Ripples, Racism, Paternalism and :censoredsign: Shame

[clcooper]

"but they do get free money for being under 50% ."


You said the above, YOU said free money. YOU slapped every disabled vet in the face. Free money my hind leg.

if you are going to quote me do it right


"NO one get's free meds from the VA until they are on a 50% or greater disability rating"
but they do get free money for being under 50% . "

you said they don't get free meds untill they get over 50% as i see it you are no differant oh thats right you are the superior being and when you say FREE it is ok .but not for anybody else and you ask what is wrong with people

you know what you will never think out side of your donkey and try to make the USA a better place for all . you want to twist people words around to fit you and your illusions . because you are the superior being . keep asking what is wrong with people never ask your self that .

when you truly stand and believe in the constitution. and not on it like your buddy Obama .

 

[clcooper]

I have no illusions. Good night Poindexter, where ever you are. I am leaving before I get my self banned.

Free money, my hind leg.

oh yes you do .YOUR illusion is you are the superior being. YOUR way is the right way and all shou do it YOUR way . if not they shou all be lead to the furnaces .YOUR illusions is why freedom of speech is on the bill of rights . YOUR illusions is why freedom of religion is on the bill of rights . YOUR illusion is why there is so many laws and regulations .

because YOUR illusion is it is to be this way and everybody else must follow .

because YOUR illusion is you wonder want is wrong with others. but you don't worry about YOUR own wrongs . YOUR illusion is because you don't have any wrong everybody else has the wrongs YOU only have the rights and for the small minded rights isn't just the rights in the bill of rights .

 

[Turtle]

you know what you will never think out side of your donkey and try to make the USA a better place for all .

That's a personal attack.

when you truly stand and believe in the constitution. and not on it like your buddy Obama .

Aaaaand... that's a troll.

Stick to the issues of the post, not the poster. If you want to make it personal, take it to a PM or to another Web site.

 

[clcooper]

That's a personal attack.

Aaaaand... that's a troll.

Stick to the issues of the post, not the poster. If you want to make it personal, take it to a PM or to another Web site.

that is what i was doing . because i used the military as a example . i am maked with i am a military hater .

so is one group aloud to get Viagra but anouther cant get Birth control

WHY IS IT OK FOR THIS GROUP BUT NOT FOR THE OTHER GROUP .

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

"All men are created equal"

 

[witness23]

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Thank you

 

[AMonger]

that is what i was doing . because i used the military as a example . i am maked with i am a military hater .

so is one group aloud to get Viagra but anouther cant get Birth control



We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

"All men are created equal"

Well, because the government had an agreement with one group--the veterans--struck when they enlisted. Some of them have an ongoing agreement because of the nature of their service that entitles them to ongoing medical care. Others have no such agreement.

I know you're quite the union man. Should I be able to get Chrysler to pay for my medical care even though I've never been in the UAW or any other union, in the absence of any agreement with me to do so?

If this woman wants birth control, she should get out her own checkbook and go to the Statue of Liberty to get them, like other women. What happened to the notion that you pay for your own necessities? My van is due for an oil change; should I demand that the gummint get CIS to cover it?
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You know the problem with bad cops? They make the other 5% look bad.

 

[clcooper]

Well, because the government had an agreement with one group--the veterans--struck when they enlisted. Some of them have an ongoing agreement because of the nature of their service that entitles them to ongoing medical care. Others have no such agreement.

I know you're quite the union man. Should I be able to get Chrysler to pay for my medical care even though I've never been in the UAW or any other union, in the absence of any agreement with me to do so?

If this woman wants birth control, she should get out her own checkbook and go to the Statue of Liberty to get them, like other women. What happened to the notion that you pay for your own necessities? My van is due for an oil change; should I demand that the gummint get CIS to cover it?
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You know the problem with bad cops? They make the other 5% look bad.

shows how much you know .i have never been in a union .

Statue of Liberty sells birth control.

again stop judgeing and start thinking .

again get your head out of your donkey . IF THEY COVER FOR ONE GROUP THEY NEED TO COVER FOR THE OTHER GROUP . same as you cover for white you cover for blacks also . and the same as you cover blacks you cover whites also . you cover male you cover females also just as you cover for female you cover for males also .

just like the make a laws it doesnt mean that law is to be for this group and not for the other group .

so there should be people or groups that are ABOVE THE LAW over other people or other groups .

are women that would use brith control able to be Active Duty on submarines.

so what i have learned so for is the WHITE MALE has rights and nobody else has rights .unless the white male give them rights .

so if a goup of people are denied to be on a submarine. their rights should be denied also. and it is ok to say they didnt earn the rights because they werent on the submarine .for the small minded i used submarine as a example . there is a few other things that is denied i could of use but choose to use submarine. if i need to list them all . no wonder the USA is in the shape it is .

 

[Turtle]

that is what i was doing . because i used the military as a example . i am maked with i am a military hater .

No, you're marked as someone who attacks others personally and as someone who resorts to trolling, both because you failed to make your argument based on the issues and must resort to personal attacks and troll-baiting (and now as the victim) to win your argument.

so is one group aloud to get Viagra but anouther cant get Birth control

Congratulations, you've finally demonstrated a correct understanding of one of the issues in this thread.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

"All men are created equal"

"Created equal" and "should end up equal" is not the same thing. "All men are created equal" does not mean the US Constitution is a manifest for Communism where everyone IS presently equal in all facets of their daily lives. It is a statement that all men have equal rights, some of which are unalienable and cannot be taken away, such as Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. It doesn't say people have the unalienable rights of Life, Liberty and Happiness, but Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. You have the right to pursue happiness, but attaining it is not a right

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

 

[Turtle]

again stop judgeing and start thinking .

Good advice. I strongly suggest you take it.

again get your head out of your donkey .

The Code of Conduct is quite clear on respecting the other members of EO. If you continue to demonstrate the willful inability to respect other members here online, it will not go well for you.

As for the rest of your rant about covering for this or that and laws for one group or another, I suggest you learn what a "right" actually is, and that you learn the difference between a "right" and a "privilege", and the difference of a "benefit" and a "paid-for service". Because most of what you are saying indicates you have no clue that these terms all refer to different things.

Also, as a friendly piece of advice, you may want to refrain, with all your will and might, the temptation to start sentences with "just like" or "like" and the use some sort of analogy, because you're analogies are either almost always wrong, or completely unrelated to the issue you are trying to make analogous.

 

[clcooper]

No, you're marked as someone who attacks others personally and as someone who resorts to trolling, both because you failed to make your argument based on the issues and must resort to personal attacks and troll-baiting (and now as the victim) to win your argument.

Congratulations, you've finally demonstrated a correct understanding of one of the issues in this thread.
"Created equal" and "should end up equal" is not the same thing. "All men are created equal" does not mean the US Constitution is a manifest for Communism where everyone IS presently equal in all facets of their daily lives. It is a statement that all men have equal rights, some of which are unalienable and cannot be taken away, such as Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. It doesn't say people have the unalienable rights of Life, Liberty and Happiness, but Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. You have the right to pursue happiness, but attaining it is not a right

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

so when i say why the USA is in the shape it is . how is that a personal attack. only way i see it is a attack on somebody is they see themselves in want i said .

i was questioned on my EXAMPLE is how it was taken off topic . the parts where i said I DON'T CARE THE WHO WHAT AND WHEN i care about the USA moving forward not backward makes me a Communist and a trouble maker now

up to post 34 please tell me where i attacked others personally then read post 34 . and then tell me if that was a personal attack on me

don't Congratulations me when i have been staying on topic the whole time .
"so is one group aloud to get Viagra but another cant get Birth control " is it only men that have rights

 

[clcooper]

Good advice. I strongly suggest you take it.

The Code of Conduct is quite clear on respecting the other members of EO. If you continue to demonstrate the willful inability to respect other members here online, it will not go well for you.

As for the rest of your rant about covering for this or that and laws for one group or another, I suggest you learn what a "right" actually is, and that you learn the difference between a "right" and a "privilege", and the difference of a "benefit" and a "paid-for service". Because most of what you are saying indicates you have no clue that these terms all refer to different things.

Also, as a friendly piece of advice, you may want to refrain, with all your will and might, the temptation to start sentences with "just like" or "like" and the use some sort of analogy, because you're analogies are either almost always wrong, or completely unrelated to the issue you are trying to make analogous.

please tell me what a right is ,a privilege is and the difference of a "benefit" and a "paid-for service"..

tell me what respect is .

because what i see every group of people have their own definition.

 

[Turtle]

so when i say why the USA is in the shape it is . how is that a personal attack.

It's not a personal attack. Telling someone, "you will never think out side of your donkey and try to make the USA a better place for all" is a personal attack.
want i said .

i was questioned on my EXAMPLE is how it was taken off topic . the parts where i said I DON'T CARE THE WHO WHAT AND WHEN i care about the USA moving forward not backward makes me a Communist and a trouble maker now

No, not being able to stay on topic, and attacking other members is what makes you a trouble maker now.

up to post 34 please tell me where i attacked others personally then read post 34 . and then tell me if that was a personal attack on me

Well, let's see. You took it off-topic in Post #23 when you introduced Layout's job and going after good guys and bad guys, and continued off-topic when you brought up Viagra and should Viagra be treated the same way as birth control and then about how the military insurance treats birth control. You then posted the comp rates for the military, which has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic. Other than that, you were on topic and made no personal attacks through Post #34.

don't Congratulations me when i have been staying on topic the whole time .
"so is one group aloud to get Viagra but another cant get Birth control " is it only men that have rights

That's the problem, Viagra isn't on-topic, nor is what different insurance companies choose to cover. Nor is it about rights. Some insurance companies cover Viagra, but not all of them. Some insurance companies cover contraception, but not all of them. What they do or do not cover is not a violation of someone's rights.

Did you know that there is a law, enacted by Congress, that specifically says women with breast cancer can receive certain publicly-funded cancer treatments, but men with breast cancer cannot? That's an actual law that favors one gender over another. It's not a decision by an insurance company, but a federal law enacted by Congress. All men are created equal, and in that case all men are equally barred from receiving the cancer treatments. Women can get 'em, though.

 

[Turtle]

please tell me what a right is ,a privilege is and the difference of a "benefit" and a "paid-for service"..

tell me what respect is .

because what i see every group of people have their own definition.

I really don't have the time, energy or inclination to give you a course on Life 101. But a right is something that cannot be taken away without just cause. A privilege is something that can be taken away for any reason, including no reason at all. A benefit is something which is good or advantageous that is either earned or awarded or gifted. And a paid-for service is something you actually have to pay for to receive.

Respect is treating others as you would like to be treated.

 

[clcooper]

It's not a personal attack. Telling someone, "you will never think out side of your donkey and try to make the USA a better place for all" is a personal attack.
want i said .

No, not being able to stay on topic, and attacking other members is what makes you a trouble maker now.

Well, let's see. You took it off-topic in Post #23 when you introduced Layout's job and going after good guys and bad guys, and continued off-topic when you brought up Viagra and should Viagra be treated the same way as birth control and then about how the military insurance treats birth control. You then posted the comp rates for the military, which has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic. Other than that, you were on topic and made no personal attacks through Post #34.

That's the problem, Viagra isn't on-topic, nor is what different insurance companies choose to cover. Nor is it about rights. Some insurance companies cover Viagra, but not all of them. Some insurance companies cover contraception, but not all of them. What they do or do not cover is not a violation of someone's rights.

Did you know that there is a law, enacted by Congress, that specifically says women with breast cancer can receive certain publicly-funded cancer treatments, but men with breast cancer cannot? That's an actual law that favors one gender over another. It's not a decision by an insurance company, but a federal law enacted by Congress. All men are created equal, and in that case all men are equally barred from receiving the cancer treatments. Women can get 'em, though.

what is the topic

i dont know what to say other then this is why the USA is the way it is . both sides /all sides need to grow up .

there is some bad words but alot of truth of how others treat and say about others .

i dont care if you are black or white . i dont care if you like Rush Limbaugh or you hate him or anybody else named . i dont care if you are right wing or left wing .

i believe NO HUMAN should be treated like that . WE ALL HAVE RIGHTS

"This is the world we live in. This is what women (we all )deal with all the time. We are stifled, slandered, disrobed, prodded and humiliated for the sake of control.

When women (we all) collectively demand anything that resembles equality or something that would lead to our empowerment, the forces that work against us will get around eventually to robbing us of dignity and ripping off our clothes in public to expose our private parts. The latest war on women over mandated birth control coverage is the perfect setup for the female and male misogynists "

the quotions i added and is what i say . it is not just the women being treated that way

"It's so schoolyard-ish, it's almost unworthy of attention but this is a widespread problem."

the key words
both sides /all sides need to grow up .
unworthy of attention but this is a widespread problem
alot of truth of how others treat and say about others .
for the sake of control

what was the topic was it brith control or could it be the treatment of other people

WHY isnt men with breast cancer publicly-funded cancer treatments .
what is segregation ???

 

[clcooper]

I really don't have the time, energy or inclination to give you a course on Life 101. But a right is something that cannot be taken away without just cause. A privilege is something that can be taken away for any reason, including no reason at all. A benefit is something which is good or advantageous that is either earned or awarded or gifted. And a paid-for service is something you actually have to pay for to receive.

Respect is treating others as you would like to be treated.

and what group is that from . and as you have stated above i agree with .
can any of those words be used together or are they like a magnet +and - . never can be together

 

[AMonger]

shows how much you know .i have never been in a union .

I am indeed surprised. You usually sound like a union man. Whoops, that could be taken for a personal attack. I'd be offended if someone called me a union man.

Statue of Liberty sells birth control.

A line from an old Saturday Night Live bit. "They have to stop off at the Statue of Liberty to pick up their birth control devices. We are TWO WILD AND CRAZY GUYS!"

again stop judgeing and start thinking .

Here's my thinking: you or Sandra Fluke or anyone else want birth control, get out your checkbook and pay for them yourself. You can't seriously expect me to subsidize your copulatory activities, either through tax money or gummint mandated insurance coverage. Former military personnel who are disabled are covered under agreement for obvious reasons. We have no agreement with college kids to subsidize their sex lives, nor any basis for an agreement.

again get your head out of your donkey . IF THEY COVER FOR ONE GROUP THEY NEED TO COVER FOR THE OTHER GROUP .

The military covers for disabled veterans so they should cover for left-handed Eskimos? There's no rational basis to cover for someone else. The deal is, if you're disabled in combat or retire from a career in the military, the gummint will take care of you, medically. That's the deal going in. How does this extend to a college chick who wants to get it on with her boyfriend? That's irrational thinking.

I don't feel attacked by you telling me to get my head out of my donkey, or even my @$$. Maybe we're taking prohibitions on attacks a bit too far, at least for the Soapbox, where spirited discussions are the norm.

same as you cover for white you cover for blacks also . and the same as you cover blacks you cover whites also . you cover male you cover females also just as you cover for female you cover for males also .

That has nothing whatsoever to do with this. We have an agreement for disabled and retired veterans--of both sexes and without regard to skin color, btw--for obvious reasons. It's not based on race or sex, just military service.

are women that would use brith control able to be Active Duty on submarines.

There should be no women on submarines, so that takes care of that.

so what i have learned so for is the WHITE MALE has rights and nobody else has rights .unless the white male give them rights .

As I already pointed out, this objection is ridiculous. Coverage is already provided regardless of race or sex. A black female military veteran who qualifies under the same standard as everybody else is covered the same as the white male veteran. Don't embarrass yourself any farther by pretending otherwise.

so if a goup of people are denied to be on a submarine. their rights should be denied also. and it is ok to say they didnt earn the rights because they werent on the submarine .

Neither serving on a submarine or any other particular duty in the military, or serving in the military itself, is a right. Never has been. But women and minorities are both eligible to serve in the military for 20+ years and retire honorably, thus qualifying for VA care. Are you really whining for military members who weren't disabled because of their service? Really? Because I'm sure the disabled ones would trade with the able-bodied in a fraction of a heartbeat, even if it meant giving up their birth control and their vascular ED penis pumps. Wow, what a trade! I join the military, am called up to fight, take some shrapnel in the groin, permanently disabling me. Now clcooper begrudges me the coverage I receive because the military has no responsibility to subsidize the sex life of the Sandra Flukes of the world. You see how ridiculous that sounds? Now please don't embarrass yourself any further.

Do you begrudge the handicapped their parking places, too? "WHAT'S THIS CLASS NONSENSE? WHY CAN'T SANDRA FLUKE PARK THERE? EVERYTHING MUST BE EQUAL!"

no wonder the USA is in the shape it is .

You got that part right. This is what happens when people feel entitled to Other People's Money and elect socialists to get it for them.



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You know the problem with bad cops? They make the other 5% look bad.

 

[clcooper]

Here's my thinking: you or Sandra Fluke or anyone else want birth control, get out your checkbook and pay for them yourself. You can't seriously expect me to subsidize your copulatory activities, either through tax money or gummint mandated insurance coverage. Former military personnel who are disabled are covered under agreement for obvious reasons. We have no agreement with college kids to subsidize their sex lives, nor any basis for an agreement..

where have i said that it should be paid with tax money or gummint mandated

The military covers for disabled veterans so they should cover for left-handed Eskimos? There's no rational basis to cover for someone else. The deal is, if you're disabled in combat or retire from a career in the military, the gummint will take care of you, medically. That's the deal going in. How does this extend to a college chick who wants to get it on with her boyfriend? That's irrational thinking..

and where have i said that .

I don't feel attacked by you telling me to get my head out of my donkey, or even my @$$. Maybe we're taking prohibitions on attacks a bit too far, at least for the Soapbox, where spirited discussions are the norm..

was never meant to be an attack.

There should be no women on submarines, so that takes care of that..

what why not but then you want to deny them the chance to receive the same benefits .

As I already pointed out, this objection is ridiculous. Coverage is already provided regardless of race or sex. A black female military veteran who qualifies under the same standard as everybody else is covered the same as the white male veteran. Don't embarrass yourself any farther by pretending otherwise..

again this was not about anything to do with the military , READ WHAT I FIRST POSTED

Neither serving on a submarine or any other particular duty in the military, or serving in the military itself, is a right. Never has been. But women and minorities are both eligible to serve in the military for 20+ years and retire honorably, thus qualifying for VA care. Are you really whining for military members who weren't because of their service? Really? Because I'm sure the disabled ones would trade with the able-bodied in a fraction of a heartbeat, even if it meant giving up their birth control and their vascular ED penis pumps. Wow, what a trade! I join the military, am called up to fight, take some shrapnel in the groin, permanently disabling me. Now clcooper begrudges me the coverage I receive because the military has no responsibility to subsidize the sex life of the Sandra Flukes of the world. You see how ridiculous that sounds? Now please don't embarrass yourself any further.

Do you begrudge the handicapped their parking places, too? "WHAT'S THIS CLASS NONSENSE? WHY CAN'T SANDRA FLUKE PARK THERE? EVERYTHING MUST BE EQUAL!".

You got that part right. This is what happens when people feel entitled to Other People's Money and elect socialists to get it for them..

are you sure that is the only problem in the USA . could it be people believe their rights are more important them what others rights . do you think it might be that some think their way is the best way and the rest must follow them .

You know the problem with bad cops? They make the other 5% look bad.

as of 2009 women were not Allowed on submarines . and there is other thing they are not Allowed to do .

have you every asked if i was in the military

where have i said there should be no coverage disabled veteran so instead of reading what i say add your own (which you have )words to what i say . maybe you can make yourself feel good about yourself

while you read what i first post with the link you will see what i meant