Saudi Criminal 'Sentenced To Be Paralysed'

EnglishLady

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This is just barbaric

A man in Saudi Arabia is waiting to be forcibly paralysed in punishment for a crime which left his victim in a wheelchair, it has emerged.

When he was 14, Ali al Khawaher stabbed a friend in the spine, paralysing him from the waist down, Amnesty International said.

The London-based human rights group said Mr al Khawaher, now 24, has spent 10 years in jail waiting to be paralysed surgically unless his family pays one million Saudi riyals (£180,000) to the victim.

Saudi Arabia applies a form of Sharia law, which allows eye-for-an-eye punishment for crimes but allows victims to pardon convicts in exchange for so-called blood money.

According to Amnesty, the man could be paralysed from the waist down if the sentence, which was passed in the eastern town of Al Ahsa, goes ahead.

The type of sentence in Sharia law is called a qisa, which means retribution.

The sentence has been condemned by the NGO, which said it had only recently learned of the man's sentence.
Ann Harrison, Amnesty's Middle East and North Africa Deputy Director, said: "Paralysing someone as punishment for a crime would be torture.

"That such a punishment might be implemented is utterly shocking, even in a context where flogging is frequently imposed as a punishment for some offences, as happens in Saudi Arabia."

The Arabic-language al Hayat daily quoted Khawaher's 60-year-old mother as saying her son was a juvenile the time of the offence. She said the victim had demanded two million riyals to pardon her son and later reduced this to one million.

"But we don't have even a tenth of this sum," she said.

Al Hayat said an unnamed philanthropist was trying to raise funds to pay the blood money, but it was not clear how much time remained before al Khawaher's sentence would be carried out.

Amnesty said the case demonstrated the need for Saudi Arabia to review its laws to "start respecting their international obligations and remove these terrible punishments from the law".

Saudi judges have in the past ordered Sharia punishments that included tooth extraction, flogging, eye gouging and - in murder cases - death.

The NGO claims that the paralysis sentence would contravene the UN Convention against Torture to which Saudi Arabia is a state party.

Britain's Foreign Office also said it was deeply concerned by the reports.

"We urge the Saudi authorities to ensure that this grotesque punishment is not carried out," a spokesman said.
"Such practices are prohibited under international law and have no place in any society."

The Saudis have yet to comment on the reports.
 

xiggi

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I have no problem with the death penalty. The problem I have is with being 100% positive the guilty party is the guilty party.
 

RLENT

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This is not about my belief on the death penalty but (IMO) the barbaric & grotesque form of "punishment" in the OP story
You don't wish to answer ...

IOW, you just might be in favor of capital punishment and depriving someone of their life (certainly a rather permanent condition) ... provided the State does it (and perhaps a "civilized" western state to boot :rolleyes:)

Got it :D

What was the purpose of the post if not to converse ... just to elicit some sort of self-validating agreement as to the "barbarity" ?

And why am I smelling some cognitive dissonance here ?
 

paullud

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I actually like the idea of this sentence. The idea that someone could seriously harm or kill someone and do a few years in prison where they get taken care of like a baby then go about their normal life is more upsetting. If they have clear proof of who did it then they shouldn't get away with it.
 

EnglishLady

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You don't wish to answer ...

IOW, you just might be in favor of capital punishment and depriving someone of their life (certainly a rather permanent condition) ... provided the State does it (and perhaps a "civilized" western state to boot :rolleyes:)

Got it :D

What was the purpose of the post if not to converse ... just to elicit some sort of self-validating agreement as to the "barbarity" ?

And why am I smelling some cognitive dissonance here ?

Well believe it or not I thought ppl might actually converse about the OP :rolleyes:

No confliction here, I believe I have said more than once on EO that I am against the death penalty
 

RLENT

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Well believe it or not I thought ppl might actually converse about the OP :rolleyes:
Yes - and I did - but I wanted to understand your statement (as to the barbarity of the punishment) in the larger context of where you're at on capital punishment generally.

I actually agree with you - the punishment is utterly barbaric ...

But it's not anywhere near as barbaric as some punishments some nutjobs might advocate ... like say putting a bullet behind the ear of a spammer ... ;)

No confliction here, I believe I have said more than once on EO that I am against the death penalty
Got it - thanks for answering my question.

I am too (against the death penalty)

I'll go recalibrate my nose now ...;)
 

Ragman

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I'll go recalibrate my nose now ...;)

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piattteam

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I love it! Start punishing these creeps with the same punishment they gave their victims. Do away with trials as we know them. Do a polygraph, a voice stress analysis, sodium pentathol, hypnosis. If the committed the crime, the suffer the consequence! I bet crime would nose dive.
 
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Tennesseahawk

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I love it! Start punishing these creeps with the same punishment they gave their victims. Do away with trials as we know them. Do a polygraph, a voice stress analysis, sodium pentathol, hypnosis. If the committed the crime, the suffer the consequence! I bet crime would nose dive.

But the crashing you hear is the shattering of the Constitution.
 

moose

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Where do you stand on the death penalty ?

O'h com'on now, you didn't expect the BBC to gives it's readers a full story so they can make an informed decision, now did you?
{just 4 weeks ago Saudi Arabia 'De-headed' 7 so called 'criminals', as they do regularly, which place the lousy 'Paralyses act' in a whole new perspective}
it's not like the BBC are bonded by law for 'accuracy & impartiality' to do so or something...
 

RLENT

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O'h com'on now, you didn't expect the BBC to gives it's readers a full story so they can make an informed decision, now did you?
No more than I'd expect a hasbara-spouting Zionist apologist to really be honest about what is actually occurring with respect to the conduct of the racist Israeli Apartheid Regime ... :rolleyes:

{just 4 weeks ago Saudi Arabia 'De-headed' 7 so called 'criminals', as they do regularly, which place the lousy 'Paralyses act' in a whole new perspective}
Well, the Saudi's are certainly no respecters of human rights and are a brutal regime ... but it appears that they have some company in their local neighborhood in that regard.

What follows are just a smattering of what the only (so-called) "democracy" in the Middle East has been up to since Jan 1, 2013. This list is by no means all-inclusive - it was quickly culled just out of the feature pieces (not the "news reports" which I didn't go thru) on a single website, whose own contributors wrote the particular article linked:

Israeli military kills two Palestinian teenagers near Tulkarm in the West Bank | Mondoweiss

Palestinian prisoner's death sparks West Bank demonstrations, but protests likely to end without leadership

The next generation of Israeli racism | Mondoweiss

Israel cuts off water to ten Palestinian villages outside Jerusalem | Mondoweiss

Jewish extremists carry out six attacks in one week on Palestinians in colonized Jerusalem neighborhood | Mondoweiss

B'Tselem Video: Mass arrest of Palestinian children on their way to school in Hebron

Israeli soldier on Facebook: 'There's nothing better than a dead Arab'

Illegal outpost 'security officer' caught on tape beating Palestinian tending his sheep as Israeli soldier stands down

Israeli forces Kill Palestinian youth activist Mahmoud al Teeti

During the first week of March the Israeli military wounded 34 Palestinian civilians in the occupied territories, including 10 children, a paramedic and a freelance photojournalist | Mondoweiss

Palestinian protester shot by Israelis is sixth civilian to die this year

Week of 'calm' in the oPt: 12 Palestinians, incl 4 children, wounded by Israel fire; 26 Palestinian children arrested

A pogrom in Qusra | Mondoweiss

Israeli settler lecturing Palestinian farmers: 'You'll all be our slaves, if you're worthy, if you behave well'

'Guardian' reports Israeli shootings of Palestinian boys. NPR reports, Palestinians want to kill Israelis

'An Arab is the son of a prostitute, a Jew is a (blessed) soul' -- Jerusalem mob chants

Autopsy reveals Arafat Jaradat died of extreme torture in Israeli custody | Mondoweiss

Documents reveal how U.S. let Israel whitewash 'execution' of American Furkan Dogan

Palestinian cartoonist Mohammad Saba'aneh detained without charge

Caught on tape: California university lecturer smears student activists as anti-Semites with ties to terrorists | Mondoweiss

Despite increased media attention, there is nothing new about Israel targeting Palestinian youth | Mondoweiss

Just other day in the oPt: Israeli forces invade and terrorize Palestinian towns from Jenin to Hebron | Mondoweiss

Israel holds Palestinian activist in solitary confinement and interrogates him about his Facebook activity following 'Real Democracy' election campaign

Israeli police give Jerusalem family 10 minutes to evacuate before demolishing their home | Mondoweiss

While America sleeps: Haaretz describes 'cleansing' of Jordan Valley, as Feiglin offers 0,000 per Palestinian family to leave

A story that even 'hasbara' cannot explain

A 22-year-old woman is killed, two brothers in their 70s beaten -- and never accountability

Trend of unprovoked killing by Israeli military in the West Bank continues -- Lubna Hanash, 22, dies after being shot in the head near Bethlehem

Report from Beit Lahiya: Israel continues to break the ceasefire in Gaza | Mondoweiss

Under cover of elections, settlers expand illegal colony on Nabi Saleh's land

More houses, more olive trees -- Israeli demolitions in villages from the Jordan to Bethlehem

In with the New Year, Out with the Africans

Israeli reporter admits suppressing images of 'piles of bodies of civilians' when Israel went 'crazy' in Gaza

Video: Israeli occupying forces arrest mother and her 18-month-old child near Hebron | Mondoweiss

In Budrus, grief stings | Mondoweiss

Scathing report documents worst year of Israeli attacks on occupied Hebron | Mondoweiss

From Newtown to Damascus | Mondoweiss

Samer Issawi is dying in jail as he is held without charge | Mondoweiss

Flouting Ban Ki-moon's appeal, Israel demolishes homes in E. Jerusalem and Hebron

Palestinian teenager killed by IDF near Budrus

Hold Israel accountable for aggression and war crimes in Gaza | Mondoweiss

Israel violates Gaza ceasefire again, kills student near Jabalia refugee camp | Mondoweiss

Palestinian seeking to visit her jailed brother is strip-searched, robbed and finally allowed to see him from afar

Israeli pours putrid skunk gas over homes in occupied Palestine

Jordan Valley settlers farm private Palestinian land while owners are barred from entering | Mondoweiss

it's not like the BBC are bonded by law for 'accuracy & impartiality' to do so or something...
Ahhh yeah ... but then neither are you ... ;)

In terms of reportage of what's going in Middle East, if I were faced with the choice between yourself or the BBC, I'd probably go with the BBC every time ...
 
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davekc

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I'm ok with the death penalty, but only in very limited cases. Our courts have displayed way too many times that they got it wrong. It is almost daily actually.
They need to shore that up with very specific criteria that someone did something before they go forward. And that means actual scientific evidence that isn't tainted. Not witness testimony or backroom plea deals to bolster someones political career.
Way too many mistakes that are only discovered years later.
 

moose

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No more than I'd expect a hasbara-spouting Zionist apologist to really be honest about what is actually occurring with respect to the conduct of the racist Israeli Apartheid Regime ... :rolleyes:
you MIGHT got the idea of racist Israel from here?: BBC Watch
maybe. maybe not.
As we told you before, there's NO racism going on in Israel. and Israel is NOT an Apartheid place. i kind of know what i am talking about because, as you well know I WAS JUST THERE. would you like me to introduce to you with Challed ?. he is 71 Y/O Arab Israeli's and you can find him on FB {but i don't because i do not do FB}, he is one of the very first People's i look forward to meet when i go and visit Israel once in a while. his good friend Abdullh'a is retired by now, which is why i went to see him in his home {it's a small mention- good for him!} at the near by Arab village of Th'uraa'n. while there i experienced Middle East hospitality and love to it's finest!
know those family's all my life and owe much of my POV to what the Arab Israeli thought me over the years. while you are fourcing yourself to relay on the net for adopting a POV on the middle east, yo8 are faced here with one American Israeli guy that DO have first hand experience with understanding to complected life in Israel.
i can go on and give literally hundreds of examples ALL from just that 23 days visit to Israel this past month .
i can assure you 100% that IF/when you go and visit Israel you WILL change you mind.
if you ever wish to have a true understanding of what going on behind the news in Israel, all you need to do is ask ME and you will get a very good understanding.
all you have to do is pay for the travel fer, i can arrange for the rest.
or you can keep on blasting Israel for no rezone - what ever float your boat.

that offer stand for the rest of my Expediters friends.


Well, the Saudi's are certainly no respecters of human rights and are a brutal regime ... but it appears that they have some company in their local neighborhood in that regard.
Neighbor's ?as in sharing the same border's ,when exactly did that happen? there's another country in between. not only that the 2 country's are not neighbor's ,they are not conducting ANY formal relationships. assuming one thing on S/A base on what Israel do have NOTHING to do what so ever with reality . please do explain to us all how you came from what is clearly an internal affairs in S/A, and the way it's been reported to the World Wide World. to any comment regarding Israel ?.

What follows are just a smattering of what the only (so-called) "democracy" in the Middle East has been up to since Jan 1, 2013. This list is by no means all-inclusive - it was quickly culled just out of the feature pieces (not the "news reports" which I didn't go thru) on a single website, whose own contributors wrote the particular article linked:
Unfortunately Israel is Indeed the ONLY democracy in that middle east. when ALL of it's CITIZENS have the same right's .
now to the 'list of links' you provided. nothing more then redestibuting the well orcestrated PA propoganda. obviuolsly never to be trusted as a good source of information. lets explain just some of it.

without going into details {am not really interested} lets examined only a fractions of the above provided{by you} links :Breaking the ceasefire in Gaza was done by The terror group of Hamas as they lunched 3 {&suspected 4} attacked in 2 days on Israel populated towns. the last one to happen in the morning as children's where making their way to schools.
don't expect to read this on the BBC tho'u as the BBC headline stated "Israel launches 1st air strike on Gaza since truce" A more accurate headline would have been phrased as follows:"Third case of rocket fire from Gaza Strip since November truce brings first Israeli response".
it's not what happened in the middle east that is the problem - it's how it is been reported.
and the BBC is caught with it's pants down daily.
those youth that your link claimed to be arrested 'on their way to school?:
So by repeating the BBC failing to accuracy report event from the middle east you actually made my point of the BBC been a VERY bad source of information when it comes to the middle east.
for example as to your first link provided . here is a simple DEBUNKING of a myth created by the BBC and rpeated by nwes casts World Wode, and by you , my friend the PA propoganda destribiotor :
just a simple link :BBC Watch
you want another one? here it is :BBC Watch
lets move on, this time without a link those mass teenagers arressts ?. those are not inocents kids on their way to school. they have been involved in a brutal attack on Jewish residantds and armed fources. this is not peacefull 'demonstration'. it's a violent act of terrorisem. the arrests is a small part of a much larger event that took place that day. many of those teens have been relised shurtly after. and a few later on. the militery simply needs to find out who orcustrated the violent attack , which is probably NOT one of the kids. it's waht EVERY defance militery whould have done.
that link to the FB remark made by an ISraeli sodier : abselootly. there's no room for that. the militery SHOULD invetigate this an limit it's armed fources from using FB while on duty.
that lie's about the deth of Arafat Jaradath ?. well just look into the provided BBC watch link, it is all explained there in great details . it's a myth repeated by the BBC curtecy of the PA Propoganda machine and redestributed by...YOU.
the NIGH operations in the town of Jenin?. first class counter terrorists act. the town of Jenin. a place i personaly visited a few times as a kid, is nowdays a breading ground for Terrorisem at it's most violent shape. israeli armed fources are going in nightly and Picking up peoples of interest to counter terrorists it's saves life in Israel, and prevented thousands of attacks on Israel's civilians. it should be apprased by any life seaking cevilians in ANY western suciety.
and so on and so on...


Ahhh yeah ... but then neither are you ... ;)
i did not know that ANY of us is bunded by law for the same level of reporting as a formal news company . how can we conduct normal business in the shouting box if we fear for our lifes?
after all it is NOT us that are limited by this :
http://bbcwatch.org/bbc-editorial-guidelines/

In terms of reportage of what's going in Middle East, if I were faced with the choice between yourself or the BBC, I'd probably go with the BBC every time ...
your choich, but it will be a bad one. i AM the American with his feets on the ground in israel. one of many better sources of informations for ANY American seeking true understanding of what going on in Israel. i hold segnigicants connections for many sides of the issues on hands, and can name more the a few freinds that are 'on the other side'. you quate 'Haarets', as it's apear on the web. i actually still know more then a few freinds that involved in that publication. i lived amoung them for almost 6 years of my adult life. they are FUN to debate with. would you like cell numbers ?, names?. i just visited 2 of them this past winter.
asking ME is priceless for visitors of EO shoutbox.
just call it as it is.
have a nice day{really, you might be wrong, but far as i know still deserve the best!}, i won't, am on my way to 'The Boon Cracker'...
 

aristotle

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I love it! Start punishing these creeps with the same punishment they gave their victims. Do away with trials as we know them. Do a polygraph, a voice stress analysis, sodium pentathol, hypnosis. If the committed the crime, the suffer the consequence! I bet crime would nose dive.
I would challenge you to take a polygraph and voice stress test under immediate threat of beheading or paralysis. Can you be sure the polygraph examiner is infallible or above corruption? A trial by jury with the Constitutional right to a vigorous defense is still the best crucible.
 

RLENT

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you MIGHT got the idea of racist Israel from here?: BBC Watch maybe. maybe not.

LOL ... no I didn't get it from a bona fide hasbara operation ...

My conclusions as to the racist nature of the State of Israel are largely drawn from reading a wide variety of reports over a long period of time ...

As we told you before, there's NO racism going on in Israel. and Israel is NOT an Apartheid place. i kind of know what i am talking about because, as you well know I WAS JUST THERE.
Well, I don't know who "we" is ... but the above highlighted statement defies all common sense and any reasonably informed person's understanding of the nature of his fellow man ...

It borders on being utterly delusional ...

would you like me to introduce to you with Challed ?. he is 71 Y/O Arab Israeli's and you can find him on FB {but i don't because i do not do FB}, he is one of the very first People's i look forward to meet when i go and visit Israel once in a while.
No ... no real interest here to being introduced to "Challed" ... I don't do Facebook either ... and I have no interest in wasting my time in trying to search out what very well might be someone's sock puppet ...

his good friend Abdullh'a is retired by now, which is why i went to see him in his home {it's a small mention- good for him!} at the near by Arab village of Th'uraa'n.
Must be a very special place - Google can find no information on it and so has ... no results ...

while there i experienced Middle East hospitality and love to it's finest! know those family's all my life and owe much of my POV to what the Arab Israeli thought me over the years.
Good for you.

while you are fourcing yourself to relay on the net for adopting a POV on the middle east, yo8 are faced here with one American Israeli guy that DO have first hand experience with understanding to complected life in Israel.
You premise above seems to assume that 1. I am not interacting with you over the 'net, and 2. that those I do rely on on the 'net haven't lived in Israel, or haven't been there.

Neither assumption is correct.

Further, I have several personal friends/acquaintances who I was fairly close to a number of years ago, both of whom had served in the IDF - one of them actually even lived on a real live kibbutz (with his wife and four children) after making aliyah. His oldest child was, for a time, my oldest son's best friend.

i can go on and give literally hundreds of examples ALL from just that 23 days visit to Israel this past month. i can assure you 100% that IF/when you go and visit Israel you WILL change you mind.
Well, I wouldn't base any assessment on just visiting Israel - I'd have to go the Occupied Territories - West Bank and Gaza - as well.

And I rather suspect that I wouldn't even be allowed into Israel - if I were to be entirely honest about my reasons for visiting and about my own political views on the State of Israel (which are decidedly anti-Zionist, based on the character, nature, and conduct of the State of Israel in it's present form)

'Do you know any Arabs in London?' Israeli airport authorities grill British photojournalist before kicking him out

if you ever wish to have a true understanding of what going on behind the news in Israel, all you need to do is ask ME and you will get a very good understanding.
Moose,

You are an advocate ... you are also - near as I can tell - a Zionist ... a fairly ardent one to be sure ...

And you are therefore not unbiased ...

all you have to do is pay for the travel fer, i can arrange for the rest.
LOL ... if only I was 30 or so years younger ...

or you can keep on blasting Israel for no rezone - what ever float your boat.
I don't blast Israel for no reason ... my comments are based on observations and reports by folks who have been there and in some cases are still there ... and, interestingly enough, a number of those people are Jews ...

Neighbor's ?as in sharing the same border's ,when exactly did that happen? there's another country in between.
Straw man logical fallacy ... neighbors do not necessary share borders ...

I have many people here in my local neighborhood who are my neighbors, but I do not share a "border" or property line with ...

not only that the 2 country's are not neighbor's ,they are not conducting ANY formal relationships.
Formal relations between states are irrelevant to the matter of who happens to reside in one's neighborhood. There are many folks who live in my neighborhood that I have never met and have no relations with whatsoever - that doesn't change the fact that they are my neighbors.

Maybe Hebrew uses a different definition for "neighbor" than the one we use in American English ...

assuming one thing on S/A base on what Israel do have NOTHING to do what so ever with reality. please do explain to us all how you came from what is clearly an internal affairs in S/A, and the way it's been reported to the World Wide World. to any comment regarding Israel ?.
I assume nothing on Saudi Arabia based on what Israel does ... my point was simply that Saudi Arabia isn't alone in the neighborhood in it's brutality and inhumanity.

Unfortunately Israel is Indeed the ONLY democracy in that middle east.
That seems to be a matter of debate - an ever-widening one - even within the Jewish community itself:

Jewish space plays host to spirited debate over whether Israel is a democracy

Of course, there are those - like yourself - who do not want it debated ... or even discussed for that matter ...

NY synagogue banishes panel on Israel, saying BDS discussion is 'forbidden'

when ALL of it's CITIZENS have the same right's.
Fact is they don't - even for actual Arab citizens of Israel ... so your representation that they do is an outright lie (an untruth):

ADALAH Web Page: Discriminatory Laws in Israel

The following is a listing of only the most recent discriminatory laws and is not all-inclusive:

http://adalah.org/Public/files/Engl...natory-Laws-in-Israel-October-2012-Update.pdf

The above document describes utterly perverse nature of the State of Israel as a (so-called) "democracy" ... in terms of just some of the most recent "laws" ...

You bandy the word ("democracy") about as though it really means something in the case of Israel ... and you rely on people's ignorance here in the US of the exact nature of that "democracy" to be able to get away with doing so.

Suffice it to say that "democracy" in the state of Israel is largely a joke from the perspective of the fundamental understanding most Americans have of the concept generally ... and a very cruel one at that ...

If anything it only serves to support the understanding that many of the better informed here have as to why the US should never be a democracy (minority rights) ... but instead remain a constitutional republic ...

Of course, Israel still doesn't actually have a Constitution - despite agreeing that it would institute one shortly after it's statehood was recognized.

now to the 'list of links' you provided. nothing more then redestibuting the well orcestrated PA propoganda. obviuolsly never to be trusted as a good source of information.
Kinda hard to sell your assessment as being legitimate and valid ... when you didn't even bother to examine the links provided in detail. Couple that with the fact that the fact that you are extremely biased in favor of Zionism and the State of Israel as it is currently constituted (a fact which is beyond obvious) and it is therefore logical in my estimation that you yourself should never be trusted as a "good source of information" ...

If you had any solid foundation on which to stand, you could address the actual details of the specific articles that I linked ... rather than simply dismissing them largely out of hand by attempting to attribute them to the Palestinian Authority - a case you fail to make by citing any supporting evidence that your assertion is true ...

Such an attempt is laughable at best ... and utterly pathetic at worst ...
 
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cranis

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Should be similar punishment for certain crimes here in the US. Like child molesters, should be prodded with a corn cob(husked) dipped and soaked in kerosene, and also a q-tip with kero inserted in his 'tool'.
Maybe then this can make another person think twice befroe taking the innocense from a child.
 
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