Sleep? Whats that!

themagicoen

Expert Expediter
I've been reading a few post here and there about how some people get a lot sleep and some none, etc. How do the teams on here deal with the HOS expediting? I have been told tons of times to split the day, one person take 12am-12pm, other 12pm-12am, what happens on your shift you take care of. Problem I had with that is most loads we did picked up at 6-8pm and were 700 miles. So, my team partner would pick up the load and only have to drive it 100-200 miles and I would have do the other 500 plus deliver plus get us to a layover spot then try to get sleep with a team partner now wide awake cause he only works 4 a day and sleeps all night. When were running hard I would at most put in 4 hours sleep a day as with the old HOS rules I could work 5 then sleep 6, sleep another 5 and get 10 hours in a day. Expediting should have its own HOS rules. Whats everyone else's thoughts?
 

redytrk

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
<Expediting should have its own HOS rules. Whats everyone else's thoughts?>

What do you think this is...THE OIL INDUSTRY?
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Sounds like the 12-12 needs to be shifted to something like 4-4 or something similar that more evenly divides the most common run schedule.

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TeamCaffee

Administrator
Staff member
Owner/Operator
We change at 2:00 in the morning and that really seems to be the most fair for us. We both get to sleep some at night but at the same time we get to spend time together. We tried the day and night shift and neither one of can sleep hard enough to not hear the qualcom go off all day, the phones ring, getting in and out of the truck and various other things that just happen in the day time.
 

TeamCaffee

Administrator
Staff member
Owner/Operator
I believe for the rest of our lives we will have nightmares of the qualcomm going off in the middle of the night.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
One night I was in a deep sleep.

I was dreaming that I was in my ‘navy’ bunk in my little van, all wrapped up, warm and fuzzy. This turned into a nightmare; my QC kept beeping and I could not reach it.

I woke up in a sweat and scared my wife. I got up and looked for the QC.

I will dream my phone is ringing or the QC is beeping when I am stressed. I hae a specific ring tone for FedEx and I will have to get up and check my phone to make sure.

The moral of my story is not to let your life become too stressed. Take it easy, take a few days off, R E L A X. if you dream about work, it is time for a vacation.
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Not sure if the current HOS would permit it, but when I team drove, we split the day into 6-12 & 12-6 shifts, so we each drove one day & one night shift. If I drove noon to 6, & we didn't move until, say, 4, then we would readjust by adding the 2 hrs left of my shift to the next 6, making 8, then I would drive half, until 8, and my codriver would drive 4, and at midnight we'd go back to the 6 hr schedule. That kept it as fair as we could make it. In a van, without having to log, that worked pretty well.:)
 

copdsux

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Back in the day, I had an aquaintance that, at one time, used to in-
stall Qualcomm units. He installed an in-line toggle switch on my
unit, so I could turn the thing off, when I REALLY needed some rest.:+ :+
 

marvinkwagner

Not a Member
Good Morning or should I say good Evening
HA HA

Tis like this I had Three good partners
The first one was Frank who was the lead driver but he moved on to better things as he had indifferences with the boss

Second One was Vespa of which we ran hard and were outstanding as a team but he has his own Truck and got it given back to him by his cousin and so he put it on FedEX.
He wants me to go with him right now.

Third Was Reed of which we were together only a short time and we ran hard as well, did EAST Coast to West Coast out and back in less than 5 days. Made some money that week till the boss pulled him to help his other lead driver get out of CAL while I went home for two days to fix the house after that big storm went up the east coast.
he never came back because of indifferences with the boss.

The above Partners I had no Problem sleeping and they Navagated just fine. Didnt matter on who drove day or night.

Thats the kind of Partners ones needs.

One should not have to stay up and navagate for the other driver when ya should be sleepen.

Have A Safe One

kev
 

nighttrain

Seasoned Expediter
well i know me and my old co driver set it up to where i drove during the day and him at night and we never split our hours we drove the 10
but they were times when i had drove to the p/u and delivery and got to layover and out of hours or vice versa we would just stay in the sleeper till we got a run and whoever drove last if they had any hours left we would drive what was left and the other took over
been a few times got my hours in bunk but was in layover for 5 hours i just still said i was in sleeper till we got a load and i put myself in
but when i was out with with my first co-driver with the first owner i was with we did the split berth and drive and we ran out of hours
but got put with an owner and co-driver we never split so we drove the allowed drive time never ran into hos problems
well i did kept messing my logs up and figured out what i was doing and never had to many problems
 

are12

Expert Expediter
>I've been reading a few post here and there about how some
>people get a lot sleep and some none, etc. How do the teams
>on here deal with the HOS expediting? I have been told tons
>of times to split the day, one person take 12am-12pm, other
>12pm-12am, what happens on your shift you take care of.
>Problem I had with that is most loads we did picked up at
>6-8pm and were 700 miles. So, my team partner would pick up
>the load and only have to drive it 100-200 miles and I would
>have do the other 500 plus deliver plus get us to a layover
>spot then try to get sleep with a team partner now wide
>awake cause he only works 4 a day and sleeps all night. When
>were running hard I would at most put in 4 hours sleep a day
>as with the old HOS rules I could work 5 then sleep 6, sleep
>another 5 and get 10 hours in a day. Expediting should have
>its own HOS rules. Whats everyone else's thoughts?


My husband and I find it best to run the 10 hours, I drive nights and he takes days but we do adjust it for the shorter loads.
Let's say we are sitting for a day and we get offered a 700 mile run and we are 60 miles out. Jim will drive to the p/u and then he will run another 5-6 hours, then I will drive the rest of the way. That way we are keeping our hours pretty close and one person is not doing most of the driving.
Plus, we do not have set times that we run. It all depends on when we start our day and how tired we are. Since I drive night shift - even when we are sitting - I usually don't go to bed before 0300 so I sleep in in the mornings. Where Jim goes to bed by 1100 and is up at the crack of dawn. If we get a load that picks up late in the afternoon, Jim will drive to the pick up and usually drive for a couple of hours, while I nap. Then I get up and run my 10. By that time, Jim is well rested and ready to take back over.
For us that works, I am a night owl to begin with and love driving the night shift - not so much in the winter time though.:( :(
Hope this helps.
 

nighttrain

Seasoned Expediter
>My husband and I find it best to run the 10 hours, I drive
>nights and he takes days but we do adjust it for the shorter
>loads.
>Let's say we are sitting for a day and we get offered a 700
>mile run and we are 60 miles out. Jim will drive to the p/u
>and then he will run another 5-6 hours, then I will drive
>the rest of the way. That way we are keeping our hours
>pretty close and one person is not doing most of the
>driving.
>Plus, we do not have set times that we run. It all depends
>on when we start our day and how tired we are. Since I drive
>night shift - even when we are sitting - I usually don't go
>to bed before 0300 so I sleep in in the mornings. Where Jim
>goes to bed by 1100 and is up at the crack of dawn. If we
>get a load that picks up late in the afternoon, Jim will
>drive to the pick up and usually drive for a couple of
>hours, while I nap. Then I get up and run my 10. By that
>time, Jim is well rested and ready to take back over.
>For us that works, I am a night owl to begin with and love
>driving the night shift - not so much in the winter time
>though.:( :(
>Hope this helps.

thats how me and the old lead driver did things he loved night driving which i hated
but there were times that it didnt end up doing that i drove nights him days
but it always seemed to me one sometimes would have more drive time than other cause of waiting which it didnt bother us
but it generally worked out the best
i would beat myself up if i didnt get a certain amount of miles drove
on my shift cause i felt i was not doing my job if i didnt get enough miles
but weather,rush hour,construction,accidents sometimes played the part on it
got shut down on a highway in va one night due to a flat bed losing his load and was about 4 hours into drive and sat for almost 5 hours
so i couldnt get much driving in

keep safe everyone
 

Paul56

Seasoned Expediter
We have no hard and fast rule about when we switch, and there are times we are both up front.

In our situation typically when one heads for some sleep they sleep until they naturally wake up, no alarm clocks going off, unless we are both back there and a delivery time is approaching.

Our sleeping area is at the very rear of the sleeper, thus somewhat isolated from the cab.
 

snowball

Seasoned Expediter
In the words of Clint Eastwood, "you have to know your limitations". Be flexable, learn to plan the trip and sleep time. My wife and I did like the old rules of splitting the 10 hours, but with the new rules, plan your stops for showers, or eating on the last two hours of the driver's shift and co-driver's sleep. That is if it is a long trip, a short trip, ie under 12 hours of driving, split it and have fun. And most important, the freight can wait for your safety and log limitations. Do not push the envelope, people die from the push, or you get busted on your logs. A phone call many times can reschedule appointment. Randy Marten from Marten Transport Inc also told his drivers, "Your safety is more important then any piece of frieght".
 
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