So sad.

clcooper

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i am telling you WHY people would not help other people .

if the guy was on welfare would you stoped and helped . if he was differant color then you would you stop . if he went to a differant church then would you stop and helped.

YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY
THIS IS WHY PEOPLE LIKE TO JUDGE OTHER AND IF THEY ARE DIFFERANT .they dont want to offer any help

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layoutshooter

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i am telling you WHY people would not help other people .

What is there in common between an 86 year old black man and a lesbian that would cause people to ignore them when they are in trouble?

I will tell you, they are lazy, self-centered, cowards. THAT is why people don't help others.
 

greg334

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I don't see the people as good as some do, it seems many don't even step up and help but just want to watch and remain that way.

As for Kitty Genovese, sorry to step on any toes but being gay had nothing to do with it, it is a serios problem and more so today than when that happened. I think the involvement of people who do not want to get into a risky situation says a lot, even when it comes to simple things like voting.
 

clcooper

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What is there in common between an 86 year old black man and a lesbian that would cause people to ignore them when they are in trouble?

I will tell you, they are lazy, self-centered, cowards. THAT is why people don't help others.

i say not to lazy or cowards .

but yes to self centered . you could also call them racist,bigots, prejudiced , discriminatory.judgmental

and pick any of the words above why "What is there in common between an 86 year old black man and a lesbian that would cause people to ignore them when they are in trouble? "

also it is because people are full of hate
 

layoutshooter

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i say not to lazy or cowards .

but yes to self centered . you could also call them racist,bigots, prejudiced , discriminatory.judgmental

and pick any of the words above why "What is there in common between an 86 year old black man and a lesbian that would cause people to ignore them when they are in trouble? "

also it is because people are full of hate

There was no hate in those videos on the news this morning, other than the thug that beat an old man, they just did NOTHING.

Self-centered, lazy cowards. Just call 'em as I see 'em.
 

Ragman

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We are talking about a situation that happened in Detroit, where crime is an everyday occurance.
I believe apathy would be a better reason.
 

clcooper

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I don't see the people as good as some do, it seems many don't even step up and help but just want to watch and remain that way.

As for Kitty Genovese, sorry to step on any toes but being gay had nothing to do with it, it is a serios problem and more so today than when that happened. I think the involvement of people who do not want to get into a risky situation says a lot, even when it comes to simple things like voting.

yes her being guy is not the reason why she was attacked . but her being guy is why nobody helped her

like a black man getting beat in a all white houseing . or a white man getting beat in a all black housing .
 

layoutshooter

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yes her being guy is not the reason why she was attacked . but her being guy is why nobody helped her

like a black man getting beat in a all white houseing . or a white man getting beat in a all black housing .

Race had NOTHING to do with this. The victim was black and so was at least one of those who ignored him. The thug that attacked the black man was also black.
 

clcooper

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We are talking about a situation that happened in Detroit, where crime is an everyday occurance.
I believe apathy would be a better reason.

no we are talking about why people didnt stop and help the guy . yep They may lack a sense of purpose or meaning in their life . is why people dont help others. it is never what i said .
 

cableguymn

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Seeing the criminal do it and being ready to shoot a fleeing felon? Seeing the criminal do it and being ready to run him down and park the van on top of him until police arrive? So many excellent options and pleasant thoughts can come out of this horrible event.


Either one would land you in jail.

And you wonder why people are so worried about helping.

I would have stopped in a heart beat to help the man. I would not have attempted to stop the carjacker. If I had shot him, he could sue me, depending on the state, I could go to jail for shooting a feeling subject. Had I hit him with my van, I'd go to jail for attempted (I'd have probably been successful. but I digress) man slaughter.

Anyone, on his hands and knees crawling is worth stopping to make sure they are ok. It's not often you see anyone over about 2 years old crawling anywhere.
 

layoutshooter

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It's bed time and I see that this thread is done. Sure glad I am hunting in the morning. At least that won't be a total waste of my time.
 

Turtle

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i say not to lazy or cowards .

but yes to self centered . you could also call them racist,bigots, prejudiced , discriminatory.judgmental ... also it is because people are full of hate
How many of the four people who walked past him were white? How many were black? How many knew which church he went to? How many knew whether or not he was on welfare?

It's not racism, bigotry, hate or anything else, other than simply the "Bystander Effect", a well studied human social phenomenon.

The Bystander Effect is a very bizarre thing, easy to state what you would do in those circumstances, easy to judge others for not helping. It's easy to say things like, "I would have helped the man," yet people who have said that very thing ended up later being caught up in the Bystander Effect themselves and did not, in fact, help someone who needed it at all. They stood there and watched, and then later were shocked that they did so. The more people who are witness to an emergency, the less likely any of them are to get involved and help. A lone witness will almost always help. The exception to the group who won't help are those in the group who have already been trained to help in an emergency, like a cop or a firefighter. Most people figure someone else will help, probably someone who is better trained than themselves. It's a real problem when everything thinks that, because no one helps.

The Bystander Effect is nearly universal, not merely something that happens in the US. It's so widespread and common that there are a few countries, France in particular, who have Good Samaritan laws that make it a crime for failing to help in an emergency. It happens all the time. And yes, it's sad when it does.
 

cableguymn

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How many of the four people who walked past him were white? How many were black? How many knew which church he went to? How many knew whether or not he was on welfare?

It's not racism, bigotry, hate or anything else, other than simply the "Bystander Effect", a well studied human social phenomenon.

The Bystander Effect is a very bizarre thing, easy to state what you would do in those circumstances, easy to judge others for not helping. It's easy to say things like, "I would have helped the man," yet people who have said that very thing ended up later being caught up in the Bystander Effect themselves and did not, in fact, help someone who needed it at all. They stood there and watched, and then later were shocked that they did so. The more people who are witness to an emergency, the less likely any of them are to get involved and help. A lone witness will almost always help. The exception to the group who won't help are those in the group who have already been trained to help in an emergency, like a cop or a firefighter. Most people figure someone else will help, probably someone who is better trained than themselves. It's a real problem when everything thinks that, because no one helps.

The Bystander Effect is nearly universal, not merely something that happens in the US. It's so widespread and common that there are a few countries, France in particular, who have Good Samaritan laws that make it a crime for failing to help in an emergency. It happens all the time. And yes, it's sad when it does.


That is probably why I have, and will jump in to help when needed. I am not a EMT but I have received training for these very things. In Minnesota it's actually against the law to do nothing when you are trained to respond.
 

greg334

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Well one thing that I find that doesn't work is when people make claims of helping if they are there, chances are they wouldn't.
 

LDB

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FWIW, there are still good people that do still help. One of my teams was the 2008 Heroes of the Highway and written up in Reader's Digest for saving a driver from certain death in a burning tractor.
 

layoutshooter

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Well one thing that I find that doesn't work is when people make claims of helping if they are there, chances are they wouldn't.


Remind me not to hang around with those people. The people I used to hang around with always jumped in to help.
 

clcooper

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How many of the four people who walked past him were white? How many were black? How many knew which church he went to? How many knew whether or not he was on welfare?

It's not racism, bigotry, hate or anything else, other than simply the "Bystander Effect", a well studied human social phenomenon.

The Bystander Effect .

do you know yourself ? SO HOW CAN YOU SAY IT IS JUST THE The Bystander Effect.

i dont care who was black, who was white , who was on welfare . BUT YOU CANT SAY IT IS ONLY BECAUSE OF The Bystander Effect.

would a KKK member stop and help a black person? .would that be called The Bystander Effect also .

people of differant color have known and seen another color needing help and because they were differant . they didnt stop and help . i guess that is called The Bystander Effect

when a catholic person needs help . how many from a differant Religion would stop to help . i guess that is called The Bystander Effect

how many on here would help a person on welfare ?? and is that called The Bystander Effect

again you are right it is only The Bystander Effect and never not racism, bigotry, hate or anything else. NOPE NEVER COULD IT BE racism, bigotry, hate or anything else. IT IS ALWAYS The Bystander Effect
 
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