So Glenn Beck Thinks He's A Prophet Now?

Turtle

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It's that simple, really? I'm glad you find it to be that way, because I think its can be downright impossible sometimes.
Yes, it's that simple. I didn't say it was easy to do, but it is that simple. People make mistakes all the time, and there is a path to forgiveness for those mistakes. The problem comes when you make those mistakes, knowing full well they are mistakes at the time you are making them, or worse, before you make them, because you have that ace in the hole of asking for forgiveness at the next alter call or in a confession booth. That's manipulating the religion for your own personal ends, and it doesn't even smack of hypocrisy, it's full-blown hypocrisy at its finest.

I'm not picking on you personally, necessarily, but I use your example since it was so freely and effortlessly given, as is so often the case with most Christians. Examples of Christians who exploit Christianity are all around us every day, far too numerous to start pointing them out. (This is, of course, true for all religions which contain a path of salvation.) But examples of people who live their lives by the Word of God and the teachings of Jesus are truly few and far between.

I had a great-uncle who from the time he was 16 until his death at 98 was a Baptist preacher. But he wasn't your average, ordinary, run-o-the-mill Baptist preacher. He was a man who lived his life, every day, by the WWJD principle, and did so long before WWJD was invented as a catchy bracelet or T-shirt adornment. He talked the talk, like most of 'em, but he walked the walk, every day, in a way few even think possible. But he did it, and others can, too. He was never famous, always humble, and the only monuments to him are the lives he touched.
 

Turtle

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That Muslims reject the Trinity is absolute proof that they don't worship the God of Abraham. That absolutely disqualifies them from worshiping the same God as Christians, because the only true God, Yahowah, is triune. Any variance from that means you/they worship a false god.
Spoken like a true Christian, well indoctrinated in "us versus them". The Holy Trinity is a construct of Christianity, of the Christian religion, not of God. That Muslims reject the Trinity is absolute proof that they are not Christians. If you want it to prove anything beyond that, you can only do that by interjecting your religion as proof, and your religion starts out biased against anyone who doesn't believe in the same as you. So it becomes a "because I said so" kind of thing, regardless of how one defends or rationalizes it.
 

layoutshooter

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"Spoken like a true Christian"

Not entirely correct. Spoken by a true Christian of his beliefs maybe, beliefs to which he is entitled too. There is likely as many "true Christian" beliefs as there are counties in the United States, if not more.

Some are exclusive and intolerant, some are more inclusive and more tolerant. Much of the same can be said of other, non-Christian religions.
 

Turtle

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I disagree. I say it's entirely correct, as any true Christian will tell you pretty much word for word what Amonger stated, that unless you believe in the Holy Trinity, then you believe in a false God, because the one and only one true God is the Trinity, and if your God isn't a Trinity, then it's a different God, and therefore a false God.

It's why Christians hate Muslims, and Jews, and it's why Muslims hate Christians, and will tolerate to a point the Jews, and it's why the Jews pretty much hate everybody who took their book and either added to it or did a rewrite.
 

layoutshooter

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I disagree. I say it's entirely correct, as any true Christian will tell you pretty much word for word what Amonger stated, that unless you believe in the Holy Trinity, then you believe in a false God, because the one and only one true God is the Trinity, and if your God isn't a Trinity, then it's a different God, and therefore a false God.

It's why Christians hate Muslims, and Jews, and it's why Muslims hate Christians, and will tolerate to a point the Jews, and it's why the Jews pretty much hate everybody who took their book and either added to it or did a rewrite.

Funny, I know many who claim to believe they are "true Christians" who do not believe in the Trinity as some do.

I know lots of Jews who don't hate everybody who "adopted" all or part of "their book" . One used to sing with us at guitar masses at the Church on base in Japan. Nothing quite as funny as a Jewish guitar player playing and singing the song, "They will know we are Christians by our love" !! Only in America, or at least an American air base in Japan. With army, navy and air force members all singing together. 3 different religions and 2.3 races represented.

I guess I just lived a more "sheltered" life than some, eh? :p
 

layoutshooter

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I know Jews who believe in Jesus. :D


So do I. I know former Christians who became members of the Jewish faith as well. They did not become Jewish though.

Being that Jesus existed it is not difficult to believe in that. Some cannot accept or believe that Jesus was God.

Most of them "New Testament" dudes were real people, except those were existed only in parables. The leap of faith comes in not believing that they were real, they were, the leap comes when accepting, or not accepting the spiritual aspect of their lives.
 

Turtle

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I'm not talking about former-anything Jews, I'm talking about Messianic Judaism, the religion that blends evangelical Christian theology with elements of Jewish terminology and ritual. Basically, Jews in every sense of the word, except they believe that Jesus was the Messiah, of the Trinity, and that salvation can only be achieved acceptance of Jesus as one's savior. Regular Jews don't like Messianic Jews much. But then again, that's religion for ya.
 

layoutshooter

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I'm not talking about former-anything Jews, I'm talking about Messianic Judaism, the religion that blends evangelical Christian theology with elements of Jewish terminology and ritual. Basically, Jews in every sense of the word, except they believe that Jesus was the Messiah, of the Trinity, and that salvation can only be achieved acceptance of Jesus as one's savior. Regular Jews don't like Messianic Jews much. But then again, that's religion for ya.


AWWW it does not even have all that much to do with religion either. It is more about people wanting to feel superior to others.

Dogs and cats don't always get along either, it is just how life can be.
 

greg334

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Muslims believe that Jesus, Moses and Abraham were all important prophets to their religion and to Judaism. They worship the same God but in a different way.

They seem to believe the trinity was man's justification for Christians to be separate from Judaism was the creation of the trinity. In the political and social environment when the Council of Nicene took place, there were a lot of anti-Jewish sentiments which seems to support the need to be distinct and separate. Until that point, many considered it a sect of Judaism. Because Christianity was borne our of Judaism, the biggest change was moving to worshiping a false deity, the cross, which is forbidden in Judaism.
 

dieseldiva

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the biggest change was moving to worshiping a false deity, the cross, which is forbidden in Judaism.

Christians don't worship the cross.....they worship Jesus who died on the cross....big difference.
 

greg334

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Christians don't worship the cross.....they worship Jesus who died on the cross....big difference.

Do you pray in church?

Does the church have a cross?

Do you pray to an image of Jesus?

It is all the same thing, you are praying to a man made deity.
 

layoutshooter

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Do you pray in church?

Does the church have a cross?

Do you pray to an image of Jesus?

It is all the same thing, you are praying to a man made deity.

There is no difference between the idea of what or who Jesus was to some and a depiction of an event? :confused: No one I know prays TO an image of anything.
 

dieseldiva

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Do you pray in church?

Yes

Does the church have a cross?

Yes

Do you pray to an image of Jesus?

No, that's ridiculous.

It is all the same thing, you are praying to a man made deity.

No, I am not!

I don't believe that the Deity was man-made.
 

greg334

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I think you missed the point, many pray to the cross which represents God, this to other religions is praying to a deity not God. If there is a likeness to Jesus on the cross, and people are praying to it, then it is the same case. Being Catholic, we prayed to the cross, we bowed in front of it and so on, that is actually the issue that many have - we are not praying to God or Jesus but to the cross.
 

dieseldiva

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I think you missed the point, many pray to the cross which represents God, this to other religions is praying to a deity not God. If there is a likeness to Jesus on the cross, and people are praying to it, then it is the same case. Being Catholic, we prayed to the cross, we bowed in front of it and so on, that is actually the issue that many have - we are not praying to God or Jesus but to the cross.

I'm not Catholic but I still don't think they're praying to the cross. I see that more as reverence to the cross.......it's symbolic of Jesus' work there, that's all.
 

layoutshooter

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I think you missed the point, many pray to the cross which represents God, this to other religions is praying to a deity not God. If there is a likeness to Jesus on the cross, and people are praying to it, then it is the same case. Being Catholic, we prayed to the cross, we bowed in front of it and so on, that is actually the issue that many have - we are not praying to God or Jesus but to the cross.

I was raised Catholic. I was not taught to pray TO the cross. I was taught that the Cross, and other symbols, were there to help man bridge the gap between the idea of finite and infinite. Man is finite and his thinking is such. Depictions and symbols are meant to assist him in his pursuits of religious truth. Those symbols are not the god. Sounds like you were taught a lot different than I was.
 

witness23

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Muslims and Christians UNQUESTIONABLY do not worship the same god, despite claims of their fictitious moon deity being the god of Abraham. Very much like Mormons, when you compare the two, you see they're not the same.

Dude, don't take it from me, but go to your priest or pastor and ask him if Christians and Muslims worship the same God.

Muslims believe that both Muhammad and Jesus were sent to us by God to renew the belief in him....God. They weren't here to change the doctrine and belief in one God, but to confirm it.
 

davekc

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I think if you examine it closely, you'll find MADE IN CHINA stamped on the bottom.

Is this where you send your check to the preacher on TV and he sends you the dashboard plastic Jesus?
 
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