sixwheeler
Expert Expediter
That's got to be the longest post in EO's history.
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catshavestaff
Seasoned Expediter
>No there have been others from the same author that are
>longer as he reproduced Terry's post and gave the usual
>2,000 word reply to every paragraphthat Terry posted.
As wannabe's on the road to being expediters, I'd like to thank Terry and Rene and TeamCaffee and ATeam for contributing to this discussion. My husband and I have read some very valuable information here that we need to keep in mind as we embark on this wild ride called expediting.
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What we can't understand is why this response quoted above is so negative. In the context of the ongoing conversation that spans a couple of threads or more, this type of reply seems properly well thought out and thorough. As a former lurker, now poster, I'm sure there are others who have learned a lot from reading "the usual 2,000 word reply to every paragraph".
If we were all sitting in a booth somewhere having coffee, it's not likely someone would be keeping a word count. What gives?
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>longer as he reproduced Terry's post and gave the usual
>2,000 word reply to every paragraphthat Terry posted.
As wannabe's on the road to being expediters, I'd like to thank Terry and Rene and TeamCaffee and ATeam for contributing to this discussion. My husband and I have read some very valuable information here that we need to keep in mind as we embark on this wild ride called expediting.
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What we can't understand is why this response quoted above is so negative. In the context of the ongoing conversation that spans a couple of threads or more, this type of reply seems properly well thought out and thorough. As a former lurker, now poster, I'm sure there are others who have learned a lot from reading "the usual 2,000 word reply to every paragraph".
If we were all sitting in a booth somewhere having coffee, it's not likely someone would be keeping a word count. What gives?
/hijack
Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
I try not to read 2000 word essays. The big words and sentences tend to give me epilleptic fits. :7
Cats... depending on how long you've been lurking, you could see some doozies! Believe me, Rich knows what he's talking about in that quote you site. I try not to read them before a long run, if you know what I mean.
"If I claim to be a wise man, it surely means that I don't know." - Kansas
Cats... depending on how long you've been lurking, you could see some doozies! Believe me, Rich knows what he's talking about in that quote you site. I try not to read them before a long run, if you know what I mean.
"If I claim to be a wise man, it surely means that I don't know." - Kansas
Once the huge essay is condensed, you are the same place as all the other. "you can be a millionaire posts".
Is it possible? Yes
So is winning a million in Vegas.
Is it probable as a single truck operator. No
As with Terry's experience rather than hypotheticals, I have never heard of a 20 year veteran of expediting, with a million dollars at the end of expediting. And.......that income generated from one truck.
Again.....possible.......but not probable.
Statistical investment odds/percentages on returns are greater in several other areas of investments.
There is nothing positive or negative about it...it is what it is.
Some feel compelled to turn a rock into a diamond when it isn't necessary.
Davekc
owner
22 years
PantherII
EO moderator
Is it possible? Yes
So is winning a million in Vegas.
Is it probable as a single truck operator. No
As with Terry's experience rather than hypotheticals, I have never heard of a 20 year veteran of expediting, with a million dollars at the end of expediting. And.......that income generated from one truck.
Again.....possible.......but not probable.
Statistical investment odds/percentages on returns are greater in several other areas of investments.
There is nothing positive or negative about it...it is what it is.
Some feel compelled to turn a rock into a diamond when it isn't necessary.
Davekc
owner
22 years
PantherII
EO moderator
DannyD
Veteran Expediter
>The moral of this lengthy thread is, take off the rose
>colored glasses that provide a rosier than likely image of
>expediting earning potential. I recommend that the reader
>not take as gospel, anything that I or any other individual
>promote concerning earning potential. Take advantage of the
>accumulated experience, knowledge and wisdom of the many EO
>Forum members, Expedite Carrier Recruiters and other
>Expedite truck Owner/Operators before committing to the
>interesting world of expediting.
>
>Terry O'Connell
Hiya Terry,
Rene & yourself sure are great ambassadors of this industry. We're sure glad ya went & bought yourself that computer. =)
One thing I'd add is that I that a person can take advantage of the accumulated experience of many members & still they have to be careful of what they feel the sum total is. That's because more than likely it's not going to account for people who no longer do this for whatever reason. They're going to be talking to expediters who are still doing this, & therefore are probably at least doing reasonably well.
My guess is it would be safe to tell someone you can net $30,000/year in this business before expenses in a cargo van. They can probably make more, but 30K is a figure that's safe to tell someone. Then the person can subratct expenses & take it from there. They can also figure in the time requirements & then make a decision from there.
I totally agree that I wouldn't be promoting a million dollar retirement. I answered that Q & while the A is "yea" there's a lot more to it. That's like a high school kid asking if he can make the NFL. I guess technically he can, but odds are stacked against it.
Great post & good luck in 2007,
Danny
>colored glasses that provide a rosier than likely image of
>expediting earning potential. I recommend that the reader
>not take as gospel, anything that I or any other individual
>promote concerning earning potential. Take advantage of the
>accumulated experience, knowledge and wisdom of the many EO
>Forum members, Expedite Carrier Recruiters and other
>Expedite truck Owner/Operators before committing to the
>interesting world of expediting.
>
>Terry O'Connell
Hiya Terry,
Rene & yourself sure are great ambassadors of this industry. We're sure glad ya went & bought yourself that computer. =)
One thing I'd add is that I that a person can take advantage of the accumulated experience of many members & still they have to be careful of what they feel the sum total is. That's because more than likely it's not going to account for people who no longer do this for whatever reason. They're going to be talking to expediters who are still doing this, & therefore are probably at least doing reasonably well.
My guess is it would be safe to tell someone you can net $30,000/year in this business before expenses in a cargo van. They can probably make more, but 30K is a figure that's safe to tell someone. Then the person can subratct expenses & take it from there. They can also figure in the time requirements & then make a decision from there.
I totally agree that I wouldn't be promoting a million dollar retirement. I answered that Q & while the A is "yea" there's a lot more to it. That's like a high school kid asking if he can make the NFL. I guess technically he can, but odds are stacked against it.
Great post & good luck in 2007,
Danny
greg334
Veteran Expediter
FYI;
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Including post #0 qoutes
Excluding the signature line
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Excluding post #0 qoutes
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Post #20 contained:
Including post #0 qoutes
Excluding the signature line
8 Printed Pages
45 Paragraphs
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3,159 Words
15,053 Characters (no spaces)
18,301 Characters (with spaces)
Excluding post #0 qoutes
Excluding the signature line
4 Printed Pages
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It really doesn't matter one iota whether a post has 2 words, 200 words, 2000 words or 20000 words. Read it if you want to. Skip over it if you want to. Every post is valuable to some. Every post is worthless to some. Everyone is brilliant and insightful and wise in some ways to some people. Nobody is brilliant or insightful or wise in any way to some people.
Whether you like somebody or not, whether you agree with somebody or not, whether you never agree with somebody or not, just say what you have to say without pointing fingers or belittling or attempting to make anybody else look bad for what they say or believe or write or don't write. How pathetic is it when all that can be done is to waste time and energy on counting words? I'm a readers digest kind of guy. I hit and run and I look for the concise entires. Just because I won't take the time to write more doesn't mean nobody should or that I should look down on longer posts.
So let's get back to the original topic and if you don't have something to contribute on that just stick to reading mode.
Leo Bricker, 73's K5LDB, OOIDA Life Member 677319
Owner, Panther trucks 5508, 5509, 5641
Highway Watch Participant, Truckerbuddy
EO Forum Moderator
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Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like.
Whether you like somebody or not, whether you agree with somebody or not, whether you never agree with somebody or not, just say what you have to say without pointing fingers or belittling or attempting to make anybody else look bad for what they say or believe or write or don't write. How pathetic is it when all that can be done is to waste time and energy on counting words? I'm a readers digest kind of guy. I hit and run and I look for the concise entires. Just because I won't take the time to write more doesn't mean nobody should or that I should look down on longer posts.
So let's get back to the original topic and if you don't have something to contribute on that just stick to reading mode.
Leo Bricker, 73's K5LDB, OOIDA Life Member 677319
Owner, Panther trucks 5508, 5509, 5641
Highway Watch Participant, Truckerbuddy
EO Forum Moderator
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Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like.
pelicn
Veteran Expediter
>It really doesn't matter one iota whether a post has 2
>words, 200 words, 2000 words or 20000 words. Read it if you
>want to. Skip over it if you want to. Every post is valuable
>to some. Every post is worthless to some. Everyone is
>brilliant and insightful and wise in some ways to some
>people. Nobody is brilliant or insightful or wise in any way
>to some people.
>
>Whether you like somebody or not, whether you agree with
>somebody or not, whether you never agree with somebody or
>not, just say what you have to say without pointing
>fingers or belittling or attempting to make anybody else
>look bad for what they say or believe or write or don't
>write. How pathetic is it when all that can be done is to
>waste time and energy on counting words? I'm a readers
>digest kind of guy. I hit and run and I look for the concise
>entires. Just because I won't take the time to write more
>doesn't mean nobody should or that I should look down on
>longer posts.
>
Here Here!! Thank you LDB....Well said!
>words, 200 words, 2000 words or 20000 words. Read it if you
>want to. Skip over it if you want to. Every post is valuable
>to some. Every post is worthless to some. Everyone is
>brilliant and insightful and wise in some ways to some
>people. Nobody is brilliant or insightful or wise in any way
>to some people.
>
>Whether you like somebody or not, whether you agree with
>somebody or not, whether you never agree with somebody or
>not, just say what you have to say without pointing
>fingers or belittling or attempting to make anybody else
>look bad for what they say or believe or write or don't
>write. How pathetic is it when all that can be done is to
>waste time and energy on counting words? I'm a readers
>digest kind of guy. I hit and run and I look for the concise
>entires. Just because I won't take the time to write more
>doesn't mean nobody should or that I should look down on
>longer posts.
>
Here Here!! Thank you LDB....Well said!
How pathetic is it when all that can be done is to waste time and energy on counting words?
There is a program that counts all that stuff with a quick click. What is strange is that you took the time and responded.
As in typical fashion, Terry, Dave and everyone called it right on your topic without writing a novel. I believe that was everyones point.
Ronnie
There is a program that counts all that stuff with a quick click. What is strange is that you took the time and responded.
As in typical fashion, Terry, Dave and everyone called it right on your topic without writing a novel. I believe that was everyones point.
Ronnie
sixwheeler
Expert Expediter
>How pathetic is it when all that can be done is to waste
>time and energy on counting words?
>
>There is a program that counts all that stuff with a quick
>click. What is strange is that you took the time and
>responded.
>
>As in typical fashion, Terry, Dave and everyone called it
>right on your topic without writing a novel. I believe that
>was everyones point.
>
>
>
>Ronnie
"Pathetic" might be slightly strong terminology. This is the first of January and as such expediters might find a little free time occasionally for such endeavors.
>time and energy on counting words?
>
>There is a program that counts all that stuff with a quick
>click. What is strange is that you took the time and
>responded.
>
>As in typical fashion, Terry, Dave and everyone called it
>right on your topic without writing a novel. I believe that
>was everyones point.
>
>
>
>Ronnie
"Pathetic" might be slightly strong terminology. This is the first of January and as such expediters might find a little free time occasionally for such endeavors.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Leo Said; “How pathetic is it when all that can be done is to waste time and energy on counting words?â€
OK, Leo I guess I am pathetic.
Pathetic is a strong and very insulting word to me, mainly because you don’t know me and to imply and assume what the purpose of my post is all about without asking me directly clearly shows what is wrong here.
The purpose for the word count for your information was not to insult Phil, it was not to make fun of Phil or point out anything else about his post – he has a lot to say and some of it is thought provoking and very useful but like me, he becomes longwinded which is alright. The real reason I posted the word count (which took me all but 2 minutes to do and I do it out of habit when I submit articles thank you very much) was to eliminate the speculation of how many words were posted by Phil which the speculation frustrates me almost as much as being insulted and because I am getting tire of people beating up on long posts – me being one of them, Phil being another.
My apologies to Terry.
OK, Leo I guess I am pathetic.
Pathetic is a strong and very insulting word to me, mainly because you don’t know me and to imply and assume what the purpose of my post is all about without asking me directly clearly shows what is wrong here.
The purpose for the word count for your information was not to insult Phil, it was not to make fun of Phil or point out anything else about his post – he has a lot to say and some of it is thought provoking and very useful but like me, he becomes longwinded which is alright. The real reason I posted the word count (which took me all but 2 minutes to do and I do it out of habit when I submit articles thank you very much) was to eliminate the speculation of how many words were posted by Phil which the speculation frustrates me almost as much as being insulted and because I am getting tire of people beating up on long posts – me being one of them, Phil being another.
My apologies to Terry.
My statement was made in general to try to get everyone to focus on topics and being helpful and informative while ignoring meaningless things like word count, noun/verb ratio, dangling participles and any and all other things that don't help other members. I appreciate those of you who can and do take the time to post detailed responses. I don't have the patience to write them although I can formulate the draft in my head in short order. I had no intention of insulting anyone and regret anyone believing my statements were directed toward them specifically rather than pointing out the frustration these tangential treks bring to the forum.
Leo Bricker, 73's K5LDB, OOIDA Life Member 677319
Owner, Panther trucks 5508, 5509, 5641
Highway Watch Participant, Truckerbuddy
EO Forum Moderator
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Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like.
Leo Bricker, 73's K5LDB, OOIDA Life Member 677319
Owner, Panther trucks 5508, 5509, 5641
Highway Watch Participant, Truckerbuddy
EO Forum Moderator
----------
Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like.
Broompilot
Veteran Expediter
Phil has alot to say and very informative. I choose not read it though as it is just to long repeating what others typed earlier and giving a long explantion.
Phil in otherwords condense your thoughts, and many more people including myself just might begin reading it again, your opinions are appriciated when short and to the point.
Terry, very nice homework.
Phil in otherwords condense your thoughts, and many more people including myself just might begin reading it again, your opinions are appriciated when short and to the point.
Terry, very nice homework.