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layoutshooter

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I would LOVE to know the entire story on this one. Is now illegal to "rudely" carry a firearm?



[h=1]Active-duty Army sergeant arrested for ‘rudely displaying’ a hunting rifle[/h]
A Texas community around Fort Hood, one of the nation’s largest military posts, has become a center of controversy between an Obama-supporting anti-gun prosecutor, the police, and military personnel when an active-duty Army sergeant, stationed at Fort Hood was arrested for carrying a lawfully owned hunting rifle while out hiking with his son, the Daily Caller reported yesterday

Patrick Howley, an Investigative Reporter for the Daily Caller stated,” The conflict reached a fever pitch last month, when Texas police arrested an active-duty Army sergeant for “rudely displaying” a hunting rifle. The sergeant, C.J. Grisham, established anonline legal defense fund after he was, in his words, “illegally arrested and disarmed” for carrying the firearm.”

Howley said that tensions have grown among the local law enforcement and military personnel around the post due to the democrats and liberal attacks on the second amendment and an Obama-supporting prosecutor who has been described as a “bandleader” of anti-gun efforts in the heavily conservative community.
Grisham was arrested in his hometown of Temple, which is in Bell County, Texas, that incorporates both Fort Hood and the city of Temple.
In a video clip, filmed by Grisham’s son, obtained by the Daily Caller, Grisham questions the officers' actions.
When Grisham asked them why they are doing this since he has done nothing wrong and has a concealed carry license, one of the officers says, “In this day and age, people are alarmed when they see someone with what you have.“They don’t care what the law is.”


“And did you explain to them what the law is, sir?” Grisham asks one of the officers. “They don’t care what the law is,” the officer said. Graham then says, “Do you care what the law is? Just because a guy has got a firearm, he’s dangerous?” Grisham asks, drawing the reply, “Yes, sir.”


The other officer tells Grisham that he was “rudely displaying” the rifle.


Texas is a 2nd Amendment right-to-carry state.


On Grisham’s defend fund website, he explains, “I am an active duty Soldier and veteran of Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm a concealed handgun license holder in several states. I have never in my life been charged with a crime. I live in the country and love to shoot. I strongly believe in the Constitution and the rights guaranteed by it.


While out hiking with my son through back country roads to help him earn his Eagle Scout rank, I was illegally arrested and disarmed without cause. I was thrown in jail and my lawfully owned weapons were confiscated without receipt or notice.


This shouldn't happen in the United States of America, much less the State of Texas.”

“My attorney received the incident reports and official charges from the DA today. The "resisting arrest" (class A misdemeanor) charge has disappeared and been replaced with "interference with public duties" (class B misdemeanor) charge. Neither charge is cause for taking my firearms and they still have not been returned. Now that we have official charges and incident reports, more information will be released this week. I am completely innocent of this and all charges and time will show that I did nothing wrong besides stand up for my rights as an American,” Grisham said.


“No one should have to fear being illegally disarmed without warrant, especially someone who has never committed a crime in his life. There is an overt attempt to disarm Americans, and especially veterans, in this country.”


In an interesting twist, Deborah McKeon of the Telegram reported on Grisham’s story last month, shortly after he was arrested and wanted his guns back, said, “Grisham was arrested March 16, five days after Grisham urged the Temple City Council to declare that citizen rights to keep and bear arms will not be infringed upon.”


Since his arrest, the charges against Sergeant Christopher Grisham of resisting arrest which was a Class A misdemeanor was changed to interrupting, disrupting, impeding and interfering with a peace officer while performing a duty, a Class B misdemeanor.


The Daily Caller reached out to the Temple police who declined comment.


However, his legal bills have mounted and Grisham created a “2nd Amendment Legal Defense Fund” in which he said, “I was illegally arrested and disarmed. I am fighting for gun rights and against illegal search and seizure.”


As of today, his legal defense fund goal of $11,000 has been reached and now totals $11,165 and continues to grow.


For more on this story and the posted video of the confrontation, continue to the Daily Caller.














 

LDB

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That shouldn't happen in this country and especially not in Texas. That prosecutor should be fired and disbarred and ejected. He's unfit to be a Texan.
 

layoutshooter

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That shouldn't happen in this country and especially not in Texas. That prosecutor should be fired and disbarred and ejected. He's unfit to be a Texan.


I know! We can get the ACLU out there to protect our civil rights! LOL!! YEAH RIGHT! Like they really care about them. That prosecutor, and the police, should be sued for civil rights violations. That is assuming that what appears to have happened did take place as stated.

IF it did, that kid got a "Eagle Scout" sized lesson on how our Constitution is being destroyed. A VERY good object lesson to be sure.
 

zorry

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Could it be that the offender saw the officers and yelled "Hey Guys !" ?

Some people consider that phrase to be rude .
 

layoutshooter

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Could it be that the offender saw the officers and yelled "Hey Guys !" ?

Some people consider that phrase to be rude .

Nope, the officer stated that the man in question was carrying his rifle in a "rude manner". I guess if he was carrying it in a "polite manner" it would have been OK.

Talk about a civil rights violation.

Again, assuming that all is a stated.
 

Tennesseahawk

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Nope, the officer stated that the man in question was carrying his rifle in a "rude manner". I guess if he was carrying it in a "polite manner" it would have been OK.

Talk about a civil rights violation.

Again, assuming that all is a stated.

So basically, he wasn't breaking the 2nd Amendment, but rather disrespecting Miss Manners? How dare he 'rudely' carry anything, let alone a gun!

He needs to go after the bonds of the policemen, the city attorney for overly aggressive prosecution, and the city for hiring these toolbags, and not potty training them.
 

layoutshooter

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I have never open carried before. I have CPL and often carry concealed. It looks like it's time for me to start carrying open. The ONLY way to insure our civil rights is to use them. If we allow them to take them from us, they will. It will NOT stop with firearms,
 

purgoose10

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There are no more suprises left for this clown in the white house. I'll make an uneducated guess that if the democrates retain the majority in the Senate in the next general elections, O'B will try and change the law and go for a third term. What would happen then??
 

zorry

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Was he carrier in a place or manner to cause unrest ?

If a guy carries a long gun into a wedding or funeral isn't it akin to yelling FIRE in a crowded theatre ?
 

layoutshooter

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Was he carrier in a place or manner to cause unrest ?

If a guy carries a long gun into a wedding or funeral isn't it akin to yelling FIRE in a crowded theatre ?

First and foremost, the legal exercising of a RIGHT should not cause unrest. The man was hiking with his son. People need to get a grip. Law abiding citizens should never be hassled for partaking in their Constitutional RIGHT to own and carry.

As I said, I have NEVER carried open before but it looks like it is time for me to start. I just want a better holster, one with a strap over the gun. Carrying open has another advantage, I don't have to figure out how to conceal my piece and worry about it being seen.
 

layoutshooter

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Florida is doing OK. Just look at that story about it being taken over by giant snails which are really Demoncrats in disguise.
 

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After reading the story, my first thought was, "I bet there's more to this story." After doing some quick research, oh, yeah, there's more to it alright. LOL

Not only did his name ring a familiar tone, he's the infamous Blogger of the oft-viewed "A Soldier's Perspective" that had him in hot water with his military bosses for several years, but he's also had a history of staging self-aggrandizing confrontations in order to record them on video, and then use his status as an active duty soldier to cry out, "I"m a soldier being mistreated!," to further his political agenda, and to raise money for his cause. And this story here is no different.

One example of this is his staged confrontation with the Huntsville School Board and PTA. He brought a hidden video camera to the school board meeting, where he then baits the school board an PTA members into a confrontation. He was then removed from the meeting, said he was a soldier being mistreated, and he immediately started a legal defense fund. No accounting of the use of those raised funds were ever made public, BTW.

On 7 March 2013, five days before his arrest in this story, Grisham petitions the Temple City Council and Mayor to affirm 2nd Amendment Rights that the Mayor and City Council should pledge to uphold those rights. The Mayor declined the petition as state law already allows for those rights. Two weeks later Grisham decides to take his son and AR-15 out for a walk for an Eagle Scout badge, a walk more likely designed to bait the Temple Police Departmen into a confrontation, since the Eagle Scout badge doesn't require that you just so happen to have a video camera with you. His Vimeo posts are highly edited and do not show the entire event as it actually transpired. Interesting.


Oh, and he's now started another ‘legal defense fund” for this incident.
 

layoutshooter

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Even if he did "bait" them, the fact still remains that it is NOT illegal to carry a firearm and NO one should be arrested or harassed for exercising their Constitutional rights. Stopping/arresting someone for the "crime" of carrying a gun is NO different than locking up churches, stopping one race or another from voting or outlawing a "conservative" radio show. We either have our rights, or we don't. There is no in between and there can be no compromise.

We shall see. I very well may start to "open carry" when I am home. NO confrontation, no baiting, just put my Ruger SP101 .357 on my belt and go about my business.
 

zorry

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Isn't a holstered piece less threatening than carrying an AR15 ?

Holstered, I think you're a donut eating peace officer. Possibly off duty.

A person carrying an AR15 unfortunately looks like he may be hunting an unknown prey.

Probably not fair. A rational person carrying an AR15 should have it in a case.

I'll sit back and wait for my abuse.
It's just the way my little mind would view it.
 

layoutshooter

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Isn't a holstered piece less threatening than carrying an AR15 ?

Holstered, I think you're a donut eating peace officer. Possibly off duty.

A person carrying an AR15 unfortunately looks like he may be hunting an unknown prey.

Probably not fair. A rational person carrying an AR15 should have it in a case.

I'll sit back and wait for my abuse.
It's just the way my little mind would view it.

No abuse. We can discuss this as rational adults.

What you are saying is that you believe there should be limits on freedom.

ALL firearms are "threatening" if used as such. A person carrying ANY piece, slung over a shoulder is threatening no one. When the police stop him THEY are the threat, to that person's, and our, freedom.

I believe that DHS and it's BILLION rounds of ammo, and it's armored cars, are a threat.
 

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Even if he did "bait" them, the fact still remains that it is NOT illegal to carry a firearm and NO one should be arrested or harassed for exercising their Constitutional rights.
Yeah, well, as a perfectly rational adult, my only comment is, dood went looking for trouble, and found it.
 

layoutshooter

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Yeah, well, as a perfectly rational adult, my only comment is, dood went looking for trouble, and found it.

Kinda like the civil rights protesters in the '60's did? I thought that the right to own and carry a firearm WAS a civil right. Why NOT take part in "civil disobedience" ?
Whether or not he is rational I have NO idea. I would not be surprised either way.
 

Turtle

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Kinda like the civil rights protesters in the '60's did? I thought that the right to own and carry a firearm WAS a civil right. Why NOT take part in "civil disobedience" ?
Whether or not he is rational I have NO idea. I would not be surprised either way.
Like I said, there's more to this story. A lot more than I've posted about. Under Texas law, a police officer has the right to confiscate a handgun during an investigation if the officer feels the officer, the person he is talking to, or some other person or person might be in danger. It doesn't matter if you have a permit for the handgun or not. Once it is determined that no danger is present, or the investigation has concluded, the officer returns the handgun.

See what I mean about more to the story? This incident wasn't even about the rifle, it was about Grisham's refusal to comply and hand over the handgun. The rifle was never asked for by the officer, only the handgun. His refusal got him an "impeding an investigation" charge (which was reduced from the original "resisting arrest" and "interfering with a police officer"). When he was arrested for not handing over the handgun, his handgun and rifle were both confiscated as evidence as per the law.

Funny how that part of it was left out of the story, and instead it's all about "Oh woe is me, I'm being unfairly persecuted as a US soldier, a real American hero!"
 

layoutshooter

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I THOUGHT I qualified what I was saying MANY times with statement like IF it was as written etc. I DO know that many times things are not quite as they seem.

I also know that, without a doubt, the government, and this administration in particular, are doing all they can to insure that our Constitutional rights to own and carry arms taken from us. Just as with any other civil right we must do all we can to protect them.

Which is why I intend to carry open when I see fit. Again, no baiting, just strap on my Ruger and carry it open. IF bothered by the "law" I WILL fill a civil rights suit. Maybe even a stage a sit in and sing Kumbia. Link arms and march down the street.
 
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