So This is the Slow Time of Yr....

[golfournut]

Maybe it's me, but I find the Fleet Vision DH mileage to be grossly off. The DH miles reported there only comes from the DH miles put in for a load offer.

After the load is delivered, you travel to your waiting area, those miles aren't included. If you change locations to get to a better freight lane, those miles aren't included.

The total miles reported on Fleet Vision vs IFTA are way different.

Maybe I am not using it right. I think I have been in every scenario there is on the site.

But in the past, even with other carriers, I found that to be the case.

So I go by the hub for actual miles when it comes to all miles run in a month.

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[OntarioVanMan]

Maybe it's me, but I find the Fleet Vision DH mileage to be grossly off. The DH miles reported there only comes from the DH miles put in for a load offer.

After the load is delivered, you travel to your waiting area, those miles aren't included. If you change locations to get to a better freight lane, those miles aren't included.

The total miles reported on Fleet Vision vs IFTA are way different.

Maybe I am not using it right. I think I have been in every scenario there is on the site.

But in the past, even with other carriers, I found that to be the case.

So I go by the hub for actual miles when it comes to all miles run in a month.

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Fleetvision can not possibly know where you are going to go and wait for your next load.....it only knows where you are and the distance to pick up....always been that way....you are correct...you have to chart your miles to your wait area to have a real accurate number...
Keep in mind you have direct control of those numbers....if one has a habit of DHing to a truck stop after every load as opposed to the closest Wally World...that is all on the driver...
In good freight areas the "drop and stop" works best to maximize your profit...

 

[skyraider]

Thanks for the kind words pal...
My sessions are over..and the meds are kicking in..

Is that couch leather or cloth,,lol

 

[golfournut]

Fleetvision can not possibly know where you are going to go and wait for your next load.....it only knows where you are and the distance to pick up....always been that way....you are correct...you have to chart your miles to your wait area to have a real accurate number...
Keep in mind you have direct control of those numbers....if one has a habit of DHing to a truck stop after every load as opposed to the closest Wally World...that is all on the driver...
In good freight areas the "drop and stop" works best to maximize your profit...

If it knows where you are, then it should know where you end up and be able to calculate total miles traveled atleast so it gives a more accurate accounting. Guess it is not as smart as it should be. My bad.

I agree drop and stop is the best method, but keep in mind the difference between cv and st. We don't always have the flexibility of just pulling in somewhere and stopping without Deadheading to a truck stop, rest area or where ever that will allow us to park. Not all Wally Worlds are truck friendly. I do use the ones that are along with malls, shopping centers etc...

Sometimes you gotta go 50 miles to a safe haven where a cv might only have to go 10. Those miles add up and when a you or your carrier looks at the numbers, its deceiving.

Jmo
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[zero3nine]

"All we usually do is sit and watch our blood pressure rise."

Ummmm... what?

Your situation is what you make of it. You've been leased for 6 days. Get over yourself. Sounds like you've got your own expectations which are at a complete disconnect from reality. This is not the business to get into by starting off with no money in the bank.

EVERY business COSTS money to start up. Statistically, most small businesses don't show a profit until their second year, and generally those that don't show a profit until their third year tend to fail. This is why investors look over a business plan and decided whether or not to risk their money in a new enterprise. In THIS business, nobody is going to invest in it but YOU. This means YOU need to have MONEY to start up. If you are unable to cough up the seed money, ie. Qualcomm, insurance, fuel, whatever... then you needed to work a nine to fiver until you had some money saved.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

If it knows where you are, then it should know where you end up and be able to calculate total miles traveled at least so it gives a more accurate accounting. Guess it is not as smart as it should be. My bad.

I agree drop and stop is the best method, but keep in mind the difference between cv and st. We don't always have the flexibility of just pulling in somewhere and stopping without Deadheading to a truck stop, rest area or where ever that will allow us to park. Not all Wally Worlds are truck friendly. I do use the ones that are along with malls, shopping centers etc...

Sometimes you gotta go 50 miles to a safe haven where a cv might only have to go 10. Those miles add up and when a you or your carrier looks at the numbers, its deceiving.

Jmo
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Basically and I might not say this quite right...it is not a concern what you do AFTER the load..that is your responsibilty....the programs only concern is where ya at when you get dispatched and how long it will take you to get to the shipper....after that it is all on you...

Now I don't know...when you guys go EOBR the program because of logging might track them miles because that time counts.....maybe Layout could chime in here....

 

[chefdennis]

Danny you have a PM....as far as DH miles after you drop....I drove 410 miles to go to dinner fri and then another 80 to spend sat with friends...nothing to do with business at all....those are my miles nothing to do with business...if i decide that I don't need to stay in an area more then 48 hours (use to be 36 but now I get paid to sit up to 48) again any distance I move is on me...thats my decision...just like driving to a truckstop that is 50 miles from the drop or a mall that is 2 miles away, whichever I choose is on me.....at that point the miles are for "personal use"....and there is a tax situation for those....

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Danny you have a PM....as far as DH miles after you drop....I drove 410 miles to go to dinner fri and then another 80 to spend sat with friends...nothing to do with business at all....those are my miles nothing to do with business...if i decide that I don't need to stay in an area more then 48 hours (use to be 36 but now I get paid to sit up to 48) again any distance I move is on me...thats my decision...just like driving to a truckstop that is 50 miles from the drop or a mall that is 2 miles away, whichever I choose is on me.....at that point the miles are for "personal use"....and there is a tax situation for those....

get out of my head...*lol*

 

[chefdennis]

OVM wrote:

get out of my head...*lol*

LOL, I figured I'd stop in, i know when you leave home today it will be "lonely" in there!!!

 

[golfournut]

Danny you have a PM....as far as DH miles after you drop....I drove 410 miles to go to dinner fri and then another 80 to spend sat with friends...nothing to do with business at all....those are my miles nothing to do with business...if i decide that I don't need to stay in an area more then 48 hours (use to be 36 but now I get paid to sit up to 48) again any distance I move is on me...thats my decision...just like driving to a truckstop that is 50 miles from the drop or a mall that is 2 miles away, whichever I choose is on me.....at that point the miles are for "personal use"....and there is a tax situation for those....

Hadn't thought of the tax situation for those miles. Interesting, have to look into that.

So if you are available for dispatch after delivery and going to a safe haven, those miles are considered personal. Did I understand that right?

See, learned something new today. It's always a great day when you learn something new!

So.... is it safe to assume you would have to maintain a detail vehicle log for separating and detailing all miles?

Just wondering how realistic is that and how many do that?

Hmmm, got me thinking now!
Thanks

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[OntarioVanMan]

OVM wrote:



LOL, I figured I'd stop in, i know when you leave home today it will be "lonely" in there!!!

if I had even half a brain it would die of loneliness..*lol*

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Hadn't thought of the tax situation for those miles. Interesting, have to look into that.

So if you are available for dispatch after delivery and going to a safe haven, those miles are considered personal. Did I understand that right?

See, learned something new today. It's always a great day when you learn something new!

So.... is it safe to assume you would have to maintain a detail vehicle log for separating and detailing all miles?

Just wondering how realistic is that and how many do that?

Hmmm, got me thinking now!
Thanks

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Even tho you are not under load..they are still part of you doing your business and are expenses that have to be dealt with....i am quite sure IFTA doesn't discount them miles...?

 

[golfournut]

Even tho you are not under load..they are still part of you doing your business and are expenses that have to be dealt with....i am quite sure IFTA doesn't discount them miles...?

The truck moves, IFTA goes where it goes. Whether it's a trip to the grocery store or to pick up a load, the IFTA meter is running.

Right now just deducting fuel expense. Haven't done anything with miles.

Gonna be talking with my accountant tomorrow.


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[chefdennis]

Not ALL miles after a drop and taking you to a 'Safe haven" would be considered "personal miles' , but excessive miles certainly could be....and I would think that those in ST's that are having issues with the electronic logging and using their truck in certain situations where they are limited on certain empty miles have to keep a detailed log of all miles..sowing personal movements and DH'ing beyond what might be considered the "norm" to a safe haven.....

While I keep those track of my miles, it is not that detailed of all miles, in my wifes business, she has to keep track of all miles her car is driven. She has her own business that requires hereto drive and she also has a job as a employee that she drives for then there is her personal miles...all of those have a different affect when she does her taxes...

 

[golfournut]

Not ALL miles after a drop and taking you to a 'Safe haven" would be considered "personal miles' , but excessive miles certainly could be....and I would think that those in ST's that are having issues with the electronic logging and using their truck in certain situations where they are limited on certain empty miles have to keep a detailed log of all miles..sowing personal movements and DH'ing beyond what might be considered the "norm" to a safe haven.....

While I keep those track of my miles, it is not that detailed of all miles, in my wifes business, she has to keep track of all miles her car is driven. She has her own business that requires hereto drive and she also has a job as a employee that she drives for then there is her personal miles...all of those have a different affect when she does her taxes...

10-4 Thanks for the info. Gonna be a brain storming day tomorrow.

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[layoutshooter]

Basically and I might not say this quite right...it is not a concern what you do AFTER the load..that is your responsibilty....the programs only concern is where ya at when you get dispatched and how long it will take you to get to the shipper....after that it is all on you...

Now I don't know...when you guys go EOBR the program because of logging might track them miles because that time counts.....maybe Layout could chime in here....

What do you want me to chime in on exactly? I am being confused at the moment.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

What do you want me to chime in on exactly? I am being confused at the moment.

does your Fleetvision page indicate miles after your drop...or just the total miles from point of dispatch to delivery?...

 

[layoutshooter]

does your Fleetvision page indicate miles after your drop...or just the total miles from point of dispatch to delivery?...

Don't know what you mean by "Fleetvision" page. Our units display our total miles driven for a 24 hour period. It is always up to date. By that I mean, after I arrive at my pick up tomorrow morning that field will show 10 miles driven for the day so far.

 

[RLENT]

So if you are available for dispatch after delivery and going to a safe haven, those miles are considered personal. Did I understand that right?

Almost all my miles after dropping are for a valid business purpose, examples would be to either go to a truckstop to handle load paperwork .... or to reposition to obtain a better chance for another load ..... if I happen to wind up at a truck stop in doing so, so be it .....

See, learned something new today. It's always a great day when you learn something new!

Be extremely careful in what you learn from others .... do your own research and understand the tax code as it applies to your business situation.

Personally I, and my accountant, like to be aggressive when it comes to claiming tax deductions - no one is required to pay anymore tax than what they actually owe, and everyone is entitled to arrange their affairs to pay the absolute minimum tax possible.

 

[chefdennis]

Rlent wrote:

Be extremely careful in what you learn from others .... do your own research and understand the tax code as it applies to your business situation.

Personally I, and my accountant, like to be aggressive when it comes to claiming tax deductions - no one is required to pay anymore tax than what they actually owe, and everyone is entitled to arrange their affairs to pay the absolute minimum tax possible.

Excellent advise...what works for one often will not work for another..I would never advise anyone to follow my footsteps in dealing with the irs...

And Rlents statement of being aggressive is also an area that most should follow, but don't...

no one is required to pay anymore tax than what they actually owe, and everyone is entitled to arrange their affairs to pay the absolute minimum tax possible.

Again, this is how all should do thing when dealing with the fed...Again Excellent advise....