell ATF 3353

On the Mopar bottle, which is all I've ever used, it says on the front label CROSSFIRE / SPRINTER

I've tried (you have no idea) to get the Shell and the Fuchs/Shell products, but the only place you're gonna get it is directly through a Shell distributor, and the Shell distributor at home didn't want to order it cause they have to order too much of it at a time, or something like that. Shell classifies it as a SLF, a Special Lubricant Fluid, and it's not distributed through normal retail channels.

Consider anything under $15 a quart a decent deal. If you buy a case from a Dodge dealer, they might cut you a deal. Europarts has it for $12.95, plus it works out to about $3 a quart for shipping (6 quarts is about $18 shipping). That's why anything under $15 a quart is a good deal.

Every now and then someone puts up 6 quarts and a new seal and transmission filter up for auction on eBay. It's the Mopar stuff. The seller is from Rock Hill, SC, I think. Close enough to Gaffney, anyway. :) Sometimes you can get it for total including shipping for a good deal.

Incidentally, I found out the 07/08 models use the same fluid.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
How much does this Shell distributor have to order? would it be possible for me you and Relent to go together as in group purchase???
 

Turtle

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Retired Expediter
I dunno. Probably. First time I asked he said the minimum was a case. That would be no problem. I can use a case. That's just 12 bottles. Then he checked again and said is was a 1-layer, 1-skid minimum, which is 12 cases. This is a small Shell distributor in western KY (although I checked in Nashville, Memphis, Evansville and St Louis and got pretty much the same thing). The per-case price, incidentally, was $9.50 a quart, but that was also back when Europarts had it online for $9.50 a quart, too. Europarts is now up to $12.95 a quart, and I'll bet the Shell distributor has gone up, too.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
I dunno. Probably. First time I asked he said the minimum was a case. That would be no problem. I can use a case. That's just 12 bottles. Then he checked again and said is was a 1-layer, 1-skid minimum, which is 12 cases. This is a small Shell distributor in western KY (although I checked in Nashville, Memphis, Evansville and St Louis and got pretty much the same thing). The per-case price, incidentally, was $9.50 a quart, but that was also back when Europarts had it online for $9.50 a quart, too. Europarts is now up to $12.95 a quart, and I'll bet the Shell distributor has gone up, too.


Yips...$1872.00 for 12 cases....think we should do more checking around...
 

dcalien

Seasoned Expediter
Thanks for all that technical info Turtle. It was so much it made my brain shut down. I know how to get back here since I started the thread, and I will keep reading it until I soak it all up.

I see where I can save a ton of money by getting my own supplies, and doing parts of my own service. And not even switching to Geico.

You make it sound like it is so easy even a cave man could do it.

And thanks to everyone else who has given me info here as well.

Now if I could just figure out how to get out of Charlotte, NC on someone else's money. ;)
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Thanks for all that technical info Turtle. It was so much it made my brain shut down. I know how to get back here since I started the thread, and I will keep reading it until I soak it all up.

I see where I can save a ton of money by getting my own supplies, and doing parts of my own service. And not even switching to Geico.

You make it sound like it is so easy even a cave man could do it.

And thanks to everyone else who has given me info here as well.

Now if I could just figure out how to get out of Charlotte, NC on someone else's money. ;)

Turtle has that effect on a few people....*L*
 

Turtle

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Retired Expediter
Turtle has that effect on Turtle, too. And your little dog, Toto, too. See what I mean? Just shut it down. Shut it down. Clamp. huh?
 

dcalien

Seasoned Expediter
Just to be sure we are clear here, I was not complaining about turtle, just thanking him, and pointing out that my capacity for thought is not what I wish it was. :)
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Just to be sure we are clear here, I was not complaining about turtle, just thanking him, and pointing out that my capacity for thought is not what I wish it was. :)

I seen that..I was just pokin fun at Turtle....cuzz he's our favouright guy...he's our hero and he help me vedi mush....*L*
 

expoditer67

Seasoned Expediter
find a mechanic you know in youre area a lot of tem know how to do the basic work on sprinters the dealerships rip you off they all do
 

FIS53

Veteran Expediter
Just an fyi for those sprinter drivers out there. Amsoil has oil for the sprinter meeting the new .51 spec (5w-40 euro synthetic).

I've been buying the fram oil filters and in canada no aftermarket fuel filters available. The dealers here have raised the oil filters to $26 and change from $20.12 since they come in the mopar box. The dealers here wanted $200 for an oil change and $400 for a tranny fluid change as the tranny fluid from the dealers here is $24.69/litre. So I was using the amsoil synthetic trans fluid (236.1 spec) and seems to work ok but it was still $12/bottle. Now I can get it cheaper so I'm saving more than retail on the amsoil stuff.

Dealers here are $95/hr on a sprinter and nearly all are the same price. A few will do a little discount but not all the time. SO it's hard to rely on a dealer here as most take two days to do anything. So as much aftermarket stuff as possible and fuel filters do last over 30,000 miles. Air filters well again the dealers seem to have raised prices as well.

Only good part is that some parts like front end and shocks etc are now available for the sprinters. So now repairs can be done for reasonable pricing. Defintiely find an outside mechanic as they are usually better pricing and a lot of things you can do yourself. Oil and filter changes, fuel filter changes, air filter as well can all be user done. Dealers want too much money.

NOw another small point is headlight bulbs if they're still the H7 type. The older sprinters seemed to burn them out pretty quick so buying lots of new ones but the victor H7-LL (long life) seem to last longest. Also a note for older sprinters in the headlight assembly under the h7 bulb was another small light bulb that was on. You really noticed it when the h7 burned out. Well both of those small lights on mine are burnt out and now the h7 seem to last longer. Possible heat problem??? The GE H7 bulbs do not last at all in my experience so avoid them if possible (also too expensive).
Rob
 

david63

Seasoned Expediter
Heey What Kind Of Mobil Ow-40 Oil Are You Using? Is It For Diesel Or Gas Engines? And Is It Synthetic Or Not. I Have A O5 Diesel Sprinter I Know Some Of These Newer Ones Have Gas Engines. Dave
 

Turtle

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Retired Expediter
Wow, every word starts with a capital letter. Not sure I could do that if I tried.

Anyway, how many different kinds of Mobile 1 0-W40 are there? Far as I know, there's just the one kind.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
I've used the Sylvania Night Hawk for 19.95 and then about 2 months ago they came out with the ULTRA Nighthawk....29.95 as of this writing I now have a GE H7 from Walmart for 9.95...that tell ya something? AND the inside of my lens are slightly browned....The intense heat will almost melt your lenses from them expensive ones that don't last any longer.

Did you know we also have an outside temp at the rear behind license plate???
 
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