Setting up a shipment with a carrier.

Bruno

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
US Marines
Hello Everyone

After reading a post about FedEx Custom Critical. I feel that a picture needs to be painted so everyone can understand better why a carrier does things. In that post I feel FedEx Custom Critical did nothing wrong. People need to look at it from a business stand point. Lets see what it is like when a customer calls in to set up a shipment and what can happen when things go wrong.


The customer calls in to FedEx Custom Critical at 2 pm.

The Customer:

Hello this is Bill from ABC Auto Parts. I would like to set up a shipment at our Oak creek, Wi Plant for tomorrow at 8 am.

FedEx agent:

What size of unit are you looking for?

The Customer:

Well, we will have one skid 48X48X40 for sure at 800 lbs, but we may have a total of two at 1600 lbs.

FedEx Agent:

We can put this shipment on a B Unit to save you money. A B-unit floor space is up to 8.5 feet of space with up to 2500 lbs. Is this okay.

The customer:

Yes

FedEx Agent:

Where is the shipment going too?

The customer:

Its going to the GM plant in Atlanta, Ga.

FedEx Agent:

Okay, the shipment is 797 miles and with a 8 am pickup. We can have your shipment at the drop off by 3:45 am the next morning is that okay?

The Customer:

They don't take freight at that time, they start taking delivery's at 8 am.

FedEx Agent:

Okay, we can set that up right now for $1426.23. Do you want to set up this shipment?

The Customer:

Yes.

FedEx Agent.

Okay your order is set up and here is your order number of 20110101. We will e-mail you the unit number that is picking up this shipment. Thank you for calling FedEx Custom Critical.

The Customer:

Thank you and have a great day.

Now the agents has to get the run covered with a B unit team or a solo with a transfer half way to keep both van drivers happy. The agent looks and see's that there is a B-Unit team sitting in Oak Creek, Wi. three miles from the pick up. The offer is sent out to the truck and the B-unit team accepts the load.

The next morning the van team is at the pick up on time at goes into the shipping office to find out the they are picking up two skids at 1800lbs. The team calls FedEx and says this is not the load we accepted. This load is two skids. The FedEx agent says this is what the customer called in and your unit can do the load. Based on your floor space you have 110 inchs of space and the freight is 96 inches long. We can't do this load safely because we have no place to sleep.

Now remind you that this team goes on EO and posts they one can stay up and drive 36 to 48 hours with no sleep safely. But can't do a 20 hour run safely. Now lets look at what could have happened if this team refused to pick up the shipment. They said that FedEx forced them to do this load, which I disagree on this one. Lets say that this customer ships 4 to 5 loads a week with FedEx CC. Now the driver is saying this is not the shipment that we was offered and we aren't picking this up and leave the pickup. Now the agent has to find another unit and there is no units with 300 miles of this pickup. So FedEx has to call another carrier in to pick up this shipment for them or maybe risk losing this customer. So lets say FedEx calls Panther and Panther says they can do the shipment for $1500.00 all in. FedEx is now taking a lost on the shipment of $73.77 because they don't want to lose this customers business.

So they call the customer up and tell them that the driver unit can't do the load and they are sending in another unit. So the Panther unit goes into the shipper and says he is here to pick the load going to the Gm Plant in Atlanta, Ga. The shipper says who is Panther Expedite because we have never heard of Panther. The driver gives the shipper a magnet with Panther phone number and info and saying " We can do your shipments cheaper than FedEx". Now the shipper has the number to another carrier to call. When I was on the road I would do this all the time. Cups, Hats, Magnets, Pens and so on. Your best sales force is your drivers, plus it's free. So the Panther driver picks up the freight and gets to the consignee on time.

Now the damage has been done. The shipper will remember it was a Panther driver that came in an picked up that freight the last time and got it to their customer on time. Plus the driver said that Panther can do it cheaper. So who is the shipper going to call the next time? Panther not FedEx because of one drivers actions. I'm sure this has happen many times over the years at FedEx and Panther. Now the customer did almost $400,000.00 a year in business with you that was just lost. Would you keep this Team? Nope.

Now this didn't happen and this story was made up. But it can happen. I have learned that sometimes people can get upset in the heat of the moment. I have done it myself and have learned that things don't always work out the way you want them too. If this had been me and another driver in a van I would have picked up the freight and slept in the jump seat. If this had happened the team would have lost about $900.00 of income.

Just something to think about the next time you call your carrier being mad at a pickup.
 
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Bruno

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
US Marines
Thank you, Bruno, for the clearest, most detailed example of the how and why of...that whole other thread. :)

You just have to look at things from a business stand point. It's business nothing personal.
 

x06col

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US Army
But Bruno, most don't care. It's all about ME. But, tanks for typing and tinking up all that. (Might)??? get to some. Doubt it tho.
 

Bruno

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Fleet Owner
US Marines
But Bruno, most don't care. It's all about ME. But, tanks for typing and tinking up all that. (Might)??? get to some. Doubt it tho.

There are some that care. Bob and Linda Caffee, and Ateam and his wife are people that share the same thoughts on this I hope.
 

jansiemoo

Seasoned Expediter
You just have to look at things from a business stand point. It's business nothing personal.

Also a very important point is that (with Fed) you CAN refuse the load if it changes, but if you left the freight at the dock, expect to find a new carrier.
Fed thrives on professionalism, appearance, and maintaining superior customer service (aka: the purple promise). It's why they often cost more. (Yeah, I sound like a recruiter, I'm even embarrassed.)
 

Bruno

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
US Marines
Also a very important point is that (with Fed) you CAN refuse the load if it changes, but if you left the freight at the dock, expect to find a new carrier.
Fed thrives on professionalism, appearance, and maintaining superior customer service (aka: the purple promise). It's why they often cost more. (Yeah, I sound like a recruiter, I'm even embarrassed.)

Naw, we all take pride in the carrier we are lease on with. We have our 10 trucks leased on with Panther. Panther has been very good to us and we love it. Things can get stressful at any carrier. I loved my time with FedEx Custom Critical too. Have people there that I still think of as friends. I have some great people at Panther that I deal with all the time. Sometimes I can be a PITA. But for the most part we are in it for the long haul and have made a commitment to Panther Expedite for many years to come.
 

x06col

Veteran Expediter
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Retired Expediter
US Army
There are some that care. Bob and Linda Caffee, and Ateam and his wife are people that share the same thoughts on this I hope.

Yabut, yer preaching to the choir there. What bout the rest, tink they got it?
 

davekc

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Fleet Owner
Yabut, yer preaching to the choir there. What bout the rest, tink they got it?

Probably not. That is why you now have so many companies.
They will do what they can to benefit from any short comings the larger carriers may have. Just have to look around.
 

Bruno

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
US Marines
Probably not. That is why you now have so many companies.
They will do what they can to benefit from any short comings the larger carriers may have. Just have to look around.

I would agree 100% with Davekc on that. When I started in this business there was Roberts Express, TNT Olex, CTX, Pronto, Tri-state, and Landstar. Panther was around but I didn't know it.
 

nightcreacher

Veteran Expediter
In 1996 I had a truck on with Roberts Express and Panther ll .Since was loosing my azz at Panther,took truck off and brought it to Roberts.I think Roberts,Panther ll and CTX were the only expediters that were useing tractors at the time.
 

TeamCaffee

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Owner/Operator
Each and every customer is our number one priority and no matter what they ship on our truck we treat their freight as if it is the most precious item we have ever picked up. We might never see that customer again BUT they need to stay in our customer base not another companies. If we get upset with a customer that is between us and FedEx not us and the customer.

The customer sees us as the face of the company and we want them to see us at our best each and every time. We strive to deliver the Purple Promise each time we drive onto a customers lot even if that means gritting our teeth at times.

Very good post Dave ...
 

nightcreacher

Veteran Expediter
Also a very important point is that (with Fed) you CAN refuse the load if it changes, but if you left the freight at the dock, expect to find a new carrier.
Fed thrives on professionalism, appearance, and maintaining superior customer service (aka: the purple promise). It's why they often cost more. (Yeah, I sound like a recruiter, I'm even embarrassed.)
The only way if a load changes that you can refuse it,If you were a D truck,picking up a D load,and the load became a van load or C load,and the rate of pay dropped,you could refuse it.Other than that,you may be in jeopardy of loosing your lease
 

jansiemoo

Seasoned Expediter
The only way if a load changes that you can refuse it,If you were a D truck,picking up a D load,and the load became a van load or C load,and the rate of pay dropped,you could refuse it.Other than that,you may be in jeopardy of loosing your lease

Thanks for clarifying. I was once given the option to not take a load that was originally a well paying <75, that turned into a not as attractive 400 mile run. I was at FedEx Freight, ready to load when it changed. We were ticked, but let fedex know we were unhappy on the phone, and took it anyway, as the nearest liftgate truck needed wouldn't have been able to make the original delivery time. They call that 'servicing the customer'.
 

Dreamer

Administrator Emeritus
Charter Member
Thanks for a good explanation there Dave.

Am I a perfect contractor? Heck no... but it seems common sense has gone out the door nowadays.

It's very simple to me. You either have your own authority as The Col and others have done, or you run for a company, as many of us do. Sure, there are loads we refuse, but if you choose to run for a company... you need to do things they want ya to do... now I"m not sayin screw yourself over for the benefit of the company... but do what they need! Big things, yeah.. fight over LOL... but little stuff? Come on.....

Oh I'm gonna get in trouble here... LOL.. but your relationship with a carrier is like a marriage. You gotta pick your battles, and don't sweat the small stuff!


Dale
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Dave (bruno) it is a good explanation but not what I experienced, it seems to be a bit more simplified.

I had FedEx haul something for the owner where I park my truck and I went through a entirely different experience.

This info was the last call made.

First they didn't mention B or D or CR unit. They mentioned a "truck" until the load was booked.

Second I was offered three options, one was "personalized service" with an exclusive use vehicle matched to my load size and my needs.

Third I inquired about a van which I got this "we do offer a smaller size vehicle but the cost of that vehicle for your shipment may be too high ..." and explained what a van in their fleet does.

That shipment went dock to dock by Freight because it was the best fit but out of the 6 or 7 shipments of these things out of that place (all FedEx), Express, Ground and Freight handled most of them with CC on one.

In January I booked a load for had some Ferrari race engine which went via Freight and CC to some place in NC. Freight picked it up and they cross docked it to a CC van which got it there by the next morning. The intake person said this was the best way to get it there and it was only $400 more than freight taking it all the way with a 12 hour delay.

The intake person explained this "solution" worked for the customer, how it gets handled and how I can track the shipment - which I did. I also got a call from a CC dispatcher when there was a question about the crating of the engine. She was very good about the customer end of things by the way.

There is a lot of other details I can provide, but don't want to take from Dave a good explanation.

Remember FedEx is not an expediting company, they are a package shipping solutions company. Their vast fleet is diverse enough to provide all kinds of solutions for their customers but with that said, CC is such a small part of that BIG picture and their system that many assume is in the hands of Green is not and built around the fleet where the real money is made.
 
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