If they are buying them, then why is the Tea Party trying to primary McConnell and other establishment types? It's because they are trying to root them out and replace them.
Rand Paul selling out social conservatives. No surprise.
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Tennesseahawk
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Ain't gonna happen.
Traditional family values matter amongst conservatives. Taking a moderate stance is what northeastern GOP'ers favor, such as Chris Christie. Southern conservatives will not embrace nor endorse homosexual marriage. Allowances have to be made for regional differences. A northern conservative and a southern conservative aren't the same animal. Traditional marriage is a defining issue for social conservatives. There is no compromise, win or lose.
Tennesseahawk
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Too bad that the courts are overstepping the States like they are. Marriage is NOT a federal matter.
RLENT
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Assuming the premise that "the South" is itself "conservative", it would appear that the premise highlighted in bold above is becoming less true over time. Either that or Southerners are becoming less "conservative":
Judge calls Tenn. gay marriage ban historical 'footnote': Do Southerners now agree? (+video) - CSMonitor.com
RLENT
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Some polling in various "southern" states:
Polling Tracks Growing and Increasingly Diverse Support for the Freedom to Marry | Freedom to Marry
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Not really all that valid a premise that "the South" is itself "conservative," as the bolded premise specifies southern conservatives, not The South. They are different things. One is The South, and the other is the conservatives in The South. Believe it or not, there exists creatures who can be labelled as southern liberals.
The South may eventually succumb to allow gay marriage, but the southern conservatives will not go lightly. Polling everywhere suggests, not surprisingly, that conservatives are the least open to allowing gay marriage, but interestingly blacks are even more resistant to it. When you combine the South's religious conservatism with its large black population, the only way the South will allow gay marriage is by the decision of a court, and not by popular vote. And they won't even allow that without a fight.
I envision several of the southern states taking the same tact that Utah and Oklahoma is, that of state's rights. If a state wants to enact a law allowing same-sex marriage, the federal government cannot deny that right. The argument is, the reverse should also be true, there the federal government cannot compel states to allow same-sex marriage.
If the courts eventually find that the Equal Protection Clause alone invalidates not only DOMA but also every state law and constitutional amendment restricting marriage, which is what some advocates want, such an action of the courts forcing gay marriage on the states will have a whopper of a backlash. In the South in particular, these aren’t just statutes like any ol' statutes, these are state constitutional amendments, supported by huge majorities in the reddest of states.
The ruling in Kentucky the other day, requiring the state to honor out-of-state same-sex marriage licenses (but not opposite-sex marriage license), is going to be an interesting one, because Kentucky, by it's own constitution, isn't even required to honor out-of-state marriage licenses from heterosexual couples. As well, the US Constitution's full faith and credit clause has so far never used to force a state to recognize a marriage it did not wish to recognize.
As for the accuracy and impartiality of the polling numbers at FreedomToMarry.org, I have my reservations, since the very first link I clicked, that of the 61% of Texans who approve of same-sex unions of one kind or another, took me to an unrelated poll about the mayor and the city council conducted in Washington, D.C.
Tennesseahawk
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Rlent, those polls say that so-n-so% of the populous approves of either marriage OR civil union. That's a big leap. I'm ok with civil union, but that's not what the flamers are out to get. They want marriage, and I have a big problem with them redefining that word. So basically, your poll is akin to saying people like puppies, while polling whether or not they like puppies OR kittens.
RLENT
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I suspect some will be shocked at the above revelations ... if not just utterly crushed ...
Tread lightly and with care, lest the youngin's be not asleep and hear your words ...
Texas Miscellany - Public Policy Polling
RLENT
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I think that's true in the case of some of the polls cited ... but not all.
Looks to me like the "OR" aspect is listed where appropriate (and absent where it isn't)
The issue of gay marriage will likely be forced on them whether they like it or not. Usually starts small and then federal funds are withheld until they comply.
What the majority wants in a given state matters little.
Forced legalization already starting in TN.
Federal judge orders Tenn. to recognize 3 same-sex marriages - Action News 5 - Memphis, Tennessee
What the majority wants in a given state matters little.
Forced legalization already starting in TN.
Federal judge orders Tenn. to recognize 3 same-sex marriages - Action News 5 - Memphis, Tennessee
Those from the north, probably. My stepdad is typical. He's nauseatingly liberal, however also a hard core Southern Baptist who is dead set against same-sex marriage. Southern blacks are much like that - liberal, conservative Christians.
That's why I was careful not to post that before midnight.
Tell this guy:
Tea Party Candidate First Ever to Win as Write-In for PA State Senate
It won't happen over night, but with continuous steps in the right direction, however small they may be.
RLENT
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... in a special election ...
Give us a holler if he manages to get re-elected in the normal election.
Mike Waugh was in that seat that long? He first ran when we were fighting fires together. I think it was in 1984?
That district is rather "independent". Don't know if that can translate to the rest of the state, or the nation as a whole.
He first ran when we were fighting fires together. I think it was in 1984?That district is rather "independent". Don't know if that can translate to the rest of the state, or the nation as a whole.
Mike Waugh was in that seat that long?
That district is rather "independent". Don't know if that can translate to the rest of the state, or the nation as a whole.
That was a nasty campaign. Haven't heard such mud slinging since leaving my NYC run; used to it in Jersey, but most races in PA are a wee bit more genteel
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We don't hear much these days about the 'Family Values' that Republicans made the centerpiece of their campaign a few years ago, do we? When the Republicans built their platform and ran on "Family Values", they lost, because they failed to understand how few families fit the traditional Ozzie & Harriet mold these days.
Traditional values have always benefited one particular group: white, Anglo, males. They are understandably reluctant to lose any of that superiority, but the demographics and culture have changed, and it's inevitable. They won't go down without a fight, [and they have considerable resources with which to fight, possessing most of the wealth & power], but they will go down, sooner or later.
Almost makes me wish I'd be around in 4 or 5 decades, just to see how it works out.