roller floors

NB Trucker

Expert Expediter
Just saw a show on discovery about large aircraft, one of the planes featured was the C5a. They showed a clip about how the load floor has several strips which they can flip from flat to roller for loading/unloading pallets.
For those airforce or former airforce personel on board, are the pallets they use special, or would a similar strip style of rollers work in an expediting situation? I saw the post about the Sprinter with rollers installed, were those single strips, or wider units?
Thanks, I 'hate it' when my mind keeps dreaming up solutions to problems I'm not currently facing.
 

Weave

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
I have loaded/unloaded expedited freight from old DC3's on airport runways. These prop planes have 2 wheels on the wings, and a small tail wheel, and sit at about a 30 degree or so angle when on the ground. Most have the rollers on the floor, and use a winch to get any type of regular pallet up towards the nose, then they lock the pallets in. If you ask nicely, the pilots will let you sit in the cockpit while they load you. Looking out the windows of these things, I would be scared to death to try to move it on a runway. Some of these now air cargo movers are 50+ years old.
-Weave-
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
NB Trucker,

I think you're onto something here that merits consideration, especially by B-unit drivers. Like you, I saw that thread where the Sprinter owner put grocery store type rollers on the floor of his van. I thought that was brilliant! I wish I could remember who it was to give him credit here.

Perhaps the next step in such thinking is to probe the air cargo industry for ideas. Avaiation engineers are constantly weighing strength against weight. All sorts of roller and pallet systems have been developed for planes. Perhaps something done there can be modified for B-unit use.

Here's one link to stir your thoughts.

http://www.aarcorp.com/manufact/cargo_systems.html
 

Glen Rice

Veteran Expediter
I would think the clatter and banging from the rollers would drive me nuts! Maybe in a "C" or "D" unit? I need quite! I need to take my meds now!! LOL!
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
If memory serves me right, the C-5 is the length of 3 football fields. While in the Marines, I was based at Stewart ANGB, and those things were MONSTEROUS!!! Our C-130s looked like toys next to them. Anyways... both the C-5s and the C-130s have the rollers, and I doubt the loadmasters could get anything off without them.

T-hawk
 

Weave

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
The fellow with the roller floor Sprinter van is the legendary Geo, George MacDonald.
-Weave-
 

geo

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Retired Expediter
US Navy
i see might have change how the van does things
the roller for hearse that go in floor and raise up when you need them but they cost alot and if you go to junk yard to see if they
have any they want alot for them so went to wt granger and
got 18" and 24" they come in ten foot lenght's and cut at 3 feet to cover 13'9' cargo space and only loose 2" of my height so not a bad trade off also they don't make any noise, i quess as i have radio
turn up and listing 97.3 eagle great county station
and have had 2900 lbs on one pallet and no problems
just have make sure ya all tie down or you will have night mares or is that day mares
 

NB Trucker

Expert Expediter
geo,
Of course you'd have to secure the skids. :eek: if you didn't, ohhhh, let's just not go there. If I recall, you have a sprinter, correct? those two inches are of no importance 90% of the time I bet.
 

NB Trucker

Expert Expediter
Ateam
I'm still in the research phase, but I like to think I have a few good ideas. WOw that AAR is some outfit, bet they'd go 'huh' though when we called.
Ancra that was posted in another response has this topic locked down. THey've got more ways to secure freight than you can shake a stick at. When I build my truck they'll be features I'm going to afford that's for sure. They've even got a motorized system that will move the pallets for you!
 

NB Trucker

Expert Expediter
gojack,
wow, that's a great site. They'll outfit anything up to and including the c5! I prowled around their site, and for the budget conscious truckers, here's an alternative to consider:
http://www.ancra-llc.com/81384.htm
They're intended for airplanes, but I bet you could mount them with a raised subfloor so they wouldn't get in the way.

They make roller tracks. I like the pneumatic lift idea, but when starting up, I doubt I'll be able to afford them, On the other hand, i'll be 'affording' a lot of things, so what's one more item? Good thing I've got time before this becomes an 'issue'.

Again, great site, thanks for sharing!
 

geo

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Charter Member
Retired Expediter
US Navy
if we all call both companies that will make em think there is a market there and maybe we could get it so cost is with in reason
so thanks for info
like a gun fighter once said there is always someone or something better
again thanks for improving my idea
 

alliekpnon

Expert Expediter
I can shed some light on this subject,I worked for federal express {AGFS} 8 yrs all 747,727,DC10 aircraft have roller floors running lenght of crgo deck steel containers loaded with freight some weighing up to 3,000 lbs are easily manuevered back to front until all positions are full.I also drove tractor trailers 53ft,pup trailers 27 ft,and straight trucks all have roller decks air activated with a push/pull of lever.rollers run full lenght of deck can give you any insight as to where or who installs these systems.anyway these vehichles were originally made to transport same types of containers they load on aircraft.these vehicles function to interface with aircraft onload/offload as well as each other back to back trailers,straight trucks very handy.I also was a class heavyweight courier,delivered/pickup skids,pallets,wood boxs,containers off all types boxed car parts all these can moved across rollers however there are certain problems these rollers were made for SPECIFIC PURPOSE, BROAD FLAT SMOOTH BOTTOM SURFACES MOVE EXCESSIVE WEIGHT 3,000 LBS AND MORE ON THESE ROLLERS WITH EASE uneven surfaces,narrow surfaces,broken surfaces,delicate surfaces, cause problems that once one learns the ins outs become quite manageable,there was no type of container,pallet,box,or piece that I could not move across the rollers quite easily after figureing out exactlty how it needed to be done.I did the heavyweight thing four years commercial and residential sometimes no docks, forklifts only liftgate, rollers were very beneficial to get freight back to liftgate down of truck after a couple years we all started useing pallet jacks however there were many times I chose to use rollers rather than pallet jack.you do need load locks for freight even though the rollers can be deactivated and retract to below surface of floor,leaving rollers up can be disastourous even though the rollers deactivated automatically when brakes were disengaged but still leaving enough pressure if freight was not secured to roll a considerable distance,there is another means of loading freight on these rollers, we called them pancake,cookie sheets large flat steel sheets originally used for oversized freight that would not fit in containers heavyweight division utilized them. Im sure these would be a costly investment definitley specialty equipment,as well as roller system.we loaded freight on sheets,sheets had large crgo nets with attachable clips all the way around perimeter of sheet put all freight on the sheet throw cargo net over nothings comeing of sheet unless it flips almost impossible unless very top heavy setting inside staight truck or trailer dont recall exact dimentions probaly 2 inches clearance on each side of truck box 6-7 ft long.only disadvantage being you have to know exactly how your stops have to come of and load sheets accordingly or it will be self defeating you can load sheets 6 ft high 3,000-4,000 lbs move with ease across good set of rollers.I will not go on anymore about this subject just wanted to share what I know about this topic I could answer more specifically to any questions.you all have a good CHRISTMAS,STILL LOOKING FOR A DRIVING JOB TAKE CARE
 

NB Trucker

Expert Expediter
What was the spacing of the rollers from the wall, and then between the rollers roughly?

I was thinking of this primarily as a way to load/unload a B unit or a Sprinter, as a dock height truck can usually fit a forklift in it. I'm no expert, how about it all you folk out in the trenches. For those of you with a D unit, is this something you'd be interested in as well? or would you simply invest in E track and a pallet puller and be done with it?

As for the cookie sheets, if one were to have the rollers installed, in a B unit, and you wanted to ensure that you could easily get the skids in and out, I'd have a couple of 1/2" thick 1/2 sheets of CDX plywood on hand. They would distribute the weight and be easily stowed on the sides of the van. When they inevitably get chewed up, simply stop by the BORG (Big Orange Retail Giant - Home Depot) and buy another sheet and have them cut it in half for you. I would cut a pair of hand-holds near each edge about two inches in, so you could pick them up and stow them easily when not needed.
You'd only have to keep as many of those panels as you can fit skids in the unit, which would be at most, what 4 skids?

I really like terry and rene's (I believe it was you, apologies if I'm mistaken) polyurethaned floor and carpet idea, too. essentially a no moving parts solution to this problem. Do you find the floor to be too slippery to walk on though?
 

terryandrene

Veteran Expediter
Safety & Compliance
US Coast Guard
NB: I've thought of the rollers in the past, particularly after seeing the setup at FEDEX terminal in Indy. I discounted them for a van, as the thickness of the floor would leave you a little short on a 4' tall skid. My urethaned Baltic Birch floor is not slippery because I spray silicone lubricant on the doormat pieces, not the floor; works great for any weight we handle.
 

geo

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Charter Member
Retired Expediter
US Navy
called two companies after looking at there web site
and they both said they only do aircraft and they would run in6,000 or more for roller in a truck

they both told me about kmh roller system that would be less
they have a web site check it out and they have alot of neat equipment
so ordered a catalog
they are in the area in portsmouth va so will check them out and
see if they have better equipment than i have
maybe lower roller that would work
so will post what i find out later
again thanks for the help
 

geo

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US Navy
talked to sale person at southern equip in portsmouth va
told me he would be able to get the rollers exact lenght i want them
and would work up a price after the first of the year when i get that info will post here
 
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