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Moot

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It was a joke, because, oddly enough, not all of them require a college degree. You learn a lot of life lessons and a lot of lessons about people when you're on college long enough to get a degree, lessons that I think a lot of cops are lacking.
One also learns a lot of life lessons and a lot about people while working in the real world, interacting with all of society and not just the people on a somewhat cloistered college campus. Lessons that I think a lot of college kids are lacking.
 

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College kids really aren't expected to have those kinds of life experiences yet. But several studies have confirmed that cops with college degrees make better cops than those without. Interestingly, the type of degree matters, though. But only something like 5% of the police departments around the country require college degrees, because who wants to go to college for 4 years and then become a cop for no money?

One study in Florida, as reported by USA Today, in "an analysis of disciplinary cases against Florida cops from 1997 to 2002, the International Association of Chiefs of Police found that officers with only high school educations were the subjects of 75% of all disciplinary actions. Officers with four-year degrees accounted for 11% of such actions.”
Police Chief Magazine published. Cops without higher education receive a much higher incidence of citizen complaints.

Police Chief Magazine similarly published findings from a study of the St Paul Police Department from September 1999-September 2002, that shows officers with bachelor of arts degrees performed on par with officers who had well over 10 years’ additional experience. When looking at the graphs on that page, it's important to keep in mind that all of the officers with no college education (high school only) were hired before 1982, so all of the "No College Degree" folks are cops with at least 17 years of experience.
 

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John Elliot should be proud: Mark Zuckerberg paraphrased the Load One slogan for the occasion, lol: "The future belongs to people like Ahmed." :D
I sure hope so.
 
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Aaaand, proving he's way smarter than the people who are supposedly educating him, Mohammed has just announced he won't return to the school that failed him. Good call, IMO.
 
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Moot

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College kids really aren't expected to have those kinds of life experiences yet.
What kind of life experiences aren't they expected to have? The a lot of life lessons and a lot of lessons about people kind of life experiences or some other type of life experiences?


But several studies have confirmed that cops with college degrees make better cops than those without.
Except in St. Paul.


But only something like 5% of the police departments around the country require college degrees, because who wants to go to college for 4 years and then become a cop for no money?
One of the reasons only 5% of police departments require college degrees is because such a requirement severely limits the pool of potential candidates and it costs them more. Jobs that require college degrees or certain amounts of training or experience generally pay more than jobs that don't have these requirements. My son makes $34.74/hour or $72,259 base annual pay. Then there is also overtime pay. He enjoys his job and the pay ain't bad either. I think our investment in his college education was worth it.
 

muttly

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And some soooooh want to try to convince people that there isn't any possible way that this homemade clock could any way imaginable be mistaken as a bomb . Brought to High School by an incoming Freshman,who just started at his new school around a couple weeks ago. A student, that his new teachers at his new school weren't familiar with, brings it into another class. The Engineering teacher ,who he showed it to, told him it wouldn't be a good idea to let them see it. Most likely because they would think it looks like a homemade bomb in a case, like most people.
 

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It's kind of like the way that some soooooh want to try to convince people that there isn't any possible way that islamophobia in any way imaginable played a role in the moronic idiocy that ensured.

Brought to High School by an incoming Freshman,that just started at his new school around a couple weeks prior. A student that his new teachers at his new school weren't familiar with brings it into another class after the Engineering teacher ,who he showed it to, told him it wouldn't be a good idea to let them see it Most likely because they would think it looks like a homemade bomb in a case, like most people.
You're tying to make the case in favor of moronic idiocy.

Ahmed Mohamed was mistreated by imbeciles, and he’ll be famous for it. The fact is that he is not worse off because his name is Mohamed, but ironically better off because of it. Nobody would be paying attention otherwise, and he might very well be in jail. Being mistreated by imbeciles is the essential condition of American public education today, but that fact is of political use only periodically, as in this case.

Islamophobes, so as not to appear islamophobic, will go to great lengths to make the case for officials doing a great job, being extraordinarily responsible, erring on the side of caution and safety, pointing out how easily the clock could be mistaken for a bomb. They point out that 'brown Arab-looking Muslim name' had nothing whatsoever to do with it, but by doing so, in a classic "doth protest too much" endeavor, they are actually pointing out that 'brown Arab-looking Muslim name' had everything to do with it. At the same time, without trying to, they are celebrating imbeciles and the moronic idiocy of imbeciles. These are the same imbeciles who would cap themselves if they ever peeked inside a computer case, or removed the back cover of their phone.


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"Briefcase" used to build "bomb"


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The "bomb"

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muttly

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There should be a national poll and ask people if they think that the briefcase sized pencil case with a bunch of wires, looks in any way like a bomb. Those who say a large majority of people wouldn't think so, are being dishonest.

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There should be a national poll and ask people if they think that the briefcase sized pencil case with a bunch of wires, looks in any way like a bomb. Those who say a large majority of people wouldn't think so, are being dishonest.
OK, now you're starting to come off looking like Ahmad's teachers. "Briefcase sized pencil case"? Seriously? The only briefcase sized pencil case anyone will ever see is one carried by a door-to-door pencil salesman who needs it to carry 973 different kinds of pencils. It's not a briefcase sized pencil case, it's a pencil sized pencil case. That's why it's called a pencil case and not a briefcase.

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Blog alert...Blog alert. Cat woman themed left wing blogs featuring Doktor Zoom and Left Wing 'talking points' & cherry picking blogs abound. Oh, my! :eek:
 

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Ok, fine. It isn't the exact size of 'typical sized' briefcase, but they do make smaller briefcases.
TZ Case 8.5" Small Aluminum Briefcase Package Case PKG08
It isn't the size of an 'atypical sized' briefcase, either. It's the size of a typical pencil case, though, constructed in the style of a briefcase. You first saw the picture and thought, "It's in a briefcase! Looks like a briefcase bomb!" And even posted that sentiment here. You seem to be trying extraordinarily hard. Googling for "tiny briefcases that look like real, actual briefcases in pictures" is part of that whole "going to great lengths" that I mentioned earlier, going to great lengths to explain and excuse moronic idiocy so as to make the islamophobes in Irving, TX, and by extension yourself, not look like islamophobes. The only difference is, you jumped to conclusions based on a picture, the teachers and the police actually held the pencil case in their hand. Your conclusions can be dismissed, theirs cannot.

Regardless, the case was large enough to hold a bomb.
So is a key fob, and a matchbox, and everything else that you can put something inside of.

And with wires in it, would appear to most people that it could be a bomb.
Well, as people in general are pretty friggin' stupid, you might be right. The morons, imbeciles and idiots of the world (the US especially) mostly believe there are three kinds of electronic things in the world: Apple products, bombs and hoax bombs. But I promise you, there are more than three categories. It's possible to build something with electronic components that isn't an Apple product, or a bomb, or even a hoax bomb, as shocking as that may be some people.

Here's a good rule of thumb to keep in mind when you see something with electronic parts - it’s only likely a bomb if it has, like, you know, something that can actually blow up.

You don’t have to be an electrical engineer to just know some very basic things. Look for components that do something (LEDs, speakers, lights, displays), a power source (battery, transformer, etc) and try not to panic. Not all electronic parts put together=bomb. Your actual chances of encountering a bomb are TINY. In fact, your chances are so tiny that unless you see something connected to wires that you know for sure is explosive or incendiary, you can confidently conclude right then and there it is not a bomb.

The fact that the police even seriously thought about, much less discussed out loud, that they considered charging this kid with constructing a "hoax bomb" should make you seriously consider the sanity and the critical thinking abilities of those sworn to uphold and enforce the law. Using that kind of thinking requires them to arrest every teacher and student with a smartphone for being in possession of bomb making materials. No one at the school even asked his engineering teacher about the clock, even after he told them he'd had seen it. They just assumed bomb and called the police. Because... imbeciles. They acted like someone would who tried to get someone arrested for solicitation, because they believe only prostitutes wear high heels and short skits. They didn't err on the side of caution, they erred on the side of stoopid.

People who are defending that must also then defend the actions of teaches and police for the Pop-Tart gun. Because they are equally stupid and for the same reasons.
 
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I find it interesting that the Texas crowd has been quiet on this matter. :wideyed:
For many of them it's hard. They very much want to object to Muslim kids bringing scary bomb-looking things to school, while at the same time advocate bringing guns to school. It's a thin, tricky line, that one. :D
 
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