So you have a gun in your truck?

[greg334]

IF ... all of those usually placid citizens were armed - Goodness only knows what carnage there would have been.

Sue, I think this is one reason why we don't have riots in Detroit, we have a bunch of armed citizens who will not put up with rioting unless they are part of it. IT is amazing that as liberal and as dangerous this city is, we have demonstrations/protests that don't turn violent even through everyone is armed.

The same would hold true in London and Birmingham, the rioters would know not to take a chance because they would be outnumbered.

 

[EnglishLady]

Sue, I think this is one reason why we don't have riots in Detroit, we have a bunch of armed citizens who will not put up with rioting unless they are part of it. IT is amazing that as liberal and as dangerous this city is, we have demonstrations/protests that don't turn violent even through everyone is armed.

The same would hold true in London and Birmingham, the rioters would know not to take a chance because they would be outnumbered.

I must confess that I have often thought that nowadays our police should be armed at all times .... 2 policemen were stabbed in Birmingham over night - thank goodness not life threatening.
As for citizens being armed, I still cannot bring myself to agree on that one.

 

[Steady Eddie]

Officer: "do you have a gun in your Van?"

Me: "not as far as you know"

Officer: "Have a good night"

Me: "thanks, you do the same"


Point is- I have a permit to carry and if I do get pulled over, the Officer knows this when he runs my plate and again when he runs my lic.... I have been pulled over 3 times, twice in my van for DOT inspection and concern if I was lost. One time on Skyline drive in my Yukon for a daylight running light that was blown. Non of the times did they ask if I had a gun. I guess they thought I did since I had a permitt that is current.

So "as far as you know" I do have a gun in my van.......or do I?

Oh, and knowing that the Officer knows, my movements are very slow, light on inside if dark, hands on the wheel, seatbelt on. Never say, "I have a gun" let them ask first.

He will want to know where it is, if it is loaded. A friend of mine did get ask once...He was in Miss.,

Office: "Do you have a gun"

Paul:" Yes I do"

Officer:" Where is it?"

Paul:" It's on the seat next to me, but, it ain't loaded."

Office: " It is N O T loaded? Why? You have a current permitt, I want you to load it as soon as you can. It will do you no good if you need it and it's unloaded. The punks will not wait for you to load it. If you feel you need to keep it unloaded, I think you should go back to Gun Safety Class, or you should rethink your right to carry."

As soon as the officer left he loaded his gun.

 

[AMonger]

IF ... all of those usually placid citizens were armed - Goodness only knows what carnage there would have been.

That's what American left-tards said would happen in this country when states started issuing concealed carry permits (auto correct almost changed permits to penis; I didn't let it). But it doesn't happen that way. Violent crime had plummeted since concealed carry spread among the states, and most dramatically in those municipalities in which gun ownership was made mandatory.

I know your instincts are telling you it would be a bloodbath, but that just isn't so.

 

[AMonger]

We have been free since 1865.

I'm guessing you meant we HAVEN'T been free since 1865. See the book on Lincoln titled, _Freeing the Slaves, Enslaving Free Men_. That was how and when our chains were forged, and by whom.

 

[LDB]

I must confess that I have often thought that nowadays our police should be armed at all times .... 2 policemen were stabbed in Birmingham over night - thank goodness not life threatening.
As for citizens being armed, I still cannot bring myself to agree on that one.

I can't imagine anyone being a police officer and prohibited from being armed. Why would anyone take such a job with that much unneeded risk? As far as citizens being armed, there are many citizens I'd rather have armed and nearby than police. Armed citizens have a better safety record than police. Many armed citizens practice far more than police and will outshoot them 99 times out of 100.

 

[chefdennis]

Unarmed LRO's are nothing more then useless..and even Armed LEO's are "only minutes away" when a crime is being committed against someone as it is being reported....

 

[EnglishLady]

Unarmed LRO's are nothing more then useless..and even Armed LEO's are "only minutes away" when a crime is being committed against someone as it is being reported....

I can assure you Dennis that the British Police Force is far from useless !!

Did I mention that I am a very proud mum of a Policeman

 

[scottm4211]

I can assure you Dennis that the British Police Force is far from useless !!

Did I mention that I am a very proud mum of a Policeman

MI5, James Bond. All very cool!

 

[AMonger]

I can't imagine anyone being a police officer and prohibited from being armed. Why would anyone take such a job with that much unneeded risk? As far as citizens being armed, there are many citizens I'd rather have armed and nearby than police. Armed citizens have a better safety record than police. Many armed citizens practice far more than police and will outshoot them 99 times out of 100.

You should hear some of the stories of cops being stupid with or about guns, like that Pittsburgh cop who shot himself while giving a gun safety talk at a school.

Among recreational and competitive shooters, it's unusual to not be able to out-shoot the police; did that on my first lesson, according to the instructor.

During the debate about Florida liberalizing CCW permit criteria years ago, a crime wave was predicted if it passed (fear mongering by hopolophobes). It was said permittees would be robbing liquor stores and such. Years later, a study was done, and it was found that permit holders have a lower rate of criminality than the police themselves.

Another myth debunked.

 

[paullud]

I must confess that I have often thought that nowadays our police should be armed at all times .... 2 policemen were stabbed in Birmingham over night - thank goodness not life threatening.
As for citizens being armed, I still cannot bring myself to agree on that one.

What is wrong with a citizen having a gun?

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[Camper]

If you outlaw guns, only the outlaws will have them.

Criminals aren't going to submit to background checks or any of the other hoops law abiding citizens must jump through to get a CCW permit.

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[ts675]

If you outlaw guns, only the outlaws will have them.

Criminals aren't going to submit to background checks or any of the other hoops law abiding citizens must jump through to get a CCW permit.

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That was my point

 

[greg334]

I'm guessing you meant we HAVEN'T been free since 1865. See the book on Lincoln titled, _Freeing the Slaves, Enslaving Free Men_. That was how and when our chains were forged, and by whom.

OK a rare typo, God, I can't be perfect - I meant haven't.

 

[skyraider]

I can assure you Dennis that the British Police Force is far from useless !!

Did I mention that I am a very proud mum of a Policeman

Hey, what does ur son think of all the destruction in London? If I was a London resident, I would not let bums burn dont our country, remember, u folks beat back the Germans, u are a tough people and u should be armed at all times IMHO.

 

[EnglishLady]

Hey, what does ur son think of all the destruction in London? If I was a London resident, I would not let bums burn dont our country, remember, u folks beat back the Germans, u are a tough people and u should be armed at all times IMHO.

He said it in language that he was not taught at home, so I will translate to what I did teach him ...... they are mindless idiots.

Sadly 4 men did die defending their property - 3 of which were defending their temple.

There is no rhyme or reason to why ppl want to "join in events" like this.

I just hope Mr Cameron comes through with his strong words of "we will find you and you will be punished to the fullest extent of the law no matter what age you are" (referring to the minors that joined in)

Personally in the cases of the minors I would like to see, not only the children punished, but their parents fined - so next time they WILL know where there children are.

As for the "adults" a form of boot camp prison - 2-3years minimum would do them a world of good.
No pay just food and bed.


As for arming ourselves ..... what more can I say .... its just not our way...... its not our culture.

 

[skyraider]

He said it in language that he was not taught at home, so I will translate to what I did teach him ...... they are mindless idiots.

Sadly 4 men did die defending their property - 3 of which were defending their temple.

There is no rhyme or reason to why ppl want to "join in events" like this.

I just hope Mr Cameron comes through with his strong words of "we will find you at you will be punished to the fullest extent of the law no matter what age you are" (referring to the minors that joined in)

Personally in the cases of the minors I would like to see, not only the children punished, but their parents fined - so next time they WILL know where there children are.

As for the "adults" a form of boot camp prison - 2-3years minimum would do them a world of good.
No pay just food and bed.


As for arming ourselves ..... what more can I say .... its just not our way...... its not our culture.

IMHO,,u are a super MUM. amen

 

[chefdennis]

English Lady wrote:

I can assure you Dennis that the British Police Force is far from useless !!

Did I mention that I am a very proud mum of a Policeman

Sue I didn't say that the British LEO's were useless...as i am sure you can attest that when the threat of violence occurs, they are noit "unarmed"...the problem with that mentality is that no one knows when that need will arise...but the fact is that the differences in our cultures has showes that for the most part an armed public is a polite public...but when you have the right to defend yourself even with a firearm, that means everyone, including some that shouldn't be armed will be, and that is where the problem arises...so to not onfringe on the right of the populace as a whole we have to deal with those that will use a fight arm , not to defend but as an offensive weapon....and thats when our armed LEO's "suppose" to be the protection for the public....but as i also said, when a LEO is needed, they are only a phone call and minutes away....and if the person in need is involved with an armed intruder, that call and minutes can be mean the difference between living and dying...thats why we feel the right to be armed...to beable to defend ourselves .... a gun is noting more then a tool....

As for you being the mom of a LEO, I missed that post and no disrepect was meant towards your son in my post...although I'd rather he be armed at all times and not only when the powers that be think he needs to be....it could save his life one day...

 

[AMonger]

As for arming ourselves ..... what more can I say .... its just not our way...... its not our culture.

That's why the US had to air drop you rifles, pistols, and ammunition before WWII; even back then, you had disarmed to a large degree. I would have thought the UK would have learned then.

 

[EnglishLady]

That's why the US had to air drop you rifles, pistols, and ammunition before WWII; even back then, you had disarmed to a large degree. I would have thought the UK would have learned then.

Oh wow

I hardly think a world war and everyday life are the same thing ...bit of a stretch there don't you think