Sharing Your Photos on EO

RichM

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
I would think it's best to ask permission from the driver and also make sure the truck is empty. With all of the heightened security these days a truck could have a high value art load,a pharmaceutical load,or a sensitive government load. If the drivers got nervous and hit their panic button to alert their dispathers and the DDPS folks that someone was taking a photo of their truck,the photographer might wind up with some major explaining to do.

One time we were being followed and used the panic button at a rest area off I85 in Georgia. Within 2 minutes we has GA State Troopers around us. Turned out the car following us was a test vehicle from Anniston AL to determine if we noticed them and what our actions were going to be.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
If I saw a cool truck entering or leaving a sensitive area, I would not take photos of it because I would not want to come under suspicion myself. If I was carrying certain kinds of sensitive or high-value freight and someone was photographing the truck, I would consider it a threat and immediately report that suspicious activity along with a description of the photographer and his or her vehicle. If I saw a cool truck that I wanted to photograph and the driver was present, I would ask permission to shoot the truck. If the driver was not present and the truck was parked in a public area (whether on private property or not), I'd shoot the truck with no concern about that being an improper action.

Greg raises some points worth thinking about but nothing that should change the behavior of people who take photos of trucks and post them online. Common courtesy and sense extended to the people or objects you are shooting should keep you in the clear.

Yet, photos lend themselves to a variety of interpretations. Offering false information about what is going on in the photo could be a serious and even actionable offense.

For example, suppose you took the photo of our truck shown below. The back door is open. Highway Patrol car is next to the truck. Did ATeam get in trouble? Is the truck being searched? Did they get caught smuggling immigrants in reefer-conditioned comfort? Post all the pictures you want, but be responsible in what you say about them. All you can say for certain about the photo is that a patrol car is parked near our truck and the truck back door is open.

The real story is we were parked in an RV parking area at an Arizona gas station. I was in back washing the floor. A trooper was curious about the truck and expediting. She came by to ask questions. Diane gave her a truck tour. The two ladies with wind-blown hair hit it off. See photo two.
 

Paul56

Seasoned Expediter
Ateam,

You asked in another thread if I would post pictures of our rig... I will answer here.

I would be happy to oblige... proud even; however, given the nature of most loads we carry it would be very irresponsible of me to make images of the rig freely available.

Once images leave our possession we lose control over where they end up. I'm not going to make it easy for someone who wants to target us by providing an image from which we can be easily identified.

Call me paranoid. :+
 

easyrider2697

Expert Expediter
>Ateam,
>
>You asked in another thread if I would post pictures of our
>rig... I will answer here.
>
>I would be happy to oblige... proud even; however, given the
>nature of most loads we carry it would be very irresponsible
>of me to make images of the rig freely available.
>
>Once images leave our possession we lose control over where
>they end up. I'm not going to make it easy for someone who
>wants to target us by providing an image from which we can
>be easily identified.
>
>Call me paranoid. :+


Good point?!
 

easyrider2697

Expert Expediter
Well lets see if it works? (Pre-Panther buyout picture)

Picture of vehicle and vehicle is mine, copyrighted by me, and not to be reproduced or displayed without consent of owner (me).

That should cover all the legal junk right??
 

are12

Expert Expediter
Thanks, A Team, for sharing that website on downsizing photo's!! I actually got it to work!!
 

wallytrucker1

Expert Expediter
Jeeze, they're just trucks. You guys act as though you are trying to take video on the clothing optional deck on the cruise ship. Now those girls are very sensitive, some with good reason:p :D :D
 

ebinrich

Seasoned Expediter
ATeam and all,

Keep posting those photos. I don't know what is in those trucks being photographed, and I don't care. Trucks are a public art form; and if truck exteriors were a security issue, all trucks would be required to have no distinguishing features including colors, company logos, and identification numbers. The security issue is about what is being hauled, and your photos do not show us anything about what is being hauled. Any truck can be hauling a sensitive load, but the contents are independent of what the truck exterior looks like. The real security danger comes when a driver states in public that the majority of their loads are high value, and that statement is far more information than any exterior photo will tell. The old saying does not go--"Pretty pictures sink ships."

eb
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
In general, anyone or anything in public view, whether on public or private property, with no expectation of privacy, with no expectation of photographs not being taken, is fair game when it comes to being photographed. Certainly, with all the security cameras in use today, no one can have a reasonable expectation of photographs not being taken of a truck stop parking lot.

Except in special circumstances (certain government facilities), there are no laws prohibiting the taking of photographs on public or private property. If you can be there, you can take pictures there - streets, malls, parking lots, office buildings. You do not need permission to do so, even on private property.

The logic, and the application of the law, is quite simple: If you can be there you can take photographs there, and even if you can't be there, but you can see there, you can photograph it.

Trespassing laws apply. If a property owner demands you leave, you must. But if a place is open to the public — a mall, office-building lobby, etc. — permission to enter is assumed (although it can be revoked). If on private property and the property owner tells you to stop taking photographs, you must comply with his wishes, even if he doesn't revoke permission for you to be there. If you are on private property, say, a truck stop, and are taking pictures of a truck on the lot and the truck owner tells you to stop taking photos of his truck, you are under no obligation to stop unless the owner of the truck stop tells you to stop. That would make you a Trucker Stalkerazzi. hehe

A property owner can prohibit you from taking pictures while on his property, but he cannot prohibit you from taking photographs of his property from a public place, as long as you don't take any "exceptional measures" to get the photograph (things such as extreme telephoto lenses, standing on a ladder to get above the hedge, etc.).

In terms of the law, trespass and photography are separate events; the former is illegal, but the latter is not. Only if the use of photographic equipment itself violates a person’s privacy (e.g., by using a long lens to look into someone’s private room) might it violate privacy law.

While people have a right of privacy, businesses do not except as it relates to trade secrets.

I picked up once at a Harley test facility at Talladaga and a guard casually mentioned the problems they have during race week with people coming over and taking photographs through the fence at the Harley facility. I just smiled, because I know that it's not against the law to take photographs in situations like that. Standing just outside the fence at the Harley facility puts you on property that is not owned by Harley Davidson, so whatever you can see from there you can photograph from there. Businesses that have an expectation to privacy as it relates to trade secrets are also obligated to protect and secure those trade secrets from public view.

Photographers can publish any photograph they take, with certain rare exceptions, regardless of whether the photograph was obtained legally or illegally. Whether you can take or publish a photograph is to be found amongst the various privacy laws, but the generally accepted and enforced "Four Prongs" of those should be followed.

Prong 1 (while gathering) - Unreasonable intrusion upon seclusion (trespass, unreasonable measures)

Prong 2 (if published): Unreasonable revelation of private facts (medical information)

Prong 3 (if published): Unreasonably placing another person in a false light before the public

Prong 4 (if published): Misappropriation of a person’s name or likeness

Violating any of the above 4 prongs and you are open to criminal and/or civil problems. You can even go as far as publishing a coffee table book of trucks you have photographed, and you don't have to obtain permission from a single truck owner to do it. However, if you place one of those pictures on the cover of the book, you'd better get permission for that one, cause it falls under a couple of the prongs related to trademark and copyright laws, as well as misappropriating the likeness of private property (the truck)as being an endorsement and willing participant in your book.

Probably the most important factor in taking and publishing pictures of trucks is just to use common sense. It's been touched upon, but it's probably the only thing that could get you into trouble here, and that is to not misrepresent the truck (or the driver or the owner) in a bad light by using a false or misleading caption or description, which would open you up to libel. Other than that, unless it's relevant to the story or the photograph, I think out of courtesy I'd obliterate truck and license plate numbers.

The only other one I'd be careful of is Prong 2 above, unreasonable revelation of private facts, and only then if you photograph a truck where you can see people inside the truck, as through the windows. I mean, I'd hate to photograph a truck where you can plainly see the husband a wife team in there, only to have it be a husband and girlfriend team, one of which is unknown to both the carrier and the spouse at home watching it all unfold on the computer.
 

nightcreacher

Veteran Expediter
over rhe years I've had many pics taken of my trucks,and in most cases,the people would ask permission,I've even had videoes taken in manhatten.People from foreign countries have never seen a big truck,and like to take many pics
 
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