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layoutshooter

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It seems that Turtle was concerned that my, apparently bad attempt at trying to lighten up a different thread, was a real threat to him. I can assure Turtle, and everyone else that it is NOT so. I hold no ill will against Turtle, or anyone else in here for that matter and wish no harm on Turtle or anyone.

I guess that my style of humor is not understood in here so I will try in the future to avoid as much of it as I can. I have no wish to be misunderstood.

Please accept this apology Mr. Turtle, I was in no way trying to make you uncomfortable or worried. I am sorry if I did.



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Dakota

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My family is full of Police Officers and have to say their kind of humor takes a while to get used to. They say they have to be careful about their humor among civilians.
Hopefully Turtle doesn't think we were picking on or threatening him. We all were trying to lighten up an absurd thread.
 

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My family is full of Police Officers and have to say their kind of humor takes a while to get used to. They say they have to be careful about their humor among civilians.
Hopefully Turtle doesn't think we were picking on or threatening him. We all were trying to lighten up an absurd thread.

It may be something like that. Much of my past life was only able to be tolerated with the use of "gallows humor" which I still use a lot to this day. Working with nukes, burning buildings and busted up people gets to you. The only way to stay sane is to joke about it. I really must remember that not everyone understands that sort of humor. It is hard to change the habits of a lifetime but I guess I must try. It is just far too often that my humor is misunderstood in here.
 

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My family is full of Police Officers and have to say their kind of humor takes a while to get used to. They say they have to be careful about their humor among civilians.
Hopefully Turtle doesn't think we were picking on or threatening him. We all were trying to lighten up an absurd thread.

The black humor to which you refer is something I'm quite familiar with, after working years on a Trauma Unit in a major big city hospital, and LOS' post wasn't even remotely funny. [Nor was it threatening, IMO, but it didn't refer to me, so I didn't comment.]
Absurd? Absolutely - when one or two members begin targeting others with ludicrous comments, referring to a 'Turtle cult' and a 'Turtle fan club' [which was solely intended as sarcasm, I'm sure], and the moderators do nothing to stop it, and the members keep their mouths shut too, that's what I call pathetic.
Aristotle and Pilgrim have gone way over the line in personal attacks, apparently with impunity, and that is what needs an apology.:mad:
 

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I guess it helps if you live around where I do to see what I meant as humor. Turtle soup, as well as muskrat in many forms are often on the menu at local pubs and finer eating places. Far more so in the past as the area as become "cityfied" (ruined) and more people seem to prefer greasy hamburgers to real food.
 

greg334

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Cheri,
Maybe this is the forth or fifth thread in the last 11 days that has something to do with the same like issue?

For some reason I asked a very important question and it was ignored - has the op provided any content beyond the turtle stuff and some posts in the political arena?

Doesn't anyone get what I am asking?
 

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This thread was an apology to Turtle. It was an honest attempt to say am I sorry for what I see as a misunderstanding. The other thread is not important to that end.
 

greg334

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Well Layout, a lot of threads are started with one or two intents but they evolve into other things.

I think if there was a need for an apology, it isn't you who needs to be making one but someone else who I will not mention.

I don't think Turtle felt offended but that's not saying it isn't possible, I don't know the guy to make that judgment call. I knew what you were talking about right from the start and don't like turtle soup or grilled muskrat.

The real issue was that everyone had a hand into it and ignored the obvious.
 

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Well Layout, a lot of threads are started with one or two intents but they evolve into other things.

I think if there was a need for an apology, it isn't you who needs to be making one but someone else who I will not mention.

I don't think Turtle felt offended but that's not saying it isn't possible, I don't know the guy to make that judgment call. I knew what you were talking about right from the start and don't like turtle soup or grilled muskrat.

The real issue was that everyone had a hand into it and ignored the obvious.

I was informed by a 100% reliable source that not only was Turtle offended but took it as a serious threat.

I felt that an apology was in order, it was the right thing to do, I did it in public, that is all I can do.

I don't like grilled "rats" either, the stew ain't half bad if the cook knows what he is doing.
 

greg334

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Well if he was or felt threaten, then it is a matter for four people - Lawrence, Dale, Ken and you. Keeping it between that little group can get it resolved a lot faster and with a lot less residue crap.

Your intentions are good ones, but I suggest you go through and read what has been said in these three turtle threads to understand what I mean by residue crap.
 

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My only intent when I made that "non-joke" was to at least attempt to lighten up that really stupid thread. I was hoping to not have to resort to the "lock" method, it seems like high school stuff when resorting to that. In the end that is what I did. That thread had NO valid reason to exist. There is NO need for that sort of thing in here. I was just hoping to "laugh" it out rather than force it out.
 

greg334

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That thread had NO valid reason to exist. There is NO need for that sort of thing in here.

I understand what your intent was but these two things I have quoted says a lot.

TO me it got out of hand when the OP started it. The first thread on the subject was a problem, the second one showed me what was going to happen and how it was a bigger problem.
 

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I understand what your intent was but these two things I have quoted says a lot.

TO me it got out of hand when the OP started it. The first thread on the subject was a problem, the second one showed me what was going to happen and how it was a bigger problem.


It is a very fine line between censorship and culling threads that should really NOT exist. If I locked every thread that I thought did not belong this site would be out of business. I try NOT to inject my beliefs into what I might have to do as a mod. That is not right.

By the way, Lawrence is down in my neck of the woods this weekend. He should try to get by the Monroe Bar and Grill in Monroe or Trapperz down in La Salle, or both while he is there. Both places are FAR better than anything at that exit he is at.
 

RLENT

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For some reason I asked a very important question and it was ignored - has the op provided any content beyond the turtle stuff and some posts in the political arena?

Doesn't anyone get what I am asking?
Greg,

I get it - the issue you are raising is the question of the identity of the OP.

It's a valid issue to raise - as there have apparently been at least a couple of people who, over periods of time, have posted multiple screen names .... perhaps many more .... I don't really know because it's far above my pay grade .....

Personally, I'm alot less concerned about WHO is saying something, than I am about WHAT is actually being said.

The problem with raising the issue however, is that it invites all sorts of speculation - and even worse: accusations ..... as to who the actual identity is .....

The difficulty is that unless one is the owner or administrator of this website .... or maybe a hacker .... it's something that can't really be proven, one way or another.

So if the purpose of raising the issue is just to alert others that there may be what amounts to a troll amongst us, that's all fine and well.

However if the purpose is, to indirectly intimate, in some sort of a sly, covert manner, that: "the real identity of X is __________" ...... well then, ya better have some reasonable basis and evidence to back up your accusations.

Personally, my own take on the matter is that, acting in such a manner - using multiple identities and/as sockpuppets - does absolutely nothing to make this - or any other forum on the internet for that matter - a better place for the users or a more desirable place to visit. I view it as being inherently dishonest and think it cheapens any possible discourse.

There's nothing wrong with using pseudonyms (screen names) - given the liabilities of too much public disclosure of private info (identity theft, crime, etc.) - however only one pseudonym is required to guard against that.

As someone who has been accused (falsely) - both publicly and privately (yeah, word gets around) - of having multiple screen names, I can tell you there is no joy in being the target of a whispering campaign - particularly when the accusations are false.

Whatever I, as an individual have to say, will be said using my my screen identity "rlent". Personally, when I've got something to say and decide to speak out, I actually want people to know that I have said it - that's the whole point of even bothering to communicate in the first place.

And contrary to the pseudo-macho speculation of some, anything that I have said to anyone on EO, I would be quite willing and happy to repeat - whilst looking directly into their beady whites.

And if you (meaning anyone) personally have some doubt about the above statement, drop me a PM and I'll give ya my cell number and we can meet.

It would not be all that difficult, if one has been at all paying attention to what various people say in the forums (and particularly the Soapbox) to recognize who the particular individuals are who are seemly fixated on WHO the actual identities are of certain handles which appear to be possible "multiple screen names" ..... because they have speculated about it in public, repeatedly.

Speculating and offering up that "X" might be "Y" is not quite the same thing as just raising the issue of the possibility that some new screen name "X", who has been here a short time is padding their post count with inane stuff just to try and "blend in" so that they can push their particular agenda, whatever that might be .... I offer the differentiation above to make it clear that I am not referring to Greg when I talk about certain folks who are fixated on the matter of "WHO is X ?"

Food for thought.
 
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cheri1122

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My only intent when I made that "non-joke" was to at least attempt to lighten up that really stupid thread.

Perhaps your intent should have been [as a moderator] to point out comments and insinuations that are clearly out of line. Because making a joke of it can create the impression that you find it amusing. It isn't.
Would you be 'joking' if it were YOU that were targeted, as Aristotle & Pilgrim have targeted Turtle, RELENT, Witness, and myself?
I was hoping to not have to resort to the "lock" method, it seems like high school stuff when resorting to that. In the end that is what I did. That thread had NO valid reason to exist. There is NO need for that sort of thing in here. I was just hoping to "laugh" it out rather than force it out.
With all due respect, sometimes, you just have to speak plainly, and say "This is NOT acceptable". That no one did so is why it kept recurring, as Greg pointed out.
The OP appeared at the same time as Aristotle's campaign against "the Turtle Cult", and had the same agenda - why did none of the moderators intervene before it got ridiculous?
And how can hundreds of members keep their mouths shut, when such personal attacks occur?:(
 

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With all due respect, sometimes, you just have to speak plainly, and say "This is NOT acceptable". That no one did so is why it kept recurring, as Greg pointed out.
The OP appeared at the same time as Aristotle's campaign against "the Turtle Cult", and had the same agenda - why did none of the moderators intervene before it got ridiculous?
And how can hundreds of members keep their mouths shut, when such personal attacks occur?:(

Cherri, I am tired and have to go to sleep now. I really don't feel like going into the rest of this tonight. I will at another time.

My SOLE purpose of this thread was to apologize to Ken, for an unintended problem. I would like to keep it at that. Thanks.
 
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