Wonder if Monger has left the country yet.
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EASYTRADER
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No Dave, but GOD certainly has this ruling has clearly demostrated that the US is entering a period of Judgement.
The financial colapse was just a shot across the bow, the impending dollar implossion will bring Famine, Pestilence and Civil War I think.
I believe that the US is the final beast spoke of in Revalation, which basically means there really isn't anywhere to go. GOD works slowly but its going to be an interesting decade.
The financial colapse was just a shot across the bow, the impending dollar implossion will bring Famine, Pestilence and Civil War I think.
I believe that the US is the final beast spoke of in Revalation, which basically means there really isn't anywhere to go. GOD works slowly but its going to be an interesting decade.
Really..your nuts..if god does exist?? he is going to ruin a whole society because of 2 men kissing..??
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EASYTRADER
Expert Expediter
Dave,
I misscommunicated - GOD is allowing it, IT is the judgement.
People are evil by nature (even christians) - the only reason any 'good' gets done in the world is because GOD creaes conditions where humans acting in there own interest will do good. As a person (or society) degenerates what you are seeing is the 'actual' person without GODs influence. The less of GODs influence you have the more currupt you become.
This is true of ALL people Christians and NON-Christains alike.
So as GOD withdraws from the US, things will gradually get worse and worse. Rampant homosexuality and the acceptance of it as normal is a sign GOD is departing. Its not the only one.
The sins of the american people are great, we are responsible for the actions of our governemnt since WE elect them. This is only the begining.
The Good news is WE as a people can repent and GD will return, but honestly I don't see that happening since the US Government is the final beast of revalation.
I think we are going to see a civil war, followed by world government, I think it is very close. I also think it will happen under a "Christian" president like Jeb Bush or somebody. (I put christian in qoutes because they won't really be)
I misscommunicated - GOD is allowing it, IT is the judgement.
People are evil by nature (even christians) - the only reason any 'good' gets done in the world is because GOD creaes conditions where humans acting in there own interest will do good. As a person (or society) degenerates what you are seeing is the 'actual' person without GODs influence. The less of GODs influence you have the more currupt you become.
This is true of ALL people Christians and NON-Christains alike.
So as GOD withdraws from the US, things will gradually get worse and worse. Rampant homosexuality and the acceptance of it as normal is a sign GOD is departing. Its not the only one.
The sins of the american people are great, we are responsible for the actions of our governemnt since WE elect them. This is only the begining.
The Good news is WE as a people can repent and GD will return, but honestly I don't see that happening since the US Government is the final beast of revalation.
I think we are going to see a civil war, followed by world government, I think it is very close. I also think it will happen under a "Christian" president like Jeb Bush or somebody. (I put christian in qoutes because they won't really be)
OK I have to ask what was the great depression for?
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I hope the new Transit is released before all this happens.
The Roaring 20s?
Kind of arrogant to think that the American government is The Beast and that this homo crap only happens here in America.
Judgement Day was imminent in the 1790s, during the Civil War, during WW I, during the Great Depression, in 1944, the day Elvis appeared on Ed Sullivan, the day the Beatles appeared on Ed Sullivan, the 1960s, the 1970s, the 1980s, the 1990s, 12/31/99, 9/11, last week, today, tomorrow.
And who said Christianity is based on fear? <snort>
One day a Cardinal runs in to the Pope's office all excited and says to the Pope, "Jesus has returned and is coming up the walk. What should we do?!?"
The pope replies, "Quick, every body look busy!"
Judgement Day was imminent in the 1790s, during the Civil War, during WW I, during the Great Depression, in 1944, the day Elvis appeared on Ed Sullivan, the day the Beatles appeared on Ed Sullivan, the 1960s, the 1970s, the 1980s, the 1990s, 12/31/99, 9/11, last week, today, tomorrow.
And who said Christianity is based on fear? <snort>
One day a Cardinal runs in to the Pope's office all excited and says to the Pope, "Jesus has returned and is coming up the walk. What should we do?!?"
The pope replies, "Quick, every body look busy!"
EASYTRADER
Expert Expediter
I'm not sure what the 'Moral' cuase for the depression, I do know what the technical cuases were, some were moral but its too big a topic to cover here. Two sources for the depression are "The Lords of Finance" by Liaquot Ahmed and "The Forgotten Man" by Amitty Shleas.
I can tell you this or sure GOD is not happy with abortion, rampant, drug use, and slothful people using the vote to steal from there working nieghbors. Socialism is evil and GOD hates it.
Rampany debuachery is the symtom of something greater, not the cause.
I can tell you this or sure GOD is not happy with abortion, rampant, drug use, and slothful people using the vote to steal from there working nieghbors. Socialism is evil and GOD hates it.
Rampany debuachery is the symtom of something greater, not the cause.
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
Might wanna have a look at that thing about Lot and his daughters ... starts at Genesis 19:30 ...
Monty
Expert Expediter
As y'all ponder the moral ramifications, why not the political ones?
When did marriage, in any form, become the responsibility of the Federal government?
It certainly is not addressed in the Constitution, and since it is not, it remains a state's right issue. Same as abortion.
When did marriage, in any form, become the responsibility of the Federal government?
It certainly is not addressed in the Constitution, and since it is not, it remains a state's right issue. Same as abortion.
When the federal government began taxing married and unmarried couples differently, and when the federal government made certain benefits marital-status dependent.
Certainly should be, and other than taxes, benefits and anti-discrimination laws, it still is. They are not (yet) invoking the "Full Faith and Credit" clause to require states to recognize same-sex marriages if they don't want to. But I bet that one's coming down the pike sooner or later.
EASYTRADER
Expert Expediter
Dave,
Abortion falls under the heading of murder. Abortion is just a technical medical term for ripping a live baby appart with a vaccume or coathanger. "A rose by any other name, still smells sweet"
Turtle,
Your ignorance of theology is always entertaining especially because you are always adamant in your ridiculous condemnations of it.
Judgement Day is a specific 'day' coming in the future when Christ returns.
Being under GODs Judgement, is a phrase used to descibe a condition where GOD pulls back his grace from a person or society, it is the opposite of being under blessing. Generally, speaking societies under judgement 'consume themselves' and are then thrashed by outside forces.
As for my thoughts on the US being represented as the final beast in Revelation, its sober scholarship, and it gives me no pleasure to say it.
Isaac Newton, wrote one of the best explanations of biblical prophecy you'll read. I believe it was called "Observations on the Prophet Daniel and the Revalation of St. John", he takes you from Persia to the final collapse of Catholic political power in France. Its a fascinating book especially for those interested in history. His view was the final beast had yet to show itself, but as one beast always came on the heals of the previous one it ought to be growing in his day.
"Who is like the beast, and who is able to make war with him"
Abortion falls under the heading of murder. Abortion is just a technical medical term for ripping a live baby appart with a vaccume or coathanger. "A rose by any other name, still smells sweet"
Turtle,
Your ignorance of theology is always entertaining especially because you are always adamant in your ridiculous condemnations of it.
Judgement Day is a specific 'day' coming in the future when Christ returns.
Being under GODs Judgement, is a phrase used to descibe a condition where GOD pulls back his grace from a person or society, it is the opposite of being under blessing. Generally, speaking societies under judgement 'consume themselves' and are then thrashed by outside forces.
As for my thoughts on the US being represented as the final beast in Revelation, its sober scholarship, and it gives me no pleasure to say it.
Isaac Newton, wrote one of the best explanations of biblical prophecy you'll read. I believe it was called "Observations on the Prophet Daniel and the Revalation of St. John", he takes you from Persia to the final collapse of Catholic political power in France. Its a fascinating book especially for those interested in history. His view was the final beast had yet to show itself, but as one beast always came on the heals of the previous one it ought to be growing in his day.
"Who is like the beast, and who is able to make war with him"
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The problems with that statement are many. For one, abortion doesn't fall under any heading of murder, except for invented characterizations of it. Something isn't murder just because you label it as such. There are no historical precedents, in Christianity or secular circles, where abortion is murder. For the better part of 2000 years Christianity was fine with abortion. Abortions were certainly performed before, during and after Biblical times, but nary a word about it in the Bible. It wasn't until a little over one hundred years ago that someone decided it was wrong, and not unsurprisingly the flock quickly boarded that boat.
"Abortion is just a technical medical term for ripping a live baby appart with a vaccume or coathanger."
Another invented characterization, since abortion was commonplace well before the invention of the vacuum or the coat hanger. In addition, not unlike homosexuals wanting to redefine marriage, you can't simply redefine "baby" to mean "fetus" or "zygote" simply because you need to in order to further your agenda.
Just because I don't believe in the same theology as you and agree with how you think, doesn't mean I'm ignorant of it. Quite the contrary. My theistic decisions and beliefs are not made lightly, ignorantly, nor blindly.
Yes, I'm aware of that, and my statement still stands. The statement that "the US is entering a period of Judgement," holds just as much truth and weight today as that and similar statements have had every time it's been uttered over the last 2000 or so years.
What makes your sober scholarship any more accurate or refined than the scholarship of countless thousands (maybe millions) before you who have wrongly identified the same final beast in Revelation? So far, everyone who has ever identified The Final Beast has been dead wrong. They have a batting average of .000 and they haven't even drawn a walk to get on base. Nobody has been close. What makes you think that, this time, you are?
Well, that manuscript was published after his death and against his wishes. He felt his interpretations of Scripture for prophecy were the only true and correct interpretations, and that no one else really had the understanding of Prophesy that he did. The "Observations upon the Prophecies of Daniel, and the Apocalypse of St. John" was a companion treatise of "Rules for interpreting the words & language in Scripture" which he also did not publish, nor did he want it published (but of course it was anyway, after his death). In that manuscript he details all the necessary requirements for what he considered to be the "proper" interpretation of the Bible, and if any of those requirements were not met or his procedures were not followed exactly, the interpretations would necessarily be wrong and "very likely dangerous." That's why he didn't want those published.
He also wrote, in the "Prophecies of Daniel," that "the Gospel must first be preached in all nations before the great tribulation, and end of the world." And by "preached" he means the Gospel must be accepted and believed by all nations, when all nations are Christian nations.
Although, he meant that as being Christian the way he was, and not how most Christians were. Newton was a Nicodomite and did not hold to Trinitarianism, and was in fact vehemently anti-Trinity, at least in private. Had he made his true beliefs known at the time he would have been branded a heretic and likely put to death. According to Newton, worshiping Christ as God was straight up idolatry, the most egregious of fundamental sins.
Also, and you'll like this I'm sure, in a 1704 manuscript Newton wrote that the world would end no earlier than 2060. In predicting this he said, "This I mention not to assert when the time of the end shall be, but to put a stop to the rash conjectures of fanciful men who are frequently predicting the time of the end, and by doing so bring the sacred prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail."
Oh, wait. Never mind. I forgot. I'm ignorant about all this stuff.