Speaking of gun control

[scottm4211]

I was just trying to learn from you. I did not suggest that anything would void or not void your opinion. I was not trying to make it personal in the way you may think. I don't understand people's thinking if I don't know their background is all.

Sorry, did not mean to bother you, won't again

You're not bothering me lol I don't know why you think you are. Again this wasn't about you.

 

[Pilgrim]

The problem we face with the Obama administration is not repeal of the 2nd Amendment. It's the control he will exercise by executive orders and regulations. We've seen what he's doing through the EPA and the NLRB, and no doubt he and his liberal lackeys in congress will look for ways to subvert our 2nd amendment rights through similar back door means. Fortunately, most Americans will only dwell upon this tragedy for a limited time before the passage of time causes its memory to fade. Maybe at that point decisions about our 2nd amendment rights can be made objectively without the influence of raw emotions, and our elected representatives will stand against Obama's efforts to drown the 2nd amendment in unlawful regulations.

 

[cheri1122]

Get over it. I have no use for Marxists who are moving this nation towards dictatorship. It would do you well to study the EVIL that was the Soviet Union and learn HOW they did what they did. THEN you would under stand.

You have precisely as much knowledge regarding what I know of the Soviet Union and Marxism as what Obama thinks: zero.
The constant pretense that you 'know' things you don't [and can't] does zero for your credibility as an intelligent person, but the claim that Obama is praying for more school shootings was beneath even your low standards of acceptable discourse.
Defending it as you have is just adding fuel to the fire, by implying that I object only because I either don't recognize Marxism or don't object to it, and that it's my lack of knowledge re: the Soviet Union that's to blame.
Again: shame on you.

 

[cheri1122]

All of the font/color/size confusion aside, it is not an extreme stretch to think good old Chicago politicians and their kind can find a major silver lining in such an event. Should such another tragedy occur I'm sure they could find an equally large silver lining in it.

It's not an extreme stretch to think that any human being could find a silver lining in any tragedy - that's human nature, and one way normal people try to cope with the aftermath of horror.
But that's not even close to "Praying for more school shootings".
That comment transcends all bounds of truth and decency and should be abhorred and repudiated, not restated as something less objectionable.

 

[scottm4211]

So Cheri that's a "no"?

 

[layoutshooter]

Why is such a thing hard to believe? If GOOD exists, EVIL must. IF God exists, so does the Devil. There are GOOD people. There are EVIL people. Evil people revel in horror. They thrive on it. The idea that there is not evil just illness does not fly.

I suggest you read the Dooley books as well. They are hard to find, they have been out of print for years. I would let you read mine but it is in Germany at this time.

Spend a month studying the Soviet way, then get back to me on this.

People can, and do, pray to the Devil. Evil is real.

 

[cheri1122]

I know its YOUR belief since YOU posted it. I am simply asking for a poll to see how many OTHERS agree with it.

I'd do it, except for the number of goofballs who would just have fun with it....

 

[cheri1122]

Obama doesn't have to pray for more children to die in mass shootings because he knows full well another mass shooting will happen. Then, another. The problem for many people is the eagerness with which Obama seizes these emotional moments to further his left-wing agenda.

Asking for input from a variety of citizens and legislators is a weird way to further his own agenda, if you ask me.
Because a lot of that input isn't going to be what he wants to hear, [or what any of us want to hear, really], and the media will reduce it to sound bytes [as usual] and legislators will continue the partisan gridlock, and we'll be lucky if anything gets done at all. And something needs to be done, though gun control is just one part of the equation. Mental health is another, and security in public places is another, and most important: getting us to the place where the media is all about celebrating some amazing accomplishments [like the robotic prosthetic hand controlled by brainwaves!] rather than the horrendous ones.

I am not too terribly worried about Obama because he is an ineffectual leader. He cannot get any meaningful legislation through Congress.

When the Repubs are committed to opposing anything & everything he wants, automatically, is that ineffectual leadership, or partisan pigheadedness?

Our American Caesar is going to have a very frustrating second term.

He knew that going in.

 

[muttly]

"Never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before"

- Rahm Emanuel
Former Obama White House Chief of Staff

Exactly true. I don't think Obama prays for more children to be murdered, but he and his minions no doubt will use any and all opportunities that arise to further their agenda. They have so far use this tragedy to advance gun control, posture on the "fiscal cliff" talks and global warming.

 

[muttly]

The problem we face with the Obama administration is not repeal of the 2nd Amendment. It's the control he will exercise by executive orders and regulations. We've seen what he's doing through the EPA and the NLRB, and no doubt he and his liberal lackeys in congress will look for ways to subvert our 2nd amendment rights through similar back door means. Fortunately, most Americans will only dwell upon this tragedy for a limited time before the passage of time causes its memory to fade. Maybe at that point decisions about our 2nd amendment rights can be made objectively without the influence of raw emotions, and our elected representatives will stand against Obama's efforts to drown the 2nd amendment in unlawful regulations.

Yes,what Obama can't get passed with legislation, he will use Executive Actions ,Executive Orders, and regulation through agency dictates, to get around Congress and further his agenda. He has stated as much: When congress doesn't act, I will. It will be the worst power grab and abuse of power this country has ever seen in the next few years. It will be all about bypasses,subversions, and back doors.

 

[AMonger]

Interesting that the writer quickly touches on the real issue of why Japan is safer but then goes right back to blaming guns.

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Exactly. He or she hit the nail on the head about Japanese people being different, being compliant conformists, committing few violent crimes even without guns.
I remember reading a story about 2 or 3 teen girls over there who were lured to a hotel with the promise of some modeling job. Once there, they were kidnapped (apparently one of those rare crimes of violence). The kidnapper was waiting for a call from his accomplice, who was supposed to arrange the random demand and such. The girls cowered in the corner while he paced, growing more agitated. After several hours, the appointed time long gone, he killed himself in front of them.
And then it gets weird...
The girls had been told to kneel in the corner, and that's exactly what they did...for several more hours, even though their kidnapper was dead. No American girl would stay there like that.

American soldiers and marines on Okinawa are known for being rowdy and, unfortunately, molesting Japanese women. It happens far too frequently, and Okinawaans are properly outraged. The soldiers, when arrested, are turned over to American authorities for prosecution, per the lease agreement we have with them to have our bases there. This is a sore point with the Japanese, because their idea of jurisprudence is a but different than ours. They don't understand our (former?) concern over whether not the accused actually did it, but think the accused should just take his punishment, whether he deserves it or not, for the good of society. That's why America has always insisted on handling criminal offenses rather than turning accused soldiers over to them.

I was watching a clip from what I think is one of the ******* movies. One of the stars likes to dance around in a jockstrap. So he's in a department store in Japan, and he whips off a breakaway sweat suit and starts dancing in just the jockstrap. A Japanese cop sees him and moves in to intervene, but this guy ignores him and just keeps on dancing. Instead of wrestling this guy to the ground and taking him into custody, the Japanese cop blows his whistle for other cops. It was clear he was unable to do anything about it by himself. Even I don't want cops to be that impotent.

The Japanese merry have many fine traits, but the things I have listed above certainly isn't how Americans are or how we would want America to be. So the comparisons aren't just apples and oranges, but apples and salamanders.

Additionally, though the Japanese may not want to have firearms in their society, when Japanese execs come over here, and if they have a protective detail, they always ask their guard if they can see and handle his weapon. The bodyguard who wrote that said he handles it by telling them his gun is like a Samurai's sword, not to be flashed around without cause, and they understand. But he said every Japanese client he gets wants to handle his gun, or be taken to a shooting range.