Santa and Jesus are white!

[muttly]

Good one. The conversation is about integrity and you tried to attack Jon Stewart's integrity by throwing your own under the bus.

Fox News gave to the Dems? I was told by some in here that they were a republican news organization. Regarding Stewart, the guy doesn't even use his real last name. It's phony, made up.

 

[paullud]

Good one. The conversation is about integrity and you tried to attack Jon Stewart's integrity by throwing your own under the bus.

No, you asked if Fox had given money to Democrats and I linked an article that showed they had. You complained about it being from 2012 so I just linked another one from 2010 that shows they had been giving more money to Democrats.

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[Turtle]

Is it the concept of this conversation that you don't understand?

I understand the concept just fine. You criticize John Stewart for not having integrity in creating comedic satire, you don't know what satire is, and you don't know the difference between prejudice, bias, and you have a problem with logical conclusion.

 

[paullud]

I understand the concept just fine. You criticize John Stewart for not having integrity in creating comedic satire, you don't know what satire is, and you don't know the difference between prejudice, bias, and you have a problem with logical conclusion.

Apparently you don't understand as much as you think you do. My point was that he is not a credible source of honest information as some seem to believe he is. When I said he was not I was asked to provide proof that he was not. So somehow now you are taking my opinion from another thread to try and attack me in this thread. No wonder people complain about this site so much, the mods can't follow the rules about posting and use personal attacks.

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[WanderngFool]

I'm still trying to nail down dates and times but in the meantime.

paullud - I think you deliberately set a trap by posting the wrong article. It's a slippery thing to do at the very least.

As far as I can tell Newscorp also set a trap. They secretly donated small amounts to Dems through the year and then handed the Reps $1m which of course caused a big stink. And then on August 18, they revealed their donations to the dems which totaled over $1m. As far as I can tell, Stewart's show attacking the $1m donation was on Aug 17. (I found someone's blog post from Aug 18 linking to the clip).

I'll try to do better in the morning.

 

[paullud]

I'm still trying to nail down dates and times but in the meantime.

paullud - I think you deliberately set a trap by posting the wrong article. It's a slippery thing to do at the very least.

As far as I can tell Newscorp also set a trap. They secretly donated small amounts to Dems through the year and then handed the Reps $1m which of course caused a big stink. And then on August 18, they revealed their donations to the dems which totaled over $1m. As far as I can tell, Stewart's show attacking the $1m donation was on Aug 17. (I found someone's blog post from Aug 18 linking to the clip).

I'll try to do better in the morning.

No, I was just answering your question about whether or not Fox gave money to the Democrats. I am just trying to have a friendly debate/conversation with someone that I may not see eye to eye with on certain things, it's how we learn. I respect your opinion as an intelligent human being although I may not agree with it and just enjoy conversations with people that can add more than "you're stupid".

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[Pilgrim]

You, for one. More than 2 million results on Google for another.

See the Google results above. Also, see EO Soapbox.

Journalist consensus: Media lean left
Top journalists from The New York Times, NBC News and CNN acknowledged Wednesday that, generally speaking, the national media have a liberal bias. On a Playbook Breakfast panel, the Times' Peter Baker and Mark Leibovich, NBC's Kelly O'Donnell and CNN's Jake Tapper all said "yes" when asked if the news media lean left — though all agreed it was a nuanced issue having more to do with journalists' life experiences than with any particular agenda.

It's not exactly a secret that most colleges and universities are liberal, and journalism schools even moreso, so it shouldn't be surprising that the journalists these institutions are cranking out have a liberal viewpoint on most issues.

"There is a liberal bias. It’s demonstrable. You look at some statistics. About 85 percent of the reporters who cover the White House vote Democratic, they have for a long time. There is a, particularly at the networks, at the lower levels, among the editors and the so-called infrastructure, there is a liberal bias. There is a liberal bias at Newsweek, the magazine I work for — most of the people who work at Newsweek live on the upper West Side in New York and they have a liberal bias....[ABC White House reporter] Brit Hume’s bosses are liberal and they’re always quietly denouncing him as being a right-wing nut.” - Newsweek Washington Bureau Chief Evan Thompson

"At ABC, people say 'conservative' the way people say 'child molester.'" - ABC News anchor John Stossel.

"There is just no question that I, among others, have a liberal bias. I mean, I'm consistently liberal in my opinions." - Andy Rooney

"Of course it is [The NY Times being a liberal newspaper]....These are the social issues: gay rights, gun control, abortion and environmental regulation, among others. And if you think the Times plays it down the middle on any of them, you've been reading the paper with your eyes closed." - New York Times Editor Daniel Okrent

"Like every other institution, the Washington and political press corps operate with a good number of biases and predilections. They include, but are not limited to, a near-universal shared sense that liberal political positions on social issues like gun control, homosexuality, abortion, and religion are the default, while more conservative positions are 'conservative positions.'... The press, by and large, does not accept President Bush's justifications for the Iraq war....It does not accept the proposition that the Bush tax cuts helped the economy....It remains fixated on the unemployment rate....The worldview of the dominant media can be seen in every frame of video and every print word choice that is currently being produced about the presidential race." - ABC News Political Director Mark Halperin

“Most of the time I really think responsible journalists, of which I hope I’m counted as one, leave our bias at the side of the table. Now it is true, historically in the media, it has been more of a liberal persuasion for many years. It has taken us a long time, too long in my view, to have vigorous conservative voices heard as widely in the media as they now are. And so I think yes, on occasion, there is a liberal instinct in the media which we need to keep our eye on, if you will.” - Peter Jennings

“I think liberalism lives — the notion that we don’t have to stay where we are as a society, we have promises to keep, and it is liberalism, whether people like it or not, which has animated all the years of my life. What on Earth did conservatism ever accomplish for our country? It was people who wanted to change things for the better.” - Charles Kuralt, CBS News

"I became a journalist in order to help change the world." - Carole Simpson, ABC News, first black female national news anchor, now a journalism professor at Emerson College in Boston

“I won’t make any pretense that the ‘American Agenda’ [segments on World News Tonight] is totally neutral. We do take a position. And I think the public wants us now to take a position. If you give both sides and ‘Well, on the one hand this and on the other that’ — I think people kind of really want you to help direct their thinking on some issues.” - the same Carole Simpson

I can give you lots more, if you really want them, but I think this should suffice.

Outstanding! The point is more emphatic when the confessions of the MSM are listed for everyone to see.

Yes, I remember that paragraph, and I still stand by it. It doesn't conflict at all with my statement above. My statement above is in the context of political news stories. Special Report rarely deals with political opinion and instead sticks more to hard news and the Five Ws (at least from what I have observed). Still, someone chooses the stories to air and the pictires to show and the words to say. There is always bias in that.

Not to nitpick, but Special Report always has an opinion segment with their panel at the end of the show - but it's clearly defined. Regardless, we're on the same page about this.

One last thought: would be nice to see some equivalent bashing of CBS viewers for instance, for "making things up", their viewers being "libtards", etc due to their admitted liberal bias.

 

[muttly]

One of the names listed by Turtle was Mark Halperin. Check out his liberal bias in a memo to his staff during a presidential campaign a while back.

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[muttly]

Then there is Carole Simpson given the task as an "impartial" presidential moderator during another presidential debate, regardless of whether she wanted to "direct peoples thinking on some issues".

Presidential debate moderators - Photos - 13 of 21 - POLITICO.com

 

[Turtle]

Fox News gave to the Dems? I was told by some in here that they were a republican news organization. Regarding Stewart, the guy doesn't even use his real last name. It's phony, made up.

I don't know why you are fixated with an entertainer using a stage name. Many, if not most of them do. Charlton Heston's real name was John Charles Carter. You think Lada Gaga is her real name? What about Snoop Dog?

In any case, John Stewart's name is hardly phony and made up. His real name is John Stuart Leibowitz. For his stage name, he dropped his last name to distance himself from his father because of an ugly and strained relationship with him, and changed the spelling of Stuart to Stewart because people kept spelling it that way, anyway.

You want phony and made up? Marion Robert Morrison changed his name to John Wayne.

Jeff Christie was the name Rush Limbaugh used when he was a Top-40 record spinner, before he became a political spinner.

 

[letzrockexpress]

I don't know why you are fixated with an entertainer using a stage name. Many, of not most of them do. Charlton Heston's real name was John Charles Carter. You think Lada Gaga is her real name? What about Snoop Dog?

In any case, John Stewart's name is hardly phony and made up. His real name is John Stuart Leibowitz. For his stage name, he dropped his last name to distance himself from his father because of an ugly and strained relationship with him, and changed the spelling of Stuart to Stewart because people kept spelling it that way, anyway.

You want phony and made up? Marion Robert Morrison changed his name to John Wayne.

Jeff Christie was the name Rush Limbaugh used when he was a Top-40 record spinner, before he became a political spinner.

My name isn't Letzrockexpress. Really.

 

[Turtle]

Apparently you don't understand as much as you think you do. My point was that he is not a credible source of honest information as some seem to believe he is. When I said he was not I was asked to provide proof that he was not. So somehow now you are taking my opinion from another thread to try and attack me in this thread. No wonder people complain about this site so much, the mods can't follow the rules about posting and use personal attacks.

OK, quote the rules about posting that I have violated, and quote me where I attacked you.

None of my comments above are regarding anything you've said in another thread, although they certain could apply to them. My comment of, "you don't know the difference between prejudice, bias, and you have a problem with logical conclusion," is wholly based on your comments in this thread. I'd tell you what led me to those conclusions, but I need to first see the rules I have violated and the quotes of me attacking you.

FWIW, I get my news from a wide variety of sources, including SNL's Weekend Update. So there.

 

[muttly]

I don't know why you are fixated with an entertainer using a stage name. Many, if not most of them do. Charlton Heston's real name was John Charles Carter. You think Lada Gaga is her real name? What about Snoop Dog?

In any case, John Stewart's name is hardly phony and made up. His real name is John Stuart Leibowitz. For his stage name, he dropped his last name to distance himself from his father because of an ugly and strained relationship with him, and changed the spelling of Stuart to Stewart because people kept spelling it that way, anyway.

You want phony and made up? Marion Robert Morrison changed his name to John Wayne.

Jeff Christie was the name Rush Limbaugh used when he was a Top-40 record spinner, before he became a political spinner.

According to wikepedia he also thought his name sounded 'too hollywood'.

 

[paullud]

OK, quote the rules about posting that I have violated, and quote me where I attacked you.

None of my comments above are regarding anything you've said in another thread, although they certain could apply to them. My comment of, "you don't know the difference between prejudice, bias, and you have a problem with logical conclusion," is wholly based on your comments in this thread. I'd tell you what led me to those conclusions, but I need to first see the rules I have violated and the quotes of me attacking you.

FWIW, I get my news from a wide variety of sources, including SNL's Weekend Update. So there.

It is a personal attack for one and based on another thread as in off topic. How many times have you said attack the post not the poster? Your statement did just the opposite even if you want to try and BS your way through trying to say it was solely based on this thread.

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[WanderngFool]

I put just a few minutes into it this morning and as far as I can tell:

The media learned about Newscorp's $1M Republican donation on Aug 17, 2010.

This NYTimes article doesn't mention big money going to Dems and I think they would have if it was known at the time.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/18/us/politics/18donate.html

On Aug 18, 2010 Newscorp must have dropped the bomb about over $1M going to Dems because suddenly news articles were obliged to mention it.

I think the Daily Show episode I linked to came out on Aug 18.

Incidentally Newscorp's board of directors had a fun meeting in October:

Murdoch grilled over News Corp. political donations - On Media - POLITICO.com

But none of that matters. What were we talking about? Oh yeah, integrity.

The fact that Rupert Murdoch pulled off a sleazy and underhanded stunt just helps to prove that he's sleazy, underhanded and lacks integrity, as does his TV "News" network.

I watched the Daily Show episode I linked to again. Nowhere does Stewart hint or insinuate or condemn Newscorp's donation. I was wrong to suggest that he did. I screwed up. The punchline is how straight the line is from Newscorp to the Republicans as compared to the convoluted mess that Glenn Beck does on his blackboard to attack Dems. In fact, Stewart repeats the punchline a second time. "It's a straight line, just a straight line". He does make a second punchline when he says what a travesty it is for Fox to pay the Republicans when it should be the other way around.

Rupert Murdoch pulled off an underhanded, sleazy stunt. I can't recall anyone, ever, accusing him of being dumb. Sleazy and lacking integrity, sure, but not the least bit dumb.

 

[paullud]

It's hard to tell what happened with the donations. The amounts given to the Democrats might have been hidden because Murdoch had to search through the pile to find some blue dogs that he could support. I believe that a likely scenario is that Murdoch made the donation to the Republicans knowing it would catch the attention of the liberal media who were just foaming at the mouth to prove Fox is biased. Then just to prove how terrible the media is at their job they did no research to see if money had ever been given to Democrats.

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[Turtle]

It is a personal attack for one and based on another thread as in off topic. How many times have you said attack the post not the poster? Your statement did just the opposite even if you want to try and BS your way through trying to say it was solely based on this thread.

Soooo, you can't quote the rules about posting that I have violated, nor quote me where I attacked you. Got it.

 

[xiggi]

MSNBC host*Ed Schultz*paid$252K by unions in 2012-2013*...


http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/dec/13/msnbc-host-ed-schultz-paid-252k-unions-2012-13/


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[WanderngFool]

MSNBC host*Ed Schultz*paid$252K by unions in 2012-2013*...


MSNBC host Ed Schultz paid $252K by unions in 2012-2013 - Washington Times


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Why didn't you include text from the article that says that Schultz forwards the money to charity?

MSNBC spokeswoman Lauren Skowronski justified the payments as advertising dollars for Mr. Schultz’s radio show, website and speaking gigs. On top of that, all the funds from his speaking engagements go to charity — an MSNBC policy, she said.

 

[Turtle]

According to wikepedia he also thought his name sounded 'too hollywood'.

Well, that's a joke. He doesn't really mean that John Leibowitz sounds too Hollywood. It's a reference to Lenny Bruce, who said he changed his name to Lenny Bruce from Leonard [Alfred] Schneider because Leonard Schneider sounded too Hollywood, which was the joke because Leonard Schneider sounded too German. Bruce became a comedian right after WWII and his first stage name was Lenny Marsalle, as a comedic tribute to his mother, Sally Marr, who was an actress and comedian herself (she was also a talent scout and agent, and discovered, among others, Pat Morita, Cheech Marin, Tommy Chong and Sam Kinison). He changed it to Bruce, at the suggestion of his mother, in 1947. Lenny Bruce is a favorite among comics, not the least because of his battles of free speech censorship, and is listed as #3 on Comedy Central's list of the top 100 stand up comics of all time.