Reserve soldier gets pushy, cop slaps him down
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And this thread is soooo worthy of thoughtful and intelligent comments. I'd say my addition was pretty much on par of what was already put forth.
Actually it's not even on topic, much less on par. You're still antagonizing and confronting rather than joining in or adding to the discussions. It's getting old and wearing thin.
witness23
Veteran Expediter
Too funny. Why would you have to "recreate" the situation in your mind, its right there on video for you. That's the problem, you're taking a situation and recreating it in your mind that fits what you think "ails" America.
These kids today, blah, blah, blah........
I guess the above is the thoughtful and intelligent additions to the thread turtle was talking about.
And with your thought provoking analysis of what went down, you unwittingly proved my point.
What truly surprises me is that we haven't heard someone blaming it on the public school system.
3 - 2 - 1...........
Humble2drive
Expert Expediter
Classic!!
If I called a member out every time their posts were "getting old and wearing thin" on this forum I would have 12,000 posts.
Funny thing is . . . . Layoutshooter hit the like button.
Humble2drive
Expert Expediter
Charge him for what?
Being mad about the 45 minutes?
Posturing?
Stepping forward?
What law was broken?
paullud
Veteran Expediter
The cops have many laws they can use to stick it to someone if they decided to. In this particular case they could have used disorderly conduct or harassment if he actually made contact with the officer.
AMonger
Veteran Expediter
If you make somebody fearful for their safety, that's assault. So if I step forward and posture menacingly, and you believe that I'm about to attack you, I've assaulted you whether or not I've actually touched you. So if the cop truly believed this guy was about to become violent and he then defends himself, he can arrest the guy for assault. The problem comes when cops officially arrest you for that or for disorderly, when they're actually arresting you for "contempt of cop."
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From what I've seen on the video. The cop appears to make a step closer to the kid and therefore is in the range where physical contact could take place. The cop should when all possible deescalate the situation. The kid then moves in slightly closer and postures menacingly and talks confrontational. At this point the cop takes him down. If the cop doesn't move closer, the kid shouldn't be perceived as an immediate threat because there is distance between the two. My conclusion is the cop made a bad police move to step close to him ,but the kid made a menacing posture and due to the very close range that the police officer created, could be then perceived as a threat to due bodily harm.
AMonger
Veteran Expediter
Yes, the cop did something that was sort of the wrong move, but not a crime. He could've done better. Then the kid commits a crime and gets taken down for it.
Ever read Starship Troopers, the novel in which the movie is based? A trainee assaults an instructor and is put to death for it. The main character was on CQ duty and overheard the instructor talking about the incident with the company commander. The instructor blamed himself for letting things get to the point at which the trainee felt he could do that. And in the novel, they tried to give the trainee a break by prescribing alternative punishment, but the trainee demanded a hearing and then it was impossible to give him a break.
So maybe it would have been better for the cop to de-escalate things, but ultimately the kid made his choice to posture menacingly, and he actually got off easy. Isn't "criminal menacing" a crime in some places? I think I've heard that term before.
Ever read Starship Troopers, the novel in which the movie is based? A trainee assaults an instructor and is put to death for it. The main character was on CQ duty and overheard the instructor talking about the incident with the company commander. The instructor blamed himself for letting things get to the point at which the trainee felt he could do that. And in the novel, they tried to give the trainee a break by prescribing alternative punishment, but the trainee demanded a hearing and then it was impossible to give him a break.
So maybe it would have been better for the cop to de-escalate things, but ultimately the kid made his choice to posture menacingly, and he actually got off easy. Isn't "criminal menacing" a crime in some places? I think I've heard that term before.
AMonger
Veteran Expediter
There's no evidence that the cop did that. The most we have is a suggestion that the cop may have taken a step toward the kid, which may have been appropriate under the circumstance. But if he had postured menacingly, I doubt the kid would have done it in return. That's not an appropriate reaction.
And sometimes, we need cops to be menacing.
Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
Regardless, the cop played alpha dog to a guy who had a legitimate gripe about the cops taking so long. That "I'm a marine" bull doesn't fly. All it tells me is that he likely beat up some sailors while crapfaced. And now he's going to use it to one-up a former soldier. Chicken poop is what it is... he plays "my cahones are bigger than yours", then resorts to his badge when the civilian calls him on it. What a turd.
AMonger
Veteran Expediter
Yes, you're right on that point. It smacked of one-upsmanship.
jaminjim
Veteran Expediter
Have to agree, cop was out to show the guy who was the boss, and then sucker punched him. He just showed what a **** he is.
On another note I guess we learned who did to much posturing.
The end result actually was the proper conclusion. No arrest was made. The cop reasonably could assume though that potential bodily harm would ensue after the guy postured menacingly. Cop takes him down to thwart it. He is subdued,cuffed, and searched for weapons so as to eliminate any threat. Once the threat is over, the guy is uncuffed and released.
AMonger
Veteran Expediter
No, wait. There was no sucker punch, at least not one indicated on tape. The cop is under no obligation to announce, "PREPARE TO DEFEND YOURSELF, SIR! MARQUIS OF QUEENSBURY RULES, OF COURSE." GI Joe needed to be taken down, and down he went.
And the Marine/Army thing only became an issue after the soldier brought it up. Had he not said that yet still postured and chest bumped him, he still needed to be taken down until he stopped his aggression.
AMonger
Veteran Expediter
I think an arrest could have been made and charges laid, but the kid seemed to learn his lesson and won't do that again. So either way works.