Qualcomm Charges

jelliott

Veteran Expediter
Motor Carrier Executive
US Army
I have seen this topic addressed on here from time to time and wanted to get some feedback.

What do you think is the best carriers Qualcomm program and why?

Do you think an owner operator would want to pay for the following if the carrier offered it at cost?

Truck routed navigation (about $2.50-3.00 per week)
Internet access and email (about $2.50-3.00 per week)

Also would love to hear your feedback on scanning and your thoughts on onboard scanning.

Thanks!
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
I have seen this topic addressed on here from time to time and wanted to get some feedback.

What do you think is the best carriers Qualcomm program and why?

Do you think an owner operator would want to pay for the following if the carrier offered it at cost?

Truck routed navigation (about $2.50-3.00 per week)
Internet access and email (about $2.50-3.00 per week)

Also would love to hear your feedback on scanning and your thoughts on onboard scanning.

Thanks!

IMO John..save yourself the trouble...most of us experienced drivers already have developed our own ways....
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
We already have the ability to do those things on board the truck. I would not be willing to pay those costs, unless forced too.
 

jjoerger

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
US Army
We have 2 GPS' and the ability to scan and print.
From what I have heard the GPS in the Quallcom is very slow at recalculating routes and I have yet to meet a solo who likes electronic logging.
With all of the modern electronics out there and text messaging isn't there some way that all info could be sent through a cell phone and miles tracked by a built in GPS chip in the phone?
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
It would be far better if carriers would allow us to pick and choose which C-link services we want or need. I don't know if that is an option with Qualcom or not. I really don't like paying for services that I don't want or need. I really don't like it when it is a condition to remaining with a carrier.
 

jelliott

Veteran Expediter
Motor Carrier Executive
US Army
Internet or navigation, can be turned on or off individually through qualcomm. We have the navigation on the company trucks and it seems to work pretty well. The other advantage is it is truck routing vs general navigation. I guess a CV or sprinter would not care, but bigger vehicles it can be more helpful.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
It would be far better if carriers would allow us to pick and choose which C-link services we want or need. I don't know if that is an option with Qualcom or not. I really don't like paying for services that I don't want or need. I really don't like it when it is a condition to remaining with a carrier.

It maybe an all or nothing thing with QC...don't know if they can individualize with options....

I'd rather have minimum options on QC and REDUCE the price 35 bucks a week is robbery for what we get...how many times does a dispatcher call and say where are ya now? That is frustrating...
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Internet or navigation, can be turned on or off individually through qualcomm. We have the navigation on the company trucks and it seems to work pretty well. The other advantage is it is truck routing vs general navigation. I guess a CV or sprinter would not care, but bigger vehicles it can be more helpful.


The reports that we have heard from drivers that use the Clink GPS say it is only so-so. I have yet to try it. We have a Rand McNally truck GPS but we might not be the norm. It is a nice feature for those who want it. Seems expensive on the surface, but I have not done the math to compare it to stand alone gps units.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Internet or navigation, can be turned on or off individually through qualcomm. We have the navigation on the company trucks and it seems to work pretty well. The other advantage is it is truck routing vs general navigation. I guess a CV or sprinter would not care, but bigger vehicles it can be more helpful.

John...now does the navigation programing MATCH the paid mile routing? Express-1's does NOT...2 different programs..
 

jelliott

Veteran Expediter
Motor Carrier Executive
US Army
Although it is a bit of a pain to administer you can individualize on some qualcomm products.

Ok, is $35 the average of what you guys see out there for carrier charges?

I would find that call annoying as well and I would ask my dispatcher why we were wasting time making a call like that with information right in front of you.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Ours is $35 now but goes up when the new systems go on the truck. They are too high now. We get those calls all the time. I understand the the new units can track trucks better and more accurately then the old ones do. I hope so, we have lost loads because of inaccurate location of our truck.
 

jelliott

Veteran Expediter
Motor Carrier Executive
US Army
What are they going to charge on the new units? What model do you have now?
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
What are they going to charge on the new units? What model do you have now?

John , I don't remember right now how much more it is going to cost. The new contract is out in the truck. I will check on that next time I go out there. Same on what model we have now.

We spent a good bit of last week without Qualcomm service. It does not work very well, if at all, as you get too far north. Still have to pay for it though, in addition to the cell roaming charges. It sucks paying for a service that you are not receiving.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
Do you think an owner operator would want to pay for the following if the carrier offered it at cost?...

...Also would love to hear your feedback on scanning and your thoughts on onboard scanning.

As a self-employed owner-operator and independent contractor, the more independent and self-responsible I can be with my equipment, the better I like it.

Technology changes so fast that any arrangement made today will be trumped by something better in the near future. Individual needs and capabilities vary. All drivers are not alike. Any communications option offered by a carrier will only be appropriate to some people in the fleet.

Truck routing: No GPS system is perfect. Leave it to drivers to research the market and make their best choices as the technology evolves.

E-mail: Privacy matters to me. I don't want to be sending e-mails on carrier-provided equipment. If I want to chat with other drivers about company policies or life on the greener side of the fence, I don't want those words to go through a carrier-provided system, no matter how stringent the privacy protections are said to be.

Scanners, Diane and I have our own in the truck and it works great. If we leave our carrier we keep the scanner. That would not be so if we were dependent on the carrier for a scanning system built into a carrier-provided and carrier-required Qualcomm unit.

If I was looking at a company anew, the more communication freedom a company allows, the more attractive it would be. The more company-mandated communications equipment I would be required to use, the more reasons I have to stay away.
 

jelliott

Veteran Expediter
Motor Carrier Executive
US Army
As a self-employed owner-operator and independent contractor, the more independent and self-responsible I can be with my equipment, the better I like it.

Technology changes so fast that any arrangement made today will be trumped by something better in the near future. Individual needs and capabilities vary. All drivers are not alike. Any communications option offered by a carrier will only be appropriate to some people in the fleet.

Truck routing: No GPS system is perfect. Leave it to drivers to research the market and make their best choices as the technology evolves.

E-mail: Privacy matters to me. I don't want to be sending e-mails on carrier-provided equipment. If I want to chat with other drivers about company policies or life on the greener side of the fence, I don't want those words to go through a carrier-provided system, no matter how stringent the privacy protections are said to be.

Scanners, Diane and I have our own in the truck and it works great. If we leave our carrier we keep the scanner. That would not be so if we were dependent on the carrier for a scanning system built into a carrier-provided and carrier-required Qualcomm unit.

If I was looking at a company anew, the more communication freedom a company allows, the more attractive it would be. The more company-mandated communications equipment I would be required to use, the more reasons I have to stay away.


Alot of good points. Of course with changing technology you are better to not own equipment and "rent" from the carrier. I agree on GPS. We have had good luck with the one we have now, but again none are perfect.

Communication freedom is a great thing. We have Qualcomm's and integrated Nextels. The nextel's have far more limitations than the qualcomms. The other problem with alot of freedom is that from an IT side it is very hard to integrate alot of varied communication solutions into the dispath software systems and to receive consistent information and communication from the unit.

As far as email goes, we were looking at allowing access on the units to a 3rd party service such as hotmail or yahoo. I would have the same concerns as you on privacy.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
The other problem with alot of freedom is that from an IT side it is very hard to integrate alot of varied communication solutions into the dispath software systems and to receive consistent information and communication from the unit.

John
It's funny you mentioned that. From the IT point of view, it is not hard to integrate different information sources within an organization into one or two software packages, the technology isn't the issue and with a good IT project manager you can do almost anything.

The problem is when you buy the dispatch software, many times it is a package with some 'custom' feature that the company needs or wants. Most of the companies who buy the software don't act like they are the customer by following good project management policies that lead to good relationships and lower cost of ownership of the IT systems.

A lot of times what's overlooked when management (and inexperienced people for that matter who shouldn't be in IT) do product selection, they try to speed the process up or don't enlist experienced people who are neutral to advice them which ends up where they have issue later on. One really big issue about software selection is integration issues and how the vendor responds to the customer's needs to facilitate any like issues in the future.

As you know, Qualcomm does have real time data feeds for their units, it costs but it seems so does everything else.

As far as email is concern, you are right. I would be more concern with 'free' email services than anything else.

Back to your question.

I think it may be a blessing for some to have in cab routing without an investment of more equipment. The GPS units, like the one I am testing and the two I have in the sleeper that I finished testing, all seem to have flaws that may be helped with direct use of mapping data. For example, my pickup yesterday was at a glass plant and every GPS unit, the mapping software and even Google maps drew out the same route. That route put me into a small little road with three trailers and a small computer business at the end. I wish I had a van but even with my small truck, it took me a bit of work to get out.

The new system that Layout is speaking of improves the tracking of the truck but all new qualcomms have that now. Many of the issues they have had has to do with other issue but with that said, FedEx has always had issues with trucks that were not where they actually were, like having a truck sitting in between Hawaii and California.
 

jelliott

Veteran Expediter
Motor Carrier Executive
US Army
I agree on the less equipment the better. We have had really good luck with qualcomms truck navigation thru Maptuit. It keeps you on truck routes and actually avoids right hand turns for the tractors if the mileage variable is small to reduce accidents. The few times we found routing problems we notified them and they updated and corrected the system very quickly. I do not know if they have a stand alone product, but their integrated product is very well liked by our company drivers that all have it.

I agree anything can be integrated. But all of that comes at a cost, and it can be staggering. Most software comes with a few standard integrations. Building complete new ones, can take 6 months and tens of thousands of dollars. You have your IT people trying to work with and coordinating the software maker and the hardware provider. All while paying on average $150 to $250 per hour for each of the two provider programmers. These things tend to move very slow and are very costly. We have done alot of customization and upgraded integration and it is exhausting as none of these people work for you and they do not work for each other. To sum it up, if money and time are not in the equation, ANYTHING can be done.
 

jelliott

Veteran Expediter
Motor Carrier Executive
US Army
On your other comment, any good owner constantly evaluates cost of ownership and balancing it to technology advancement. Over the next 45 days we are replacing and upgrading our complete IT hardware and it's structure. As well we are completely replacing and upgrading our phone system this week. Both are expensive but they represent both an ROI and high availability. High availability is basically just more and more redundancy to ensure that we can operate in more an more failure scenarios.

While things are still recovering slowly, those who do not invest in the future and the rebound will be left watching it go bye.
 

shadow7663

Expert Expediter
As a O/O for Load-1 I prefer to keep using the Nextel / Boost system. If I have to pay for something that is mandated by the company I like the fact that it serves as a dual purpose reducing my costs. If we went the qualcom route I have to pay for that service + a cell phone.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
John,
If you are paying T&M on the project, you should look at IBM or another large vendor with in-house services that can cut you a deal and save you money. You may end up with a service contract for exclusive work but I've seen where it saves 20% of the total overall cost.
 
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