Russia Invades Ukraine

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This was in the Tucker Carlson video as well:
 
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US state Dept has advised Americans to get out of Russia - on their own, by commercial or ground travel. It's looking like the Biden administration is going to end up leaving people with US or dual citizenship stuck in Russia just like they did in Afghanistan.

"Those residing or traveling in Russia should depart Russia immediately while limited commercial travel options remain," the statement released by the embassy added."

 
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US state Dept has advised Americans to get out of Russia - on their own, by commercial or ground travel. It's looking like the Biden administration is going to end up leaving people with US or dual citizenship stuck in Russia just like they did in Afghanistan.

"Those residing or traveling in Russia should depart Russia immediately while limited commercial travel options remain," the statement released by the embassy added."

We have been telling Americans to leave Russia for months now, if anyone is still there its their own fault.

You know the old saying, a failure to plan on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part.
 

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We have been telling Americans to leave Russia for months now, if anyone is still there its their own fault.

You know the old saying, a failure to plan on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part.
This is true, but keep in mind we still have an embassy in Moscow and there are over 100 people affiliated with it including employees. If our relationship with Russia continues to go south what happens if we have to close the embassy and evacuate personnel?

It's reached the point where there are limited means to get out of Russia - not like here in the US, where people are free to travel commercially most anywhere they choose. People over there may want out but are stuck there. Do we just leave them like we did in Afghanistan? Also, what happens if US citizens get rounded up and forced into Russian military service?
 

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This is true, but keep in mind we still have an embassy in Moscow and there are over 100 people affiliated with it including employees. If our relationship with Russia continues to go south what happens if we have to close the embassy and evacuate personnel?

It's reached the point where there are limited means to get out of Russia - not like here in the US, where people are free to travel commercially most anywhere they choose. People over there may want out but are stuck there. Do we just leave them like we did in Afghanistan? Also, what happens if US citizens get rounded up and forced into Russian military service?
More than likely us citizens would be rounded up and put in prison, and used as hostage.
 
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Couldn't happen to a better comrade
They should hold the trials in Nuremberg.

It won’t matter. Putin wouldn’t show up and there are other countries that would take him anyway.
 

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Well, its about to get real in Russia, now that Putin's mercenaries are on their way to Moscow to take over, things could go really bad. Hopefully Putin does not decide that if he cant win, everyone will lose.
 

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Well, its about to get real in Russia, now that Putin's mercenaries are on their way to Moscow to take over, things could go really bad. Hopefully Putin does not decide that if he cant win, everyone will lose.
Maybe the best case scenario is a civil war in Russia. They can't sustain two military campaigns at the same time. But if the Putin regime were to collapse, would China come to the rescue and install a puppet dictator? The peaceful coexistence we had with Russia during the Trump administration looks pretty good right now.
 

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There are moments in history where you can feel the tectonic plates of power shifting under your feet, the precise seconds when empires declare themselves rotten and ready to collapse. February 28, 2025, was one of those moments—a grotesque display of unchecked narcissism, geopolitical idiocy, and the full-throttle transformation of American foreign policy into a :censoredsign: mafia shakedown.

Donald Trump, the world’s loudest and dumbest charlatan, decided to hold a public execution of Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, not with bullets, but with bullying. This was not diplomacy. This was not strategy. This was the kind of goonish humiliation typically reserved for reality television, except now the stakes were measured in millions of lives and the looming specter of World War III.

“YOU’RE GAMBLING WITH WORLD WAR III”

Trump—flanked by his yes-man JD Vance and an eerily silent Marco Rubio—welcomed Zelenskyy to the Oval Office only to berate, belittle, and ultimately dismiss him like a waiter who forgot to refill his Diet Coke. The Ukrainian president had made the grave mistake of advocating for his people, for his country, for his soldiers dying daily on the front lines against Russian invaders. But in Trump’s world, there is no room for dignity or resistance—only total submission to the Don.

"You’re gambling with World War III," Trump barked at Zelenskyy, acting like a discount Tony Soprano shaking down a local shopkeeper. "You either make a deal, or we are out." The message was crystal clear: Surrender to Putin, or America lets you rot.

When Zelenskyy pushed back—trying to explain, like a rational human being, that diplomacy requires more than rolling over and exposing your belly to a psychotic autocrat like Vladimir Putin—Vance chimed in, whining that it was "disrespectful" to discuss such things in front of the American media. Disrespectful! As if the real problem here was the optics, not the grotesque moral betrayal unfolding in real time.

TRUMP’S FIXATION WITH GRATITUDE: A MOB BOSS DEMANDING TRIBUTE

"Have you ever said thank you once?" Vance sneered at Zelenskyy, echoing his master’s worldview that all human interactions are transactional. "You have to be thankful," Trump added, "you don’t have the cards. You’re buried there."

This is what American diplomacy has become: an extortion racket.

Forget alliances, forget history, forget standing up to despots—Trump views everything through the lens of a cheap con artist running a rigged casino. Ukraine, in his mind, is a desperate gambler, and Trump is the pit boss deciding whether to extend another round of credit.

If Zelenskyy had gotten on his knees and kissed Trump’s golden slippers, maybe he’d have left with something. But instead, he left with nothing, because he had the audacity to act like the elected leader of a sovereign nation, rather than a groveling servant.

THE CANCELED PRESS CONFERENCE: WHEN THE HUMILIATION IS TOO MUCH TO SPIN

After the carnage, Trump did what he always does: He took to Truth Social to declare victory.

"I have determined that President Zelenskyy is not ready for Peace," he wrote, as if the real issue is Ukraine’s unwillingness to surrender, rather than Russia’s ongoing campaign of war crimes and territorial theft.

The joint press conference was canceled—which in diplomatic terms is the equivalent of overturning the table and storming out of the restaurant. Zelenskyy was seen leaving the White House, no deal signed, no support secured. Just the bitter taste of betrayal in his mouth.

Meanwhile, the Ukrainian ambassador literally facepalmed in the middle of the meeting. She couldn’t even hide her disgust. This was the international equivalent of watching your boss drunkenly scream at a client in a meeting while you rub your temples and quietly plan your resignation.

TRUMP’S ‘PEACE’ PLAN IS A SURRENDER PLAN

This is all part of a deliberate pivot in American foreign policy. Trump has always sided with Russia, whether it’s calling Putin "a very smart guy," ignoring his war crimes, or pretending Ukraine started the war. Now, his administration is pushing a so-called "peace plan" that amounts to a glorified land grab for Moscow.

The Wall Street Journal has already reported that Trump’s advisers are split on how exactly to force Ukraine to submit. Some want a "frozen conflict"—which translates to "Russia keeps what it stole"—while others are pushing for a formal deal that outright cedes Ukrainian land and resources to Putin. Either way, the outcome is the same: Ukraine loses, Russia wins, and Trump gets to preen about his ‘deal-making.’

THE DEATH OF AMERICA’S WORD

The entire world saw this Oval Office debacle. If you’re an ally of the United States, you just learned a very clear lesson: You cannot trust America under Donald Trump. Your security, your sovereignty, and your survival are all secondary to whether Trump personally feels flattered. If you are not groveling at his feet, you’re expendable.

Meanwhile, Putin is watching. And he’s grinning. Because now he knows that Trump will do his dirty work for him.

Zelenskyy was just the first ally to be fed to the wolves. He won’t be the last.

Welcome to America, 2025. This is what losing looks like.
 
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Yep, yesterday was a dark day for freedom, and I fear there will be many more dark days with Trump in charge, when he finds a way to take our freedom, his followers will be shocked, but those of us that really see what he is will not be.
 
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There are moments in history where you can feel the tectonic plates of power shifting under your feet, the precise seconds when empires declare themselves rotten and ready to collapse. February 28, 2025, was one of those moments—a grotesque display of unchecked narcissism, geopolitical idiocy, and the full-throttle transformation of American foreign policy into a :censoredsign: mafia shakedown.

Donald Trump, the world’s loudest and dumbest charlatan, decided to hold a public execution of Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, not with bullets, but with bullying. This was not diplomacy. This was not strategy. This was the kind of goonish humiliation typically reserved for reality television, except now the stakes were measured in millions of lives and the looming specter of World War III.

“YOU’RE GAMBLING WITH WORLD WAR III”

Trump—flanked by his yes-man JD Vance and an eerily silent Marco Rubio—welcomed Zelenskyy to the Oval Office only to berate, belittle, and ultimately dismiss him like a waiter who forgot to refill his Diet Coke. The Ukrainian president had made the grave mistake of advocating for his people, for his country, for his soldiers dying daily on the front lines against Russian invaders. But in Trump’s world, there is no room for dignity or resistance—only total submission to the Don.

"You’re gambling with World War III," Trump barked at Zelenskyy, acting like a discount Tony Soprano shaking down a local shopkeeper. "You either make a deal, or we are out." The message was crystal clear: Surrender to Putin, or America lets you rot.

When Zelenskyy pushed back—trying to explain, like a rational human being, that diplomacy requires more than rolling over and exposing your belly to a psychotic autocrat like Vladimir Putin—Vance chimed in, whining that it was "disrespectful" to discuss such things in front of the American media. Disrespectful! As if the real problem here was the optics, not the grotesque moral betrayal unfolding in real time.

TRUMP’S FIXATION WITH GRATITUDE: A MOB BOSS DEMANDING TRIBUTE

"Have you ever said thank you once?" Vance sneered at Zelenskyy, echoing his master’s worldview that all human interactions are transactional. "You have to be thankful," Trump added, "you don’t have the cards. You’re buried there."

This is what American diplomacy has become: an extortion racket.

Forget alliances, forget history, forget standing up to despots—Trump views everything through the lens of a cheap con artist running a rigged casino. Ukraine, in his mind, is a desperate gambler, and Trump is the pit boss deciding whether to extend another round of credit.

If Zelenskyy had gotten on his knees and kissed Trump’s golden slippers, maybe he’d have left with something. But instead, he left with nothing, because he had the audacity to act like the elected leader of a sovereign nation, rather than a groveling servant.

THE CANCELED PRESS CONFERENCE: WHEN THE HUMILIATION IS TOO MUCH TO SPIN

After the carnage, Trump did what he always does: He took to Truth Social to declare victory.

"I have determined that President Zelenskyy is not ready for Peace," he wrote, as if the real issue is Ukraine’s unwillingness to surrender, rather than Russia’s ongoing campaign of war crimes and territorial theft.

The joint press conference was canceled—which in diplomatic terms is the equivalent of overturning the table and storming out of the restaurant. Zelenskyy was seen leaving the White House, no deal signed, no support secured. Just the bitter taste of betrayal in his mouth.

Meanwhile, the Ukrainian ambassador literally facepalmed in the middle of the meeting. She couldn’t even hide her disgust. This was the international equivalent of watching your boss drunkenly scream at a client in a meeting while you rub your temples and quietly plan your resignation.

TRUMP’S ‘PEACE’ PLAN IS A SURRENDER PLAN

This is all part of a deliberate pivot in American foreign policy. Trump has always sided with Russia, whether it’s calling Putin "a very smart guy," ignoring his war crimes, or pretending Ukraine started the war. Now, his administration is pushing a so-called "peace plan" that amounts to a glorified land grab for Moscow.

The Wall Street Journal has already reported that Trump’s advisers are split on how exactly to force Ukraine to submit. Some want a "frozen conflict"—which translates to "Russia keeps what it stole"—while others are pushing for a formal deal that outright cedes Ukrainian land and resources to Putin. Either way, the outcome is the same: Ukraine loses, Russia wins, and Trump gets to preen about his ‘deal-making.’

THE DEATH OF AMERICA’S WORD

The entire world saw this Oval Office debacle. If you’re an ally of the United States, you just learned a very clear lesson: You cannot trust America under Donald Trump. Your security, your sovereignty, and your survival are all secondary to whether Trump personally feels flattered. If you are not groveling at his feet, you’re expendable.

Meanwhile, Putin is watching. And he’s grinning. Because now he knows that Trump will do his dirty work for him.

Zelenskyy was just the first ally to be fed to the wolves. He won’t be the last.

Welcome to America, 2025. This is what losing looks like.
Like so much of the Trump hate we've seen here over the past 2-3 years, it's once again long on Trump-bashing and short on addressing the issue we saw developing yesterday on live TV. This was supposed to have been a presser and signing of a done deal between Ukraine and the United States - one that would've been very beneficial for Ukraine by gaining the physical presence of the US on their soil. But Zelensky blew up the whole thing by showing up with a snarky attitude and making demands for which he had no leverage - security guarantees. Does he even realize HE HAS NO CHANCE TO WIN THIS WAR? A competent statesman would've offered thanks for past support, praise for the new deal and appreciation towards the POTUS who is trying to broker a ceasefire and a peace deal for his country. Instead he argued with his benefactors about Putin and resisted the suggestion of a ceasefire. Not the smart thing to do to on the home turf of the country that's given you over $300M in materials and monetary support.

Trump did the right thing to put thus meeting on live TV so the entire world could see the type of nitwit he's having to deal with. Even Lindsey Graham was outraged by Zelensky's attempt at grandstanding.

After the dust settles in a couple of weeks there will be meetings behind closed doors and the deal will be signed with smiles and handshakes. The US needs the rare earth minerals, and both Russia and Ukraine need the war to stop. Once that happens the Ukrainians will oust Zelenskyy and elect a more qualified president.
 
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This didn’t take long: NATO Secretary General urges Zelensky to "restore relationship" with Trump, string of grateful tweets follows.


 
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