Shredded, Scatterd and Gatorred

pearlpro

Expert Expediter
Triple AAA is stating that road temps are over 140 degrees, and tires are being shredded and scattered everywhere, Low Air Pressure is a major cuplrit, but the HEAT is affecting tires more then normal, if your tires look bad it may be time to have them inspected by a tire shop, GATORS are multiplying exponentially on the highways, Im sure youve seen them....Filling Tires with Nitrogen can help with this since Nitrogen doesnt expand and contract like Oxygen does, Ive put Nitrogen in my cars tires and Ive noticed an increase in gas mileage, any body using it in there trucks tires...

TempS of 105 here in St Louis.....BE SAFE MY FREINDS
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
I'm a long-time user and proponent of nitrogen. People who drive 5 or 10 miles a day won't really see much of a benefit, other than not having to fill their tires with air as often. But those who put serious miles on a vehicle will see huge benefits, everything from better fuel mileage to extended tread wear.
 

EasyDoesIt

Active Expediter
How hard is it to find nitrogen on the road? If you have a slow leak can you add air to a tire filled with nitrogen?
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
It's both hard and easy to find nitrogen. Harder if you're in a big truck, much easier in a van. Easiest way I've found is just to ask at a local tire place if they have it, and if they don't they usually know who does. Some places have signs out front, but most don't.

Putting regular air in a tire that had or has nitrogen in it is no problem. A couple if weeks ago I picked up a nail. Caught it on my pretrip. Wasn't leaking, but I was on a load and didn't want to risk it. So after the pickup I went to the nearest tire place to have the tire fixed. They didn't have nitrogen, so they filled it with air. A few days later I happened upon a place with nitrogen and I stopped in and had the tire purged and filled with nitrogen. I could have just as easily gone months with air in the one tire and nitrogen in the others. It's just that with air, you have to be more vigilant about keeping it properly inflated, which is more or less what nitrogen does for you.

For a van tire, it really shouldn't cost more than $5 a tire to fill. Some places charge $10, and that's a little high, but it's not ridiculous. More than $10 would be ridiculous. I bought my tires at Discount Tire, which comes with free nitrogen at the locations that have it. So if I need one refilled because of a leak or repair, they'll do it for free. Same with rotating them, since I run different psi in front and rear tires, so that needs to be adjusted with the proper amount of nitrogen. I think Costco tires come with free nitrogen, too.
 

skyraider

Veteran Expediter
US Navy
When I read the title of this thread, I thought this was gonna be a new Waffle House post on hashbrowns, lmaorof,, ok Im going for coffee ........................sorry
 

zorry

Veteran Expediter
I've run nitrogen in two different trucks.
A few years ago I did a semi and had great luck.
About two years ago I had nitrogen put in at the Petro,New Paris Oh. 1-70 In/Oh line. That truck for no apparent reason didn't do as well. I actually felt alittle bit like I got scammed. Possibly their equipment wasn't,operating,or being operated,properly the day I was there.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
I don't mean to take anything away from what the nitrogen proponents are saying but would like to mention that Diane and I have put a total of over 1,000,000 miles on expediter trucks over the years, have never used nitrogen in our tires and have never left a shredded tire behind (no blowouts, no alligators, etc.). If you buy high-quality products, keep them properly inflated, keep your wheels aligned, and rotate and balance your tires as recommended, they will serve you well.
 
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purgoose10

Veteran Expediter
I don't mean to take anything away from what the nitrogen proponents are saying but would like to mention that Diane and I have put a total of over 1,000,000 miles on expediter trucks over the years, have never used nitrogen in our tires and have never left a shredded tire behind (no blowouts, no alligators, etc.). If you buy high-quality products, keep them properly inflated, keep your wheels aligned, and rotate and balance your tires as recommended, they will serve you well.

That's very true about air pressure and tire wear. The biggest thing about Nitrogen is the tires don't heat up as bad. With Nitrogen your tires won't swell as bad making less resistance rolling down the road, hence better fuel economy.
 

zorry

Veteran Expediter
Tires on expeditors are generally not problematic due to the lite loads. All of what Phil said is good business.
 

twentyhigh

Seasoned Expediter
When I read the title of this thread, I thought this was gonna be a new Waffle House post on hashbrowns, lmaorof,, ok Im going for coffee ........................sorry

Waffle house was my first thought too! Lol. Now I'm hungry..........
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
If you buy high-quality products, keep them properly inflated, keep your wheels aligned, and rotate and balance your tires as recommended, they will serve you well.
That's really all you're doing when you use nitrogen, you're keeping them properly inflated. You're keeping them properly inflated over a wider range of operating temperatures, since nitrogen doesn't heat up as much as air does, and therefore will be properly inflated at the high temps of highway speeds, as well as when you pull off the highway and they cool down for city driving. In other words, the temperature differential between cold tire pressure and the hot tire pressure of highway speeds isn't as much as it is with air in them.

Nitrogen doesn't permeate though rubber as fast as air, so you don't have to constantly check tire pressure and add a pound or two here or there nearly as often. For example, with air in the tires, I checked the the pressure at least weekly and end up adding 1-3 pounds in a week. With nitrogen, doing it weekly I was actually letting more nitrogen out by checking the pressure than was coming out on its own, so with nitrogen I check them every 4-6 weeks, and it works out that every 4-6 weeks I need to add 1-3 pounds.

So, the tires stay properly inflated across a wider temperature range, and for longer periods of time due to nitrogen not leaking out of the tire as fast as air does. The benefits of nitrogen are exactly the same as the benefits of properly inflated and maintained air-filled tires, only you don't have to be as anal with nitrogen as you need to with air to yield the same results of low rolling resistance and thus better fuel and tread wear mileage.

There are other benefits of nitrogen that we don't much see, like nitrogen means little or no moisture inside the tire. That's why aircraft tires use nitrogen, to prevent the water in the tires from freezing at 35,000 feet. Less moisture also means less tire rot, but that's more for someone who has the same tires on their vehicle for 5 years or more.

Nitrogen isn't the cure-all for overheating tires and the ongoing gator problem, proper inflation is. Nitrogen simply helps with that. Nitrogen is not a scam, does no harm, only does good, and is not a waste of money unless you overspend for it. A 50 pound tire uses about thirty-eight cents worth of nitrogen, cost to the dealer. Five bucks for that is fair, considering the cost of the nitrogen generators and the time it takes to put it in. Much more than that and you're being over charged. I've never been charged anything to have it topped off with a few pounds.
 

Brisco

Expert Expediter
I don't mean to take anything away from what the nitrogen proponents are saying but would like to mention that Diane and I have put a total of over 1,000,000 miles on expediter trucks over the years, have never used nitrogen in our tires and have never left a shredded tire behind (no blowouts, no alligators, etc.). If you buy high-quality products, keep them properly inflated, keep your wheels aligned, and rotate and balance your tires as recommended, they will serve you well.

Same here.....with around 750K miles under my belt. Always kept the tires on my Duallys properly maintained with correct PSI, rotated, and balanced, and have never shredded a tire in my life. That included many trips across I-40 through Arizona and New Mexico with the Temp Gauge on my overhead reading 115-118 degrees outside.

And to top that off......most of guys that run 1 ton Duallys with 5-10-15K lbs behind us on average would only get around 100K miles out of a set of tires. Me...Personally.....I averaged a good 140-160K miles on my tires. On my 2004 Dodge Dually......I replaced the original Goodyears when they hit 160K miles.....and then sold all 6 of those "Used" tires to Used Tire Shop for $200 even.

"Nitrogen" is just as Synthetic Oil is.....All Hype.....and aint worth a squat for the extra price they want for it.
 

zorry

Veteran Expediter
I believe Walmart runs nitrogen in their fleet. I don't imagine they would make the effort if it were snake oil.
 

mjmsprt40

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
We're ALL running nitrogen, just some are running more than others. If you put air in your tires, it's about 78% nitrogen, or so they tell me.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
We're ALL running nitrogen, just some are running more than others. If you put air in your tires, it's about 78% nitrogen, or so they tell me.
When you put nitrogen in your tires it's not 100% nitrogen, either. It's between 93-95%. But the difference between 78% and 93% makes a huge difference.

People who have never used nitrogen think it's snake oil. Those who have used it, and paid attention, know and understand its benefits. Those who cannot grasp the benefits of synthetic oi, well, they haven't been paying attention, either.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
People who have never used nitrogen think it's snake oil. Those who have used it, and paid attention, know and understand its benefits. Those who cannot grasp the benefits of synthetic oi, well, they haven't been paying attention, either.

What you say is true but I have had great difficulty convincing my tire mounting specialist to add a quart of synthetic oil to each new tire before it is put on the rim. They do not seem to grasp the concept of opening the bottle. I explain that if the unopened bottle is placed in the tire, a wheel balance issue will develop, but if the synthetic oil is poured into the tire and the bottle is discarded, wheel balance will be no problem at all.

All synthetic oil users know the benefits. How long will it take for the rest of the world to wake up to this important trade secret?

SYNTHETIC OIL USERS UNITE!!!!!
 
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moose

Veteran Expediter
Ever wonder what happened to a trailer tire with a self inflated system on ?
when a fully loaded truck is parked for the night in W.Y & the temp @ 40* in high altitude, the system will air up the tire to the needed 120Psi.
10 hours later crossing the N.V stretch the temp reached 110* plus a boiling asphalt.
& that's how alligators shells .
 

zorry

Veteran Expediter
I use a Monitoring System called the pressure pro. It sends a wireless signal to an incab display.
About three weeks ago I was running into Dallas to deliver and had a customer waiting to ship a radioactive load.
We were behind schedule when we started.
On a two lane road I got an alarm that mi 110 lb tire was down to 91 lbs.
The system showed me which tire. I found a safe place to pull over and determined I could safely make it to a repair shop.
I drove to the shop, repaired the tire,and thanks to Texas speed limits made the delivery on time.
I wouldn't have stopped without the alert,and probably would have lost a high end tire prior to my arrival in Dallas.
This is the same system Caffee uses. I bought it for my first sent of X-Ones in 2004.
Right now I can press a button and see that my 8 drives are all between 111 and 114 right now.
Pressure Pro TPM. A wise investment.
 
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