So if you can use this as a defense.

[layoutshooter]

But in many ways honor and integrity means standing up for something you are passionate about. I don't feel honor is bestowed upon people for taking an oath but to hold true to that oath at all times - they all have to earn it.

Not talking to Manning or knowing how his mind works, I don't know his motivations but I do know that some of the things that have been secret or deemed sealed for a national interest have zero to do with actual protection of the country.

There are a lot of examples, from Rev King's FBI files (which are not of a national interest) to intel and information about the first world war. In the case of manning, I don't find him at fault for much of what I did in the past mainly because I took an objective look at the system and found serious flaws with it, which concern me more than the actual release of the information.

BUT the question should be on everyone's mind - does the system we have right now, this second actually conducive to protecting us or does it have more to do with protecting those who hold power that we are afraid to take away and return back to the people?

He was not forced to join nor sign any agreement. He should have thought it out before doing so.

There is no way that a low level analyst would have enough experience to determine what should or should not be "classified". I know that I did not. As I progressed in my career I learned why some thing were that I had at one time thought differently about.

Believe it or not, at least for what I was involved with, we always tried to classify to the lowest level possible. We tried to not classify when ever we could.

Military classification and civil classification have different standards.

 

[RLENT]

I was just trying to insure that neither you nor I "earn"[/B
"vacations" from E.O. If I were to respond otherwise that would likely happen.

Well, why not just exercise a little self-discipline and restraint, take a deep breath, forget it's me posting, and respond to what I said, and not the fact that I said it.

I don't have any doubt whatsoever that you can do it - you're not a dummy - use that passion

 

[layoutshooter]

Well, why not just exercise a little self-discipline and restraint, take a deep breath, forget it's me posting, and respond to what I said, and not the fact that I said it.

I don't have any doubt whatsoever that you can do it - you're not a dummy - use that passion

It has nothing to do with you the person. It has everything to do with your ideas. If I were to respond with mine, no matter who I were to word it, we would both likely get the boot. We have no common ground.

 

[RLENT]

It has nothing to do with you the person. It has everything to do with your ideas.

Tell me what are wrong with mine.

If I were to respond with mine, no matter who I were to word it, we would both likely get the boot.

Hard for me to imagine why I would get the boot for something you would say ....

We have no common ground.

Sorry - don't buy that for a second.

 

[cheri1122]

It has nothing to do with you the person.
It has everything to do with your ideas. If I were to respond with mine, no matter who I were to word it, we would both likely get the boot.

If you've got opinions that can't be worded in an acceptable fashion, maybe the problem isn't RLENT's opinion.....
BTW, why would HE get 'the boot' for your ideas?

We have no common ground.

 

[Turtle]

Hard for me to imagine why I would get the boot for something you would say ....

I don't know why you would say that, since you got the boot for something Brisco said.
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As for Manning, it doesn't matter if it's classified, over-classified, or double-secret-probation-classified, the ends do not justify the means. He signed an agreement and gave his word, and failed to live up to both. This is a man (sic) who cannot be trusted now, or ever. He has no integrity nor any heroic characteristics, despite the efforts of zealots who try to portray him as a hero, or even better, a gay hero, as if that's something to aspire to because it's a good thing.

I was subject to SSBI investigation when I did hard drive recovery work after the Oklahoma City bombing, which resulted in various security clearances. The SSBI (background check) has been repeated every five years since the initial investigation. Some reading this will know exactly what that means, some will not. After 9/11 I was given additional clearances, including TS/SCI and SAP clearances for the same type of hard drive recovery work. The compartmented clearances have obviously expired, but the background checks and certain security clearances are still in force. But more to the point, the non-disclosure agreement I signed, and my word, are still in force today.

 

[RLENT]

I don't know why you would say that, since you got the boot for something Brisco said.

LOL ..... no, actually I got the boot for what I said .... but he made me say it