So you have a gun in your truck?

JimmyB

Seasoned Expediter
The issuing state is Illinois, and there is only one permit...I am a retired police officer and am authorized under federal law to carry a concealed weapon, I'm just not sure if I can have one in my truck


Ok, I feel compelled to reply to this post. I do not currently drive any of our trucks, but here are some of the facts.

Your carrier is the only authority that prohibits you from carrying a firearm for protection in your truck. There are NO DOT or other Federal regulations to prohibit this. Actually there is a Federal Law to Protect you! It is called Peaceable Journey (Google It)

Now what that said, if you have your CHL (Concealed Handgun License) you can travel with said firearm loaded in your vehicle and any other state which honors your CHL. Before entering a state which does NOT honor your CHL you must follow the laws of that state, which are usually along the lines of Handgun must be Unloaded and secured in a closed container separate from the ammunition. This goes for the magazine also in some states.

If you are concerned about those states which do not honor your CHL you CAN hold CHL's in multiple states. I currently hold a CHL in Ohio and Pennsylvania and I am going next month to get my Utah. What this accomplishes is I will have 90% of the country covered. My CHL's will not be good in the New England States, Illinois, California, or Oregon. But I am covered by the rest of them.

As far as this Fedex driver who was arrested in New York... the entire story is obviously not reported. If that driver had his firearm loaded while in New York without the appropriate CHL then he was indeed illegal. If the firearm was secured properly according to state law... then he has one hell of a law suite.

Other considerations - I did say above that the carrier was your only authority prohibiting carry, but I failed to mention shippers and consignee's. Their grounds may be posted. If you enter a shipper or consignee with your firearm and you are found out... your guilty of criminal trespass at most (in the state of Ohio)

People can beat this dead horse all they want. But the facts are it is NOT illegal go carry a firearm in your vehicle if done so correctly. Just because your carrier says No Guns does not make it Illegal or Criminal in any way. Just means that if you are found out they can and probably will disqualify your vehicle from their fleet.

Now onto my personal opinion...... Carriers and Employers who infringe on their staffs ability to protect themselves is absurd! In the state of Ohio at least, Employers are protected against the actions of their employee's who use a firearm in self defense while in or on their property. There is little reason for an employer to deny an employee who has at the bare minimum a CHL from carrying their firearm while on duty.

No a firearm does not guarantee your safety, but just as the old saying goes, Colt made us all equal. The only thing to improve your survivability in a firearm situation is through proper training. Train a lot, train hard, stay alive.

For any Ohio folks here (I hope I'm not breaking any TOS) but for more information please visit the forums at OhioCCW.org

For anyone who wants to know all relevant laws of any state in which they live or may pass through please visit Handgunlaw.us

Your best defense is knowledge! Know the laws, carry a voice recorder, stay safe!
 

purgoose10

Veteran Expediter
I'm confused.....there are about 20 or so states that do not honor New Hampshire permits. South Carolina is about the same, and a lot of them are the same states. The "almost everywhere" part is what confuses me.

Also, be very careful getting concealed carry info from anywhere other than the states websites. Sometimes the laws change almost daily and telling a law enforcement officer that xyz.com said it was ok will not fly.

Yes you are right but in the states I'm not covered in it's a catch 22. :eek: But officer I forgot all about that thing. :rolleyes:
 

JimmyB

Seasoned Expediter
On another note as posted by layoutshooter, Cops can not always and probably never will be around to protect you. They investigate the crime once it has happened then make arrests. Worse case scenario your already dead.

When they make portable cops you can carry around maybe their will not be a need for firearms for protection (hint of sarcasm)

And on another note, I also find it sad that a company can tell you the contractor what you can and can NOT have in YOUR truck!!
 

TeamCaffee

Administrator
Staff member
Owner/Operator
Do you know of any carrier that has a policy allowing guns in a truck? Especially the carriers who have freight in Canada?
 

JimmyB

Seasoned Expediter
Do you know of any carrier that has a policy allowing guns in a truck? Especially the carriers who have freight in Canada?

Unfortunately no. I do not know of any "Carrier" who has a policy to allow guns. I doubt any carrier would ever have a policy that says it's OK to carry a gun. But a simple omission of the No Guns policy would suffice. Or perhaps a policy that says one must follow local, state and federal laws regarding firearms.

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As for the Canada issue, I am not as clear on the laws regarding crossing the border, but I believe you can not cross with any firearms. If you are someone who travels across the border frequently then your options are very much limited. If I was still a full time driver that would be my choice not to cross the border.
 
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skyraider

Veteran Expediter
US Navy
Side bar trip:: This from the NRA## Studies indicate that firearms are used more than 2 million times a year for personal protection, and that the presence of a firearm, with out a SHOT BEING FIRED,PREVENTS CRIME in many instances. Shooting usually can be justified only where crime constitutes an immediate, imminent threat to life, limb,or, in some cases, property. Note::Visit " The Armed Citizen Blog" at American Rifleman - An Official Journal of the NRA u can learn alot there, IMHO:)
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Yes, you can cross into Canada with firearms. Hunters do it all the time. There are forms, tests to take and fees to pay. NO handguns can be taken into Canada. They ARE working on changing this since they are losing a ton of money from US hunters that hunt with hand guns.
 
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ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
Do you know of any carrier that has a policy allowing guns in a truck? Especially the carriers who have freight in Canada?

I know of one (see this). There are probably many others. I'm thinking of the smaller carriers whose owners happen to be gun owners too and believe in the right to keep and bear arms. That does not give a driver or owner-operator a free pass, as JimmyB explains is his great post on this subject.
 
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JimmyB

Seasoned Expediter
I know of one (see this). There are probably many others. I'm thinking of the smaller carriers whose owners happen to be gun owners too and believe in the right to keep and bear arms. That does not give a driver or owner-operator a free pass, as JimmyB explains is his great post on this subject.


Thank you for the endorsement on my post.. I read the thread that you linked and I would like to make further comment. One of the things I saw from the other thread was the mention of being searched.

With exceptions of Military Installations and crossing the border, the DOT or police have no authority to search your vehicle without your consent! This seems to be a common misconception. Illegal Search and Seizure is a direct violation of your 4th Amendment rights. Just because you drive a truck you do not give up your constitutional rights.

I also made notice of the first words out of your mouth should be notification. This is true in Ohio at the moment (it is in the process of being repealed), but this is NOT true for every state, and you better know the laws of that state.

If your firearm is unloaded and stowed away legally and unloaded, there is no need to notify. Notification is only required in cases of concealed carry.

Anyways, just a couple more points I noticed and wanted to throw out there.
IANAL, but being a licensed conceal carry person, I make it my business to know the law to the best of my abilities, as everyone should.
 

truckn-lace

Seasoned Expediter
Thank You for that. With All the wrongs in this rules and Regs. Laws, Being a Experditer is Hard anough to stay on the up @ Up. to Keep the D,O.T. Off your a#&% Is hard so why Have a Gun and Create a Up Rore in Course of Life. Hope this Law stays for the Good Guys and make the Law stay on our side. Keep a Smiling:)
 

JimmyB

Seasoned Expediter
It's only as hard out there as you choose to make it. Whether your a truck driver, police officer, law abiding citizen, ARM yourself with knowledge. Drivers are so scared of scale houses, regulations, guns, etc etc, if you learn your trade, use common sense and know the laws you will do fine. If you chose to remain ignorant of the above, you will have a difficult time.

Problem is as they say...common sense isn't all too common.

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Bruno

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
US Marines
It's only as hard out there as you choose to make it. Whether your a truck driver, police officer, law abiding citizen, ARM yourself with knowledge. Drivers are so scared of scale houses, regulations, guns, etc etc, if you learn your trade, use common sense and know the laws you will do fine. If you chose to remain ignorant of the above, you will have a difficult time.

Problem is as they say...common sense isn't all too common.

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Jim 75% of people don't know that it's not against the law to open carry in public.
 

Camper

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Jim 75% of people don't know that it's not against the law to open carry in public.

Generally speaking, you're correct. However, there are a few states, mostly in the Northeast(New York, for instance) where it's actually illegal to open carry. In California, open carry is only legal in rural areas.



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pearlpro

Expert Expediter
There are many things that can be used for self protection besides a gun, Bug spray to someones eyes does a awful terrible thing to eyeballs, Mace, Pepperspray, a spray bottle with bleach, or other chemicals that stink to high heaven and disorient the attacker, Ive been on the road for almost 10 years in OTR and in some really bad areas, if you dont go in the places these punks lurk, you usually wont run into them, If someone wants to hijack your truck and theres a gun pointed at your head thru the window its better to let them have it THEN BE DEAD...Ive never wanted or needed to carry a gun anywhere but Hunting, Ive faced down some dudes and kept myself away from trouble by using my head, not a bullet.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
There are many things that can be used for self protection besides a gun, Bug spray to someones eyes does a awful terrible thing to eyeballs, Mace, Pepperspray, a spray bottle with bleach, or other chemicals that stink to high heaven and disorient the attacker, Ive been on the road for almost 10 years in OTR and in some really bad areas, if you dont go in the places these punks lurk, you usually wont run into them, If someone wants to hijack your truck and theres a gun pointed at your head thru the window its better to let them have it THEN BE DEAD...Ive never wanted or needed to carry a gun anywhere but Hunting, Ive faced down some dudes and kept myself away from trouble by using my head, not a bullet.

I have never had to use my gun. I too TRY to stay out of "bad" areas. Not always possible in this business. We often pick up in areas that I would never go into if I did not have business there.

I could "face down" "dudes" or "duds" when I was a LOT younger than I am now. My wife and I both have CCW's and carry from time to time. Just a little added insurance at our ages.

These days just letting them have the wallet or the truck will NOT keep you from getting shot. They shoot people for tee shirts and shoes or just for fun. It is ALWAYS better to go down fighting than to just go down.
 
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