So Glenn Beck Thinks He's A Prophet Now?

witness23

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I actually tuned into Beck this morning right before he went into this, "poor me, I am the only one who can see these things", martyr BS he is so good at. This guy is a disgrace to all Christians. By the way, if you do not know anything about the Mormon religion in which Mr. Beck is a member of, I highly suggest you look into their beliefs. Specifically about Jesus and modern day prophets. I do have first hand experience with the mormons, I was a raised in the Re-Organized Church of Latter-Day-Saints, I am no longer a part of the religion, but I know the history of mormons quite well. Also, I am in know way bashing the religion, just thought you might want to know what they believe in, in case you happen to be a Christian and a Beck fan.

So Glenn Beck Thinks He's A Prophet Now?
June 02, 2011 3:17 pm ET by Andy Newbold

link: So Glenn Beck Thinks He's A Prophet Now? | Media Matters for America

Today, Mediaite reported that the last episode of Glenn Beck's daily Fox News show will air on June 30. That news may just have driven Beck over the edge.

On his radio show today, Beck told his audience that he doesn't know why he has "been given the gift, the blessing, or the curse of being able to see slightly over the horizon." He went on to say that this "is not something that I take lightly" but that he is "grateful" for this ability. As if it wasn't obvious enough that Beck was declaring himself a prophet, Beck listed examples of his visions that have come true.

He asked his audience "how was it I was over in Israel two weeks before the president made his speech?" Then asks them to ponder "how was it I told you months ago these things were coming?" And then, referencing Obama's call for Israeli and Palestinian states with borders based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, he asked "how is it I told you on the Monday before they would divide the city?" And then he inquired just simply "how?"

While Beck is no stranger to self-aggrandizement, he at least has sometimes professed humility. Beck has even previously told us "I'm not a prophet." But he cast away that nonsense today, and let us know what he really thinks of his himself.

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BECK: I don't know why I have been given the gift, the blessing, or the curse of being able to see slightly over the horizon, but I am telling you I can. And it is not something that I take lightly. It is not something that I -- I have to be careful. I am grateful, but I am not always grateful for it. I don't tell you these things, and I don't have to say this to you, I don't tell you these things because I am going to make money. I don't tell you these things for any other reason other than I believe them with everything in me.

And it is my responsibility, just like it is your responsibility when you know something, to say something. Ask yourself how did I know? How was it I was over in Israel two weeks before the president made his speech? How was it I told you months ago these things were coming? How was it I told you on the Monday before the speech, the ambassador and the prime minister of Israel didn't know they would call for the '67 border? He didn't know. No one knew until he made the announcement. How is it, I told you on the Monday before, they would divide the city? How?

As for whether Beck's power to "see slightly over the horizon" is a "blessing" or a "curse," we'll just list a few of Beck's predictions and let you decide for yourself:[/QUOTE]

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paullud

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I actually tuned into Beck this morning right before he went into this, "poor me, I am the only one who can see these things", martyr BS he is so good at. This guy is a disgrace to all Christians. By the way, if you do not know anything about the Mormon religion in which Mr. Beck is a member of, I highly suggest you look into their beliefs. Specifically about Jesus and modern day prophets. I do have first hand experience with the mormons, I was a raised in the Re-Organized Church of Latter-Day-Saints, I am no longer a part of the religion, but I know the history of mormons quite well. Also, I am in know way bashing the religion, just thought you might want to know what they believe in, in case you happen to be a Christian and a Beck fan.

So Glenn Beck Thinks He's A Prophet Now?
June 02, 2011 3:17 pm ET by Andy Newbold

link: So Glenn Beck Thinks He's A Prophet Now? | Media Matters for America



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As for whether Beck's power to "see slightly over the horizon" is a "blessing" or a "curse," we'll just list a few of Beck's predictions and let you decide for yourself:

South Park had a great episode about the Mormon faith. For those of you that have never watched it because all you heard about it is it has some kids swearing, you should put that aside because the show is very political and done intelligently. Trey Parker and Matt Stone are middle of the road politically in my opinion but some say they are conservative.

The Mormon faith was started in a very... odd way. They have been opposed to having blacks preach and are almost cult like. I believe they can practice their faith anyway they choose but people should look into their beliefs if they are taking what Beck says as Gospel which you shouldn't do since he is a commentator and not a reporter, although due to my political beliefs I do agree with him a lot.

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greg334

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Outside of the usual banter, there is something about beck lately that seems he is losing it on certain subjects. I too listened to him the other day and I wondered if he actually believed what he was saying about the end of days, etc. ...

By the way he is a Mormon convert, came to the religion just like one of my old girlfriends - as someone who hit rock bottom and they gave her a way up and out of her situation. The difference was clear to me when I listened to her speak of her religion and comparing it to the two professors who were born into it and their take on it. Nothing wrong with the Mormons by the way.
 

dieseldiva

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The Mormon faith was started in a very... odd way. They have been opposed to having blacks preach and are almost cult like. I believe they can practice their faith anyway they choose but
people should look into their beliefs if they are taking what Beck says as Gospel which you shouldn't do since he is a commentator and not a reporter,
although due to my political beliefs I do agree with him a lot.

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The point should be made that you cannot take as gospel anything the reporters have to say either.......just sayin';)
 

paullud

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The point should be made that you cannot take as gospel anything the reporters have to say either.......just sayin';)

Very true, I look at what comes from any news agency as 90% spin and their view point.

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witness23

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*warning, this is long, sorry*

Sounds like you might be a little "intolerant" of Mormons.......not very Christian, is it? :rolleyes:

You know what? I am going to start giving you the benefit of the doubt from here on out in what you post. Because anyone with reading comprehension skills such as yours, is at a terrible disadvantage and quite honestly, I feel sorry for you. I know, not very Christian like of me, but I will ask for forgiveness the next time my church has an alter call.

Why do you think I said the following?:

Also, I am in know way bashing the religion, just thought you might want to know what they believe in, in case you happen to be a Christian and a Beck fan.

Take Beck's advice and do as he suggests, research it yourself, ask questions, pray on it. Beck is not stupid though, he know's the majority of his audience will not do that. That is changing though, he is losing his audience everyday. I wonder if its because they are researching, asking questions and praying on it and coming to the conclusion, this man is nothing but a fraud.

Do you have any idea what an easy target Beck is, by being of the Mormon faith? If you take the time to look back at all the things I've posted about him this is probably the second time I've brought up his religion. You know why? I could care less, I am more concerned with what comes out of his mouth than what his religious beliefs are. There is plenty to debate about, the things that he says, what he want's to do, what he thinks YOU should do, and so on and so forth, than his religious beliefs.

Also, until recently(within the last 12 mos. or so), Beck really didn't have too much religous talk, especiallythe Mormon theology on his shows, other than his references of the Holy Father here and there, that was all you got. My questions arose when Beck referred to himself as a Christian and I found out that he was LDS. Me personally, I have a hard time with that statement. The more you educate yourself on the beliefs of the Mormon Church, the more you might understand where Beck is coming from, and more importantly, where he may just think he is going. And why I feel the way I do.

Since Beck has brought up religion, and tells his audience everyday to research it yourself, ask questions, pray on it, that is exaclty what you should do. I say again though, with Beck, he knows the majority of his audience will not bother to do the research(I said majority, not all). So I'll give you a little taste of the Mormon religion and what they believe from my experience with the Mormon religion. Earlier I said, I grew up in the "Re-Organized Church of Latter-Day-Saints" church, so I do have knowledge of the Mormon church. I lived in one of the most prominent areas of the Mormon church's history, Kirtland, OH.(google it) for the first 22 years of my life. But hey, don't take my word for it, research these things yourself, pray on it, and come to your own conclusion.

Also, I would like for you to keep in mind that these things that I point out, are not pointed out to someone in the early stages of Mormanism. These things are taught after you have been in the church and become more involved. Mormons will point out all the similarities they have with orthodox Christianity and the Bible and are quite clear the Book of Mormon is just a continuance of God's word and they believe in the Bible as much as they believe in the Book of Mormon.

Mormons on God:

They believe there is a God for Earth, and there are other God's for other planets, custodians if you will. The Mormon God is eternal, but he is a mere mortal. That means, that Mormons believe that one day, one of us(man), can become God and then you are awarded your very own planet. So they believe God was once one of us and worked his way up to Godhood. The fifth president of the LDS church, Lorenzo Snow famously said, “As man is, God once was. As God is, man may become.”

Mormons on Jesus:

They believe he was created by the Mormon God. Remember, someone like you or I that has worked his way to Godhood then created a human. Jesus was the first child of that God. They also believe Satan was God's second child, making them brothers. Okay? hmmm?

Mormons on the Bible:

The Mormons believe in the Bible and it is the word of God, but it is just ONE of the ways God has spoken to his people. They also believe in the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price. That's 4 books in all that they call, "The Standard Works". They believe God still speaks to his people through Prophets and if the the Prophet contradicts the word of God, they are to believe in the Prophet and hold to his teachings. Hence, Joseph Smith. They believe he was a prophet of God.

Keep in mind also, the Mormons believe that the American Indians are descendants of the ancient Jews that left Israel by boat, and came to the America's and created an advanced culture, with large cities, advanced writing skills, along with the religous thought of one God. And that Jesus visited them after his resurection to teach them the Gospel.

This is a picture of Jesus speaking to the American Indians from mormon.org

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What I think makes Mormonism so dangerous is that is sounds so much like Christianity but contradicts the Bible in so many ways.

Ask yourself a question, why doesn't Beck profess his Mormon religion over the airwaves where he reaches millions of people every day? He has all kinds of religious faiths (which I think is great) on his shows, Christian, Evangelical Christians, Catholics, Jews, Protestants, you name it, but I can't recall him having a prominent person from the Mormon church on, why is that? I'm sure he has had members of the LDS on his show, I haven't personally seen it, and he certainly hasn't paraded any of them on stage like the other religions. Why is he so focused on other religions other than his own in which he was baptized in? Is he afraid it will hurt his ratings? Is he not proud of his Mormon beliefs? Is he afraid of the questions he may get about his religion? Listen, he hit rock bottom and the Mormon faith dragged him out of the abyss he was in and dusted him off and straightened him out, that is a testament to him and his faith, and God Bless him for it. You would think anyone having a blessing such as his, would want to share that with the World, especially when you have a pulpit such as his to get the word out about his Mormon beliefs.

Some good quotes I found on Wiki:

link: Restoring Honor rally - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Theological tensions

“ Look, I'm Mormon, and most Christians don't recognize me as a Christian. ”
Glenn Beck, the day after the rally (August 29, 2010) in an interview with Chris Wallace on Fox News Sunday. [103]

Mark Caleb Smith, director of the Center for Political Studies at Cedarville University, said, "Many of the people you'd say are members of the Christian right would consider Mormonism to be cultish, and so what's interesting is that Beck [by means of the rally] is seemingly building bridges to that community from a very different theological perspective."[9] However, several theologically conservative evangelicals, many of them Beck fans politically, criticized evangelicals' "standing together in the faith"[73] with Beck at the religion-centered rally, because Beck is Mormon and thus in their view not "a fellow Christian."[9][10][104][105][106]

After announcement of the planned rally, Brannon Howse, a professional organizer of Christian conferences, expressed wariness, stating "The Apostle Paul warns Christians against uniting with unbelievers in spiritual endeavors. While I applaud and agree with many of Glenn Beck's conservative and constitutional views, that does not give me or any other Bible-believing Christian justification to compromise Biblical truth by spiritually joining Beck."[107][108] Breakpoint's Diane Singer said, "If you're like me and believe [Mormons] have been deceived into following another Jesus, then perhaps you share my concerns. I want real revival to come to America, which means it must be based on Truth, not deception."[109] In response to the rally, Warren Cole Smith, associate publisher of the Christian-themed World magazine, said:

I will say that there is a significant minority of evangelicals who have deep concerns about Beck's true motives. The fact that he is a Mormon. While the Mormon religion shares some common ground with biblically orthodox Christian faith, there’s a significant amount of primarily theological ground that’s not common between these two faiths.... There are serious theological differences between Beck's conception of God and an evangelical conception of God. [Beck's] language resonates with evangelicals but is the meaning the same? I fear that evangelicals will be duped.[10]

However, Jerry Falwell, Jr., attended the event and defended Beck, remarking "Glenn Beck’s Mormon faith is irrelevant. People of all faiths, all races and all creeds spoke and attended the event. Nobody was there to endorse anyone else’s faith, but we were all there to honor our armed forces and to call the people of America to restore honor."[72] The American Family Association's Bryan Fischer said that while Beck's faith "is a problem", evangelicals were able to use Beck for their purposes during the Restoring Honor rally, remarking:

While Glenn Beck provided the platform, evangelicals provided the message. Beck depended heavily on historian and committed evangelical David Barton for assistance in picking speakers and selecting those who would lead in prayer and worship. A Mormon teed up the ball for evangelical Protestants. And evangelicals hit it out of the park.[109
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Glenn Beck constantly says the nation needs to turn back towards God for the answers to our problems. The problem is, which God?
 

Turtle

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Glenn Beck constantly says the nation needs to turn back towards God for the answers to our problems. The problem is, which God?
Yes, that's a problem, indeed. Especially for Christians. Which God. And even if everyone could agree on which God, would everyone agree on anything else past that? Muslims and Christians have the same God. The exact same one. Yet they can agree on little else. Catholics and Protestants agree on the same God, but that's about it.

The problem isn't which God, that's the easy part. The problem is which religion once you get past God. Religion in the hands of man is as close to evil as you can get. Religion has been used by man to inflict more death, pain and suffering than God ever has. People use religion as a means to an end, for power, for coercion, as a means to get what they want or to do as they wish. Some truly abuse it for evil in the guise of good, while others use it as an excuse to be Christian-like when it serves them, and to be very un-Christian-like when it equally serves them. For example, "I know, not very Christian like of me, but I will ask for forgiveness the next time my church has an alter call." How conveeeeenient. Either a Christian lives their life as a Christian, or they don't. It's that simple. Some do, most don't.
 

dieseldiva

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You know what? I am going to start giving you the benefit of the doubt from here on out in what you post. Because anyone with reading comprehension skills such as yours, is at a terrible disadvantage and quite honestly, I feel sorry for you. I know, not very Christian like of me, but I will ask for forgiveness the next time my church has an alter call.

I don't need your pity and there's nothing wrong with my reading skills....I made that post simply because you're the one that always brings up Christianity, throwing it at other people so I thought maybe it was time that you take a look at some of the things that you post in a more objective way.
 

layoutshooter

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"You know what? I am going to start giving you the benefit of the doubt from here on out in what you post. Because anyone with reading comprehension skills such as yours, is at a terrible disadvantage and quite honestly, I feel sorry for you. I know, not very Christian like of me, but I will ask for forgiveness the next time my church has an alter call."[/COLOR

There is no need for this kind of insult. Try to play nice.
 

dieseldiva

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Yes, that's a problem, indeed. Especially for Christians. Which God. And even if everyone could agree on which God, would everyone agree on anything else past that? Muslims and Christians have the same God. The exact same one. Yet they can agree on little else. Catholics and Protestants agree on the same God, but that's about it.

Catholics and Protestants both believe in the Trinity. Protestants are Christians, Muslims don't believe in the Trinity, how is it that you believe that they believe in the same God??
 

witness23

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Yes, that's a problem, indeed. Especially for Christians. Which God. And even if everyone could agree on which God, would everyone agree on anything else past that? Muslims and Christians have the same God.

Yes we do, but they do not believe in the Trinity. They believe Jesus was a great messenger of God and they believe the Holy Spirit is the angel Gabriel. Mulslims also believe in the Bible, the Torah, the Psalms and the Qur'an, which was given to Muhhamad. Anything that does not match up with the Qur'an should be rejected as creations of man. So, yes they do believe in the same God, but with some variances.

The problem isn't which God, that's the easy part. The problem is which religion once you get past God. Religion in the hands of man is as close to evil as you can get.

I agree, that's why I choose to believe in the Bible, not necessarily a religion. But that's me.

Religion has been used by man to inflict more death, pain and suffering than God ever has. People use religion as a means to an end, for power, for coercion, as a means to get what they want or to do as they wish.

God has not done these things, man has. We are of a free will. Man is not without sin and these things you stated are true, but what God wants is a personal relationship with us. That bond was broken when Adam and Eve disobeyed God and we have been paying for their disobediance since.

Some truly abuse it for evil in the guise of good, while others use it as an excuse to be Christian-like when it serves them, and to be very un-Christian-like when it equally serves them.

That's why it is important to question what is truly in a persons heart.


For example, "I know, not very Christian like of me, but I will ask for forgiveness the next time my church has an alter call." How conveeeeenient.

It is isn't it? That's the wonderful gift Jesus has given us. I'm not perfect and do not claim to be and I'm working on my walk with Jesus everyday, or at least I try to. I constantly look towards the Holy Spirit to help me along the way. Believe me, the Holy Spirit has held me back from saying what I would really like to on more than a few occasions.

Either a Christian lives their life as a Christian, or they don't. It's that simple. Some do, most don't.

It's that simple, really? I'm glad you find it to be that way, because I think its can be downright impossible sometimes.
 

Turtle

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Catholics and Protestants both believe in the Trinity. Protestants are Christians, Muslims don't believe in the Trinity, how is it that you believe that they believe in the same God??
I don't believe that they believe in the same God, I know they do. Islam, Christianity and Judaism all have the same God of Abraham. Once you get beyond that, it's merely theological twiddling within each religion.
 

layoutshooter

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I don't believe that they believe in the same God, I know they do. Islam, Christianity and Judaism all have the same God of Abraham. Once you get beyond that, it's merely theological twiddling within each religion.

Yep, that is correct. Just minor differences. Many of which are backed up by very closed minds.
 

AMonger

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Tolerance of sin and heterodoxy is not a Christian virtue. Beck is a member of a cult, the teachings of which and Christianity are mutually exclusive.
 

AMonger

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Muslims and Christians UNQUESTIONABLY do not worship the same god, despite claims of their fictitious moon deity being the god of Abraham. Very much like Mormons, when you compare the two, you see they're not the same.
 

AMonger

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I don't believe that they believe in the same God, I know they do. Islam, Christianity and Judaism all have the same God of Abraham. Once you get beyond that, it's merely theological twiddling within each religion.

That Muslims reject the Trinity is absolute proof that they don't worship the God of Abraham. That absolutely disqualifies them from worshiping the same God as Christians, because the only true God, Yahowah, is triune. Any variance from that means you/they worship a false god.
 
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