Serious Problem

[layoutshooter]

Nah ....


Yup ... when it comes to anything related to the empire, they mostly serve as mouthpieces for the State ... either the politicos or bureaucrats ... depending on what it involves ....


Not much in the way real investigative journalists left ...

Too bad. They have very fertile ground. They could work from now till doomsday and never expose all the 'stuff' that is going on these days.

As I have said for years, Pravda would be proud.

As to my original post, we REALLY need one to look into what is going on. Which is why I posted this. To TRY to bring SOME attention to the 'program' at Ft. Lewis.

 

[Pilgrim]

I was NOT defending Bales. I do know that one, he should have never been in the military. Two, should not have done 3 other combat deployments. After having done those deployments, being wounded twice, he should have been taken of the the line unit that he should have never been in the first place. Once on those 'listed' psychotropic drugs, which are 'listed' because they are KNOWN to increase the risk of certain types of violent break downs, he should have not been in combat.

It's not unheard of for certain military recruiters to cut corners and pull strings to get somebody into the service who's character is less than noble - these recruiters are under intense pressure to sign up warm bodies. Of course this problem is exacerbated by the Obama administration's attitude toward the military and its efforts to reduce its size and quality.

Even if somebody like Bales slips through the cracks, there should be fail-safes in place such as psychiatric evaluations to determine whether or not he should even be given assignments that involve high levels of stress. Sometimes people like him slip through these cracks too - really, it happens all the time in business, private industry and most civilian life. But what shouldn't be happening is three and four back-to-back deployments to hot combat zones, regardless of whether or not the individual is having physical and/or mental problems.

However, here again is another indication of the less-than-optimum levels of manpower in the military resulting from the policies of Barack Hussein Obama as Commander in Chief. The ruination of the U.S. military is just one of the many things he's doing in fulfilling his pledge to "transform" the very nature of our country. The American people had better wake up and vote this guy out of office in November, and also start putting pressure on their elected representatives to start fixing the problems like the ones we're seeing in our military hospitals.

 

[layoutshooter]

There are MANY problems that need solved in and with the military. ALL of those problems are due to problems that are caused by the civilian leadership, or lack there of.

I want people to become aware of what is going on at Ft. Lewis.

 

[witness23]

There are MANY problems that need solved in and with the military. ALL of those problems are due to problems that are caused by the civilian leadership, or lack there of.

I want people to become aware of what is going on at Ft. Lewis.

Then quit blaming and whining about Obama and maybe you could generate some intellecutual dialogue about the issue you so passionately want people to become aware of. Because Lord know's there is plenty of blame to go around.

 

[layoutshooter]

Then quit blaming and whining about Obama and maybe you could generate some intellecutual dialogue about the issue you so passionately want people to become aware of. Because Lord know's there is plenty of blame to go around.

Nice try, didn't work.

Maybe you should go to Walter Reed and find out what is going on and why. I don't need to go there, I have already seen the results.

Read back in this thread and you find comments from someone who IS at Walter Reed and has seen EXACTLY what I am talking about. Nothing I have stated is wrong or out of line.

You can choose to try to continue to cause trouble in here, OR, you can look into this and try to end this program that is causing great harm to your fellow vets.


What's next? Make it quick, I have to leave to set up the hall for the Ducks Unlimited Dinner that takes place tomorrow.

 

[Pilgrim]

Then quit blaming and whining about Obama and maybe you could generate some intellecutual dialogue about the issue you so passionately want people to become aware of. Because Lord know's there is plenty of blame to go around.

It's not "whining" to point out the shortcomings of the pipsqueak POTUS and the results of his misguided military policies. Also, the blame doesn't need to be spread around because the problems start with his intent to gut the military - he's the CIC and the primary source of the problems.

 

[RLENT]

Too bad. They have very fertile ground. They could work from now till doomsday and never expose all the 'stuff' that is going on these days.

Yup.

As I have said for years, Pravda would be proud.

Spot on.

As to my original post, we REALLY need one to look into what is going on. Which is why I posted this. To TRY to bring SOME attention to the 'program' at Ft. Lewis.

Absolutely agree .... the issue that you raise about the psychotropic drugging is very real .... and very bad stuff.

 

[witness23]

It's not "whining" to point out the shortcomings of the pipsqueak POTUS and the results of his misguided military policies. Also, the blame doesn't need to be spread around because the problems start with his intent to gut the military - he's the CIC and the primary source of the problems.

This has been going on for 10 years!!!! It's not the first time this has come up and it certainly won't be the last. It has reared it's ugly head again because of the shooting by Bales. The article from yahoo that layout posted was revealing the issues on PTSD and how it has been ignored, mis-diagnosed or reversed.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Army has started a system-wide review to ensure its mental healthcare facilities are not engaging in the "unacceptable" practice of considering treatment costs in making a diagnosis, Army Secretary John McHugh told a U.S. Senate hearing on Wednesday.

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The review being carried out by the Army inspector general aims to ensure that standardized diagnostic procedures are followed by all psychiatrists "and equally important that fiscal considerations are not in any way a part of the evaluations," McHugh said. "It's simply unacceptable."

It may or may not be because of "fiscal" reasons. They could just be inept. You know, just like drivers, we all drive under the same regulations and are asked to do the same thing, but some drivers are better at than others. Or some companies are better than others.

If those procedures aren't being followed and they find out its in part because of "fiscal" considerations and the Obama administration doesn't do anything about it, then rant and rave all you want about Obama, Clinton, Carter or whatever other Democrat President you can think of until the cows come home.

 

[Pilgrim]

This has been going on for 10 years!!!! It's not the first time this has come up and it certainly won't be the last. It has reared it's ugly head again because of the shooting by Bales. The article from yahoo that layout posted was revealing the issues on PTSD and how it has been ignored, mis-diagnosed or reversed.

Agreed, but at this point it doesn't matter what past presidents did or didn't do. Obama is in the position to make changes, and the only ones he's implementing are bad. He's not doing anything to address the problems that LOS brought up or make the military more attractive to quality recruits.

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[layoutshooter]

"This has been going on for 10 years!!!! It's not the first time this has come up and it certainly won't be the last. It has reared it's ugly head again because of the shooting by Bales. The article from yahoo that layout posted was revealing the issues on PTSD and how it has been ignored, mis-diagnosed or reversed."


This is some what incorrect. The 'program' I am speaking up was instituted, at Ft. Lewis, less than a year ago. It is an Army only program. The orders on it included cutting costs. There was an outside "forensic psychology' team hired. They could, and did override Army diagnosed problems.

I am well aware that there are problems with the system diagnosing too many etc. As it is now far too many are beings sent back into combat in a condition that is dangerous to the soldier, his team members and civilians in the area.

I also did NOT post this because of SSGT Bales, I was aware of this a long time ago and this article pointing out a few things I could shed a little light on. I see it, it is personal.