Re:CV rates and logging

[OntarioVanMan]

I was thinking.....I know...*L*

Maybe instead of carriers bulling us into the issue...

They could devise a tiered program where rates would reflect the level of professionalism shown by the driver...

Questions such as....Do you log? Do you do Pre-trips? Would you wear a company shirt? yada, yada..

Why should some masked bandit..unmarked under the radar expect to get professional level rates when they are shurking, taking short cuts and not having the same expenses as someone who is being more professional and taking this biz seriously....

on the flip side carriers should NOT expect those of us that comply to all their petty rules to run for less then stellar rates...

 

[greg334]

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So that would mean that most van drivers would make like 15 cents a mile?

 

[OntarioVanMan]

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So that would mean that most van drivers would make like 15 cents a mile?

Exactly..you want no rules, no regulations, no standard of operating...want to fly out of sight...well...get paid like an illegal then....scab wages....right?

 

[purgoose10]

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So that would mean that most van drivers would make like 15 cents a mile?

If I paint my Van black and have 7 antenna's on top I should get 20 cpm, no more no less. I want to make money.

 

[blizzard2014]

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Companies fear vanners who have figured out how to make a good living and not be tied down to arbitraty rules. It is so easy to start up your own company and get the full rate for every load you haul, but most vanners are still stuck in that "employee mentality!"

Unmarked vans are all around us. Drivers who lease on to multiple carriers are always gonna be out there making money because they think outside the carrier box. Just because a truck has a nice paint job, a QC unit on it, and company decals does not mean the driver conducts himself in a professional manner.

Some people like to sit in the dark waiting for dispatch to beep them with a load. Others like to be able to take matters into their own hands and book themselves on a load when one of the carriers they are leased on with is slow to call them.

Some of those unmarked vans got tired of relying on one company to keep them busy and have found a new way to conduct business. Bragging about paying QC fees and other needless company fees is just dumb. I think if a company is going to require their units to be satellite tracked, they need to pay for that service. That has nothing to do with the driver, it is geared towards servicing the customer.

Some unmarked vans have tracking devices provided to them by The Alliance. It only costs 10 dollars a month to have one of these devices installed in your van, and you can be tracked in real time! How are unmarked vans less professional than marked ones? I know unmarked vanners who make more money per mile than some of the larger expedite carrier drivers out there!

 

[chefdennis]

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I know of a few unmarked vans that are hauling freight for 3 -4 different companies and making more money then alot of Carrier contracted drivers, including me!! Don't think for a minute that there aren't bug numbers of unmarked van running freight all over this country....

 

[scottm4211]

I'm dispatched via email to my phone but I do have a ball cap with my company logo somewhere in the van.

 

[Turtle]

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Don't think for a minute that there aren't bug numbers of unmarked van running freight all over this country....

Considering that the DOT doesn't require lettering on freight-hauling cargo vans (unless placarded for HAZMAT), that shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. A few states (like Michigan and a couple of others, I think) require lettering, and a few carriers require it, but other than that there's no reason to have it, other than advertising.

 

[scottm4211]

Considering that the DOT doesn't require lettering on freight-hauling cargo vans (unless placarded for HAZMAT), that shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. A few states (like Michigan and a couple of others, I think) require lettering, and a few carriers require it, but other than that there's no reason to have it, other than advertising.

So I can put away my bandits mask?

 

[jelliott]

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Companies fear vanners who have figured out how to make a good living and not be tied down to arbitraty rules. It is so easy to start up your own company and get the full rate for every load you haul, but most vanners are still stuck in that "employee mentality!"

Unmarked vans are all around us. Drivers who lease on to multiple carriers are always gonna be out there making money because they think outside the carrier box. Just because a truck has a nice paint job, a QC unit on it, and company decals does not mean the driver conducts himself in a professional manner.

Some people like to sit in the dark waiting for dispatch to beep them with a load. Others like to be able to take matters into their own hands and book themselves on a load when one of the carriers they are leased on with is slow to call them.

Some of those unmarked vans got tired of relying on one company to keep them busy and have found a new way to conduct business. Bragging about paying QC fees and other needless company fees is just dumb. I think if a company is going to require their units to be satellite tracked, they need to pay for that service. That has nothing to do with the driver, it is geared towards servicing the customer.



Some unmarked vans have tracking devices provided to them by The Alliance. It only costs 10 dollars a month to have one of these devices installed in your van, and you can be tracked in real time! How are unmarked vans less professional than marked ones? I know unmarked vanners who make more money per mile than some of the larger expedite carrier drivers out there!

"The Alliance" isn't a company or a true organization. It is a loosely bound group of companies with common interests. They do not issue equipment, charge or collect money??? Only the individual carrier does that. Thier is no collective program? I know of no hardware or monitoring fee that is $10 per month.

Unless you are talking about TEANA. That is a true trade organization, but again we do not do the things that you are speaking of.

 

[jelliott]

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I know of a few unmarked vans that are hauling freight for 3 -4 different companies and making more money then alot of Carrier contracted drivers, including me!! Don't think for a minute that there aren't bug numbers of unmarked van running freight all over this country....

True question of legality here. Vans are still commercial vehicles.

 

[jjoerger]

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There will always be drivers, brokers, shippers, etc., that will skirt the rules to put another buck in their pocket.
Unfortunately it will be the driver that ends up with the fines when they get caught.

 

[letzrockexpress]

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I don't know why any of you are surprised this goes on or why it bothers you. If you are an Owner/Operator, which I assume most of you are, you are a business person. I see constant posts on this forum about this heater or that heater, do you idle or not idle, where you can get a cheaper shower, what equipment you have on board, etc, etc... all in the name of saving a few bucks out on the road. As business people you are always looking to save money.
Why should a shipper be any different? You think they aren't always looking to cut their costs, especially in shipping? Why should they care that you have a new truck, or a clean truck, or pretty stickers, or a quallcom, or a heater to keep you warm at night or any of the things that, at least theoretically, add to the bottom line, i.e., what the drivers who have all these things are going to run for. You are just a blip on the screen to them. Whichever blip runs for the best rate, that is who gets the load. It is only smart business. It is the american way. Ya know, like Reaganomics...deregulation, don't tread on me, and all that stuff...Unless you are willing to engage in Value Added Selling, and convince somebody that "we're better", the cheaper mouse gets the cheese....As it should be.

 

[chefdennis]

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jelliott wrote:

True question of legality here. Vans are still commercial vehicles.

Commerical Vehicles, yes, Commerical MOTOR Vehicles as per the Feds...no...to be considered a CMV the unit must have a GVW of 10,001 lbs or be a pass vehicle that can carry 15 passengers....

 

[scottm4211]

There will always be drivers, brokers, shippers, etc., that will skirt the rules to put another buck in their pocket.
Unfortunately it will be the driver that ends up with the fines when they get caught.

How does this apply to this thread?

 

[jelliott]

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jelliott wrote:



Commerical Vehicles, yes, Commerical MOTOR Vehicles as per the Feds...no...to be considered a CMV the unit must have a GVW of 10,001 lbs or be a pass vehicle that can carry 15 passengers....

Not true. I will pm you information.

 

[purgoose10]

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How does an operator haul for 3-4 carriers? Are they running on their own brokering a load or? That almost sounds like double brokering? Does the carrier know these people or are they just winging it? I've heard of people doing that but can't see how.

 

[jjoerger]

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How does this apply to this thread?

It applies to this quote from the OP.

"Why should some masked bandit..unmarked under the radar expect to get professional level rates when they are shurking, taking short cuts and not having the same expenses as someone who is being more professional and taking this biz seriously...."

There are people out there running around in cv's that do not operate under any DOT authority or carry commercial vehicle insurance. (I know that a vehicle is only a CMV if it is 10,001 pounds or hauling Hazmat.)

 

[CharlesD]

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How does an operator haul for 3-4 carriers? Are they running on their own brokering a load or? That almost sounds like double brokering? Does the carrier know these people or are they just winging it? I've heard of people doing that but can't see how.

How people do it is one thing, and it's not that hard, but whether or not it's a good idea is another question altogether. Most of the time it just means that multiple carriers are bidding against one another for the same van and the rates are driven down as a result. It creates false competition.

 

[jaminjim]

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Not true. I will pm you information.

Heck John put it out there for all to see.