Some have said they wouldn't buy a GM Product

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
I have said the same thing, and i have said I wouldn't buy a chysler/fiat as others have....i even said that only left Ford...

Well if you made those statements because GM and Chysler took bailout money and not just the fact that GM is no owned by the Gov and the UAW and the UAW has a big ownership stake in Chysler....then you have to re-think buying a FORD...

I missed this in the news when it happened and came across it today..i don't remember seeing it here, but maybe i did, i am getting old...so here it is, Ford took BAILOUT money! Now they got it from the Energy Dept. as a loan and not the TARP funds, it doesn't look like a stock swap, but they do have deferred payments and a below market interest rate...Not the same as GM or Chysler, but how does this sit with you...i am not sure yet...

Ford borrows $5.9 billion from government

Tuesday, June 23, 2009
Ford Gets $5.9 Billion Government Loan - Auto - FOXNews.com


DEARBORN, Mich. — The Energy Department said Tuesday it would lend $5.9 billion to Ford Motor Co. and provide about $2.1 billion in loans to Nissan Motor Co. and Tesla Motors Inc., making the three automakers the first beneficiaries of a $25 billion fund to develop fuel-efficient vehicles.

Energy Secretary Steven Chu announced the loan recipients at Ford's Research and Innovation Center in Dearborn. The loans to Ford will help the company upgrade factories in five Midwest states to produce 13 fuel-efficient vehicles.

Nissan was receiving $1.6 billion to retool its plant in Smyrna, Tenn., to build advanced vehicles and build a battery manufacturing facility. Tesla would get $465 million in loans to build electric vehicles and electric drive powertrains in California.

The loans were designed to help auto manufacturers meet new fuel-efficiency standards of at least 35 mpg by 2020, a 40 percent increase over current standards.

"These loans will help the auto industry meet and even exceed the president's tough fuel standards," Chu said. "This is part of President Obama's commitment to a new energy strategy for America. ... This means the most fuel-efficient cars in the world must be made right here in America."

Dozens of auto companies, suppliers and battery makers have sought a total of $38 billion from the loan program, which was created last year to provide low-interest loans to car companies and suppliers retool their facilities to develop green vehicles and components such as advanced batteries.

Ford had been seeking about $5 billion in loans by 2011 and a total of $11 billion from the program to invest $14 billion in advanced technologies over the next seven years. The company said it will transform plants in Illinois, Kentucky, Michigan, Missouri, and Ohio.

Ford CEO Alan Mulally said in an interview with The Associated Press that the department approved the company's entire proposal through 2011 and it would help Ford meet the new fuel efficiency standards.

"This is a tremendous development," Mulally said.

He said the loans would help Ford further its strategy to build a wide range of fuel-efficient cars.

"We want to be in every market segment in the U.S.," Mulally said. "Every year forever we want to continue to improve fuel efficiency."

Ford expects to begin repaying the loans in 2012, with an interest rate based on the current U.S. Treasury rate hovering between 3 and 4 percent, said Ford spokesman Mike Moran.

"If it were at market rates it would be in the double digits," he said. "That's a huge thing for us."

Ford can draw from the loan for work done to retool its plants going back to late last year, Moran said. The plants must build cars that improve fuel efficiency by 25 percent.

General Motors Corp. and Chrysler Group LLC have received billions of dollars in federal loans to restructure their companies through government-led filings for bankruptcy protection, but Ford avoided seeking emergency aid by mortgaging all of its assets in 2006 to borrow about $25 billion.

Mulally said the loans Ford would receive from the Energy Department were part of a government-industry partnership and "had nothing to do with the emergency loans to keep General Motors and Chrysler in business."

Ford has said it intends to bring several battery-electric vehicles to market. The automaker has discussed plans to produce a battery-electric vehicle van in 2010 for commercial use, a small battery-electric sedan developed with Magna International by 2011 and a plug-in hybrid vehicle by 2012.

General Motors has requested $10.3 billion in loans from the energy program, while Chrysler has asked for $6 billion in loans. Energy officials have said the loans could only go to "financially viable" companies, preventing GM and Chrysler to qualify for the first round of the loans.

Elizabeth Lowery, GM's vice president of environment, energy and safety policy, said GM still must pass the Energy Department's financial viability test before it can receive loan funding and the company hoped to get the money shortly after it emerges from Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.

Chu said the Energy Department has started discussing details of the loans with Chrysler and has begun reviewing the "technical side" of the loan requirements with GM.

Nissan said the $1.6 billion loan would be used to modify its Smyrna, Tenn., plant to produce zero-emissions vehicles and lithium-ion battery packs to power them. The Japanese company has previously outlined plans to develop an all-electric car with 100 miles of pure battery range for release in late 2010.

"This loan is an investment in America. It will help us put high-quality, affordable zero-emissions vehicles on our roads," said Dominique Thormann, Nissan North America's senior vice president for administration and finance.

Tesla, based in San Carlos, Calif., will use $365 million for production engineering and the assembly of the Model S sedan, an all-electric vehicle that is expected to travel up to 300 miles per charge and go on sale in 2011. It will use $100 million for a powertrain manufacturing plant expected to employ 650 workers.

Tesla CEO Elon Musk said the automaker would use the loan "precisely the way that Congress intended — as the capital needed to build sustainable transport."

So do you say to H*ll with it and buy whatever you like and forget who built it with government funds/ Do you buy used from now on? Imports? :confused:
 

Scuba

Veteran Expediter
What Ford did is nothing more than getting a R&D loan if you ask me it wasn't money to keep the company open it was money to do the R&D for the type of cars that are mandated by the gov.
 

witness23

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The loans were designed to help auto manufacturers meet new fuel-efficiency standards of at least 35 mpg by 2020, a 40 percent increase over current standards.

Not only were these low interest loans but they were loans to companies that had to use them here in the States. If anything it's helping keep jobs here and even creating new jobs. How are you able to compare the TARP funds with these low interest loans? You are something else Chef, you see conspiracy around every corner. I think the aluminum foil on your head is really effecting your brain in a negative way. With your flooding the site with your cut and paste articles without adding any intelligent commentary is getting tiresome. The only responses you get are ones that poke holes in your statements. I'm serious man, find yourself another hobby and one that you are good at. Get a life.
 

greg334

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Here is some intelligent commentary.....

These loans were setup and congress passed them long before any possible need for GM and Chrysler (or should I say spaghetti motors) needed help. These loans come with some hefty strings attached to them and only are part of a bigger issue of asking ourselves why in the h*ll are we lending anyone money to produce a product anyway. The market has responded without government intervention before and will again.

But with that said, If I was running ford, beside putting a lot of money in aggressive advertising telling the consumer that GM and spaghetti motors don't care about you because they closed their dealers, I would be taking every opportunity to get every dime out of the government for any 'greening' program I have in the pipeline.

This is no joke but speaking about aggressive advertising, a lot of people at Gm and spaghetti motors are now b*tching to Obama about losing the market share to ford. Seeing that the government owns part of GM, GM execs want the government to step in and stop ford and these liaisons for GM are seriously trying to find a way to get Ford to lose market share.
 

aristotle

Veteran Expediter
Is GM now a car company or a quasi-agency of the federal government?

Socialism at its finest. Chevy can drop the bowtie emblem and use the Russkies' "hammer and sickle" as the new hood ornament.

GM, too big to fail? NO. It was union labor that predictably failed.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
This is really fascism, the government is not the sole owner of the business, they own part of it. When they own all of it, and it is 'state' run, you can call it socialism.

The really really sad thing is the union, which has zero investment into the company by any angle you look at it, is walking away with most of the money and we the tax payers are screwed again.
 

Poorboy

Expert Expediter
Good Post Chef, Keep them Coming! You seem to Find The Good Information No Matter what the Aluminum Foil Does Lol :D Besides, I Thought you removed the Foil and now Have your Hat on too Tight Lol :D And NO I Wasn't Slamming You, I was Simply Making Fun of the "Other" Post! :) Either Way--Keep Them Coming....
 

witness23

Veteran Expediter
Good Post Chef, Keep them Coming! You seem to Find The Good Information No Matter what the Aluminum Foil Does Lol :D Besides, I Thought you removed the Foil and now Have your Hat on too Tight Lol :D And NO I Wasn't Slamming You, I was Simply Making Fun of the "Other" Post! :) Either Way--Keep Them Coming....

Phew....for a second there I really thought you were "slamming" chef, I'm glad you clearified that.
 

Steady Eddie

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
I'm done with GM. I have owned nothing but all my life. I have two now and when I replace them, it will be something other than GM. Sooner or later they will make only one car model and everyone will have to drive that one only...oh wait that has already been done somewhere hasn't it?
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
poorboy did not make a post before #8 and he is referring to post #4 blueblooddog....same person?

he said he wasn't slamming chef but he hadn't said a word unless blueblooddog was speaking for him....
split personality....always had a suspicion the right was paranoid...*LOL*
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Sooner or later they will make only one car model and everyone will have to drive that one only

Yep that was done and it was by all accounts very very successful. If it wasn't for Willys, Durant and Sloan, the yearly model thing would not have happened and we would have been better off.
 

Poorboy

Expert Expediter
poorboy did not make a post before #8 and he is referring to post #4 blueblooddog....same person?

he said he wasn't slamming chef but he hadn't said a word unless blueblooddog was speaking for him....
split personality....always had a suspicion the right was paranoid...*LOL*

That's Right, I Wasn't Slamming Chef one Bit! And I sure don't need no Bluedog Speaking For me Either!! :D
 

Poorboy

Expert Expediter
poorboy did not make a post before #8 and he is referring to post #4 blueblooddog....same person?

he said he wasn't slamming chef but he hadn't said a word unless blueblooddog was speaking for him....
split personality....always had a suspicion the right was paranoid...*LOL*

Actually, I was Referring to Post#-3 :D And NO, I don't Have a Second Account Either I Don't See Any Need to Hide Behind Any Second Account Like Some Others Do, when I Pretty Much Say what I Feel!!, I Believe that Lawrence Can Find That to be Correct!!
 
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OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Actually, I was Referring to Post#-3 :D And NO, I don't Have a Second Account Either I Don't See Any Need to Hide Behind Any Second Account Like Some Others Do, when I Pretty Much Say what I Feel!!, I Believe that Lawrence Can Find That to be Correct!!

don't mind me....state of usual confusion here...:D:rolleyes:
 

blueblooddog

Seasoned Expediter
Actually, I was Referring to Post#-3 :D And NO, I don't Have a Second Account Either I Don't See Any Need to Hide Behind Any Second Account Like Some Others Do, when I Pretty Much Say what I Feel!!, I Believe that Lawrence Can Find That to be Correct!!

You mean people have second accounts? I believe that's something a lib would do.;)
 

Poorboy

Expert Expediter
You mean people have second accounts? I believe that's something a lib would do.;)

Or, It could be one of them Koolaid Drinkers Finally seeing Everything Obumma is Doing and Has Now Crossed Over and Can't stand the Embarassment of anyone Knowing who He/She Is ! :D
 
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