It would be nice if the ACLU actualy stood up for honest hard working americans.
A.C.L.U. get involved???? Only if he is a convicted murderer or child molester.
Bob Wolf.
Scary, VERY Scary
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It would be nice if the ACLU actualy stood up for honest hard working americans.
A.C.L.U. get involved???? Only if he is a convicted murderer or child molester.
Bob Wolf.
Would someone show me in the constitution where it says anything about age that you cannot speak what is on your mind, show me what page please.............Freedom of speech - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
Regardless if the kid said it calmly or loudly, he was still disrespecting an officer. And like I said, it was so minor an incident, I wonder if the officer realized he was on his period, cause he certainly acted like his mangina was irritated.
Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
Where would you have this kid learn respect? He's definitely not learning it at home, cause he's definitely not using it at school. As was said earlier, it's the parents' fight, not the kids.
You might think that's awful cool that a 14 year old is practicing rights he doesn't have yet, on teachers and LEOs. In the next thread, you ***** about how people are so disrespectful... especially kids. Well, which is it, LOS? How did you raise your kids? To mouth off to cops and teachers?
Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
Sorry... 14 year olds who mouth off to authority are punks, not men.
Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
Certainly. As soon as you show me where it says kids can say FU to their parents, because of the 1st Amendment.
Apples and oranges, Sky. You are entrusting the schools to take care of your kid(s). You give them permission to make rules, and expect the kids to obey them. They are IN CHARGE of said kids. Parents have no backbone anymore. They let their kids walk over them, so it's natural for the kids to try to walk over other authority figures.
This is a case where all sides were in the wrong. IMO, the kid's parents should've been called to come and pick up the kid, and talk with the principal. Instead, they use a much heavier hand than is needed. All authority figures involved were wimps, unless some part was omitted, showing the cop had cause to cuff the kid.
Monty
Expert Expediter
First, at the age of 14, children have NO rights, they have privileges.
Had I have been that kid, my Mother would have made ****ed sure I understood, "Do as you are told." Fact may have been SHE would have marched down to the school herself and argued my case. But I was indeed taught to respect, and obey, my elders.
My Mother's strongest statement to me was, "Do not embarrass me."
The matter's y'all are discussing here are matter's of adults. Not a child.
Had I have been that kid, my Mother would have made ****ed sure I understood, "Do as you are told." Fact may have been SHE would have marched down to the school herself and argued my case. But I was indeed taught to respect, and obey, my elders.
My Mother's strongest statement to me was, "Do not embarrass me."
The matter's y'all are discussing here are matter's of adults. Not a child.
So if this child was arrested, as the story states, is he not at that point being treated as an adult? What about other 14 yr olds tried as adults in court? Do Miranda rights apply? So many questions.
I've been trying to figure out how this is scary, very scary. I was at a loss. Then, I came across this:
15-year-old Rylee MacKay, a student at Hurricane Middle School in Southwestern Utah, was given an in-school suspension for sporting a new red hair color that violated the school hair color policy that, “Hair color should be within the spectrum of color that grows naturally.”
OK, now I'm scared.
15-year-old Rylee MacKay, a student at Hurricane Middle School in Southwestern Utah, was given an in-school suspension for sporting a new red hair color that violated the school hair color policy that, “Hair color should be within the spectrum of color that grows naturally.”
OK, now I'm scared.
I wonder if the popo would have been called if the little scamps t shirt had the image of a piece of toast in the shape of a gun?
jujubeans
OVM Project Manager
When I was about that age, the local cop accused me of popping off firecrackers..a charge that his nephew was guilty of instead of me. We were standing outside of my home when I raised my voice to him letting him know of my innocence and his nephews culpability. Now you have to understand my father...his daughters were the apple of his eyes and I don't ever remember getting spanked.
Well there's a first time for everything.....my Pops smacked my cheek and told me under NO circumstance was there an excuse for yelling at the local cop. I learned my lesson well and I still find it inexcusable to disrespect the law.
Well there's a first time for everything.....my Pops smacked my cheek and told me under NO circumstance was there an excuse for yelling at the local cop. I learned my lesson well and I still find it inexcusable to disrespect the law.
AMonger
Veteran Expediter
Bravo Sierra. A cop is a man like us, not a god, though many think they are. They are our employees, bound by rules that restrict them, but who are given powers to do things that would be felonies for the rest of us. You might have to make a decision whether or not it's a good move in a particular situation, but there are plenty of situations that make raising your voice to a cop perfectly reasonable, and perhaps a moral necessity. When they're abusing their power is a prime example.
There's an old movie called The Last Wagon. It its about a wagon train of settlers wiped out by Indians and the few of them that survive and make it back to civilization with the help of a fugitive accused of killing a lawman. The sheriff or marshal had arrested him and hooked up with the wagon train to get back. Being that the accused had allegedly killed a lawman, the marshal was abusing him, strapping him to a wagon wheel and denying him food and water.
That was enough for the group. They picked up rifles, aimed them at the marshal, and demanded that he treat the prisoner humanely. He was forced to do so. Later, he began to beat the prisoner, and the settlers again forced him at gunpoint to stop.
Earlier Americans had a better grasp of morals and ethics than we do.
AMonger
Veteran Expediter
I'm sure your papa was a fine man with the best of intentions. Unfortunately, he inculcated in you an excessively servile attitude, or he tried to anyway. Then again, he probably didn't imagine cops would be militarized years later and start to resemble and act like storm troopers, either. Cops were probably genuine peace officers back then, worthy of respect.
"Defiance, not obedience, is the American's answer to overbearing authority."--Ayn Rand
WWATD? "What would Andy Taylor do?"
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I agree with Juju's Dad - to a point. Meaning, one speaks with respect to authority, until they can't, when it's time to get an attorney, lol.
As for the OP, I tend to agree with THawk: schools have the authority to decide what is or isn't disruptive behavior, and if/when they abuse that authority, the parents need to speak up.
IMO, the child in the current example may well have been expressing his parents' agenda, rather than the 'rights' he is too young to fully comprehend. Which is why he's still in school, learning about the rights and responsibilities of citizenship.
As for the OP, I tend to agree with THawk: schools have the authority to decide what is or isn't disruptive behavior, and if/when they abuse that authority, the parents need to speak up.
IMO, the child in the current example may well have been expressing his parents' agenda, rather than the 'rights' he is too young to fully comprehend. Which is why he's still in school, learning about the rights and responsibilities of citizenship.
How in the world could an nra shirt be disruptive? i had a similar problem with my daughter once when she wore a tank to school she had worn numerous times before. Suddenly in afternoon classes one teacher decided the inch wide straps were to skinny. Nothing in 3 previous classes. I told the principle i had no problem with firm dress codes but when one single teacher can decide it doesn't fit i have a problem. Either have the rule clearly stated or the teacher needs to shut her yap. This simply saying disruptive is crap and leaves to much to personal tastes of teachers.
jujubeans
OVM Project Manager
I'm afraid you've misconstrued what my father was like...the original rebel without a cause would have suited him from time to time. And he was a part time cop at night when his daughters were teenagers...and an ex GI...actually he was one hell of a man and I miss him greatly. I am more independent because of him as he raised us with the thought that we could do anything that we wanted to. He taught us how to shingle a roof, uranium mine, drive a cat, straight truck, live off the land and to have great respect for nature. But neither of us suffer fools well.
Anything with political significance can be disruptive, whether the teenagers understand that or not. As a compromise measure, short of compelling uniforms, maybe they should simply ban any graphics whatsoever - plain solid colors or patterns only.
The kids can express themselves outside of school however they like.
Xiggi: had the same kind of problems with daughters and teachers too, sigh.
Really? At 14 they're expressing a parent's agenda and incapable of understanding what clothing they're wearing but fully aware and capable enough to go to PP and murder an innocent life. Yeah, that makes sense alright.
