'SlutWalk' marches sparked by Toronto officer's remarks

Turtle

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Hawk absolutely nailed it with his first response: I'm going to dress like a skinhead, and walk down Visiger St in Detroit. If I get killed, it isn't my fault. Right?

Women know exactly what they are doing when they get dressed. They know exactly how to advertise, and when they attract what they don't want, they're all like, "You're wrong and I'm not to blame at all." The other problem is not so much prudish attitudes and thinking, but the fact that women want men to think like women, and we don't. And we never will, so don't expect something different.

If you dress slutty (for lack of a better word) then you're advertising (why do you think young women unconsciously dress to show more skin when they are ovulating?), and when you attract someone, they aren't necessarily attracted to you for the purpose of assaulting or raping you, but when you in effect say, "Here I am boys! Come and get me!" and when they do come for you, you in effect go, "ha, ha, ha. Fooled ya!" that will make some men mad and it then becomes an assault or rape. It shouldn't happen, and when it does it doesn't mean it's the woman's fault they got assaulted or raped, but they aren't necessarily free from any and all blame, either.

Most women won't walk alone though a dark parking lot or paring garage at night, or walk very far down a street by themselves at night, any more than they'll dress like a :censoredsign: and go into a pool hall alone at 11PM on a Friday night because they have a hankerin' to play a game of pool... because they know they are putting themselves in a position for problems and they know what to expect. If a woman does that and is attacked, it's absolutely the fault of the attacker, but many other women will absolutely comment that she shouldn't have put herself in that position to begin with. It's no different when you advertise by how you dress. You're not to blame, but you're not exactly free of all blame, either, no matter how badly you don't want to take responsibility for your actions.

This is, of course, not to justify in any way a woman being assaulted on any level, but at the same time it's just insane to say, "I'm gonna dress slutty to advertise, knowing full well that I'm advertising and may very well attract unwanted attention from the wrong type of man, but I refuse to be responsible for my actions." To do otherwise smacks of bait.
 

layoutshooter

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No I don't see how one cop saying anything gives credence to this. What I learned in school was rape was more about rage and control than sex or sexy clothing.

I don't know why it was brought up in court, as an excuse maybe?
Another indication of your not actually reading the article, or comprehending it: the comment wasn't made in court [where it would have immediately been objected to, and judged improper], but to a class of law students, by a police officer. Hence, no correction [unless a student spoke up], of a lie. And any LEO who believes that lie has no business in the job he holds.

As in, she was sexy looking, she made me do it.
The exact rationalization that requires women in the Middle East to wear burquas and veils: men cannot be held responsible for controlling their 'urges'.
How convenient - for the men. :mad:

That is exactly the problem. These kind of "excuses" should NEVER be allowed in court. It is a totally bogus defense. LEO's should not even be speaking this kind of stuff.

Women who don't want to be treated like sluts should not dress like them either. People, ALL people, should dress and act as they wish to be treated. You are (not anyone in here personally) what you advertise. You will be looked upon based on how you dress and act. That is life. It is NO different for men either.
 

greg334

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The exact rationalization that requires women in the Middle East to wear burquas and veils: men cannot be held responsible for controlling their 'urges'.
How convenient - for the men.


What?

I find this rather an uninformed comment Cheri. Burqas are the same as were veils in european culture and is religious based as habits were for Penguins.
 

layoutshooter

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The exact rationalization that requires women in the Middle East to wear burquas and veils: men cannot be held responsible for controlling their 'urges'.
How convenient - for the men.


What?

I find this rather an uninformed comment Cheri. Burqas are the same as were veils in european culture and is religious based as habits were for Penguins.

Which penguins? The birds or the hockey players from Pittsburgh?
 

layoutshooter

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The exact rationalization that requires women in the Middle East to wear burquas and veils: men cannot be held responsible for controlling their 'urges'.
How convenient - for the men.


What?

I find this rather an uninformed comment Cheri. Burqas are the same as were veils in european culture and is religious based as habits were for Penguins.

Which penguins? The birds or the hockey players from Pittsburgh?
 

layoutshooter

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Why did I expect this?

You ever hear of Monty Python??

I know a lot of nuns who feel that the habit is still part of the dedication to Christ.


I have heard of Monty Python. I saw a bit of their stuff years ago. Not my cup of tea. I could not tell you one thing about them. I don't find that sort of thing funny. It would make little difference, I pay little attention to who is playing in what band, comedy group or movies. It is not really worth the effort to me. It is just not all that important.

I too know nuns who believe that the habit is important. I have no problem with that. It is their belief, their lives, they can live it as they chose. Not my place to question.
 

greg334

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I have heard of Monty Python. I saw a bit of their stuff years ago. Not my cup of tea. I could not tell you one thing about them. I don't find that sort of thing funny. It would make little difference, I pay little attention to who is playing in what band, comedy group or movies. It is not really worth the effort to me. It is just not all that important.

Whew! glad we cleared that up.


I too know nuns who believe that the habit is important. I have no problem with that. It is their belief, their lives, they can live it as they chose. Not my place to question.

Well some do.
 

layoutshooter

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Whew! glad we cleared that up.




Well some do.


Well, there are always people who question or try to belittle people who have the courage of their convictions and the will to live as they chose. Those who do belittle are normally weak people without conviction.
 

davekc

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"Slutwalk"? What will they come up with next?
Can't really render an opinion on this without a pictorial.:D
 

cheri1122

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cheri wrote to Layout:



his comment was in responce to Scott in post #6...not in responce to what he read in the article....:rolleyes:

It makes no difference - one cannot make an informed opinion, judgement, or comment on an article one did not read, and this is a perfect illustration of the one little detail that changes the whole situation: the LEO was not in court, but in front of a classroom. Big difference, when telling a lie, wouldn't you say?
Are you inside his head, that you know what he was responding to, and can answer for him?
Cause that's just scary.
 

chefdennis

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Nope, not in his head at all... BT, since he reponded 2 post after Scott and even brought Scott's post where Scott asked about the "courts"....common sense would say that he was responding to SCOTT...:rolleyes:
 

OntarioVanMan

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"Double Standards and prudiish attitude" as Greg says has a lot do with it.

Take for example ..... shirtless men

If a woman tried that she would be arrested - whats good for one should be good for another ......

No I don't mean everyone walking around topless, everyone keeps their shirt on :D

Women dress to be fashionable and attractive to men.

Fashion plays a big part in todays world.

From the skinny model to the clothes that are worn.

Women in "civilised" countries throughout the ages have been clothed from head to toe, once upon a time not even an ankle showed.

Then BAM along comes the 60's and mini skirts and hot pants - what an outrage that caused.
(Along with "devil" music)

This is just the new fashion in clothing. Should we be blaming the Fashion Houses :rolleyes:

The Police Officer may well have his own opinion but that should have been kept to himself as that is all it is, an opinion.

Do I approve? ..... if I had a daughter wanting to dress in such skimpy clothing ...... well lets say I'm glad I had boys :p
Unless they've repealed the law since I left...
it is legal for a woman to go topless in Ontario....equal rights under the law....
 

Turtle

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OK, looking at those pictures, the women of Toronto really need to work on their slutwear a little bit. <snort>

Here's some other pictures from the event.

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This one gets it, but I think there might be something else going on there.


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Better.


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"Me love you long time, eh."
 

MANIAC

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Hey, That will give me the perfect opprotunity to wear my brand new thong bikini Sindy bought for me! What do y'all think?:eek:
 
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