Propane in the truck

DannyD

Veteran Expediter
One thing that could also help here, depending on the configuration of your van, is a shower curtain. If you've already got a sleeping area it might not help. If you're in a wide open van w/ an air mattress though, placing a shower curtain or blanket across the back can keep the heat somewhat contained.

When I had my Sprinter it didn't give off enough heat to keep the van warm. Once I put a shower curtain up behind the seats I was able to keep the cab area relativly warm. I would think similar results could be gotten if used in conjunction w/ a propane heater while sleeping.

Stay warm,
Danny
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
An Espar heater sure looks like a lot of money, but when you cost it out it pays for itself in 7 or 8 weeks (for most vans, anyway). Add in the cost savings of no engine wear from idling, and it's cheap at twice the price. No having to mess with propane bottles or whatever, the Espar will keep you toasty all winter, even when you're in your underwear. It's silly to have to wear long johns, a space suit, three pairs of socks and two sweaters just to keep from freezing when you're living in a van down by the river. :D

And since I live in mine, because I spend most of my time in there, I'm gonna live as comfortably as I can. I did one winter without an Espar heater. Did the ceramic heater thing with deep cycle batteries, idled, used propane, pretended I was a mountian climber, stayed cold, irritable, half-sick most of the time, had a cold wet nose and people thought I was a puppy. I'll never do another winter without one.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
how do you come to the conclusion that an espar heater pays for itself in 8 weeks?

I figured that at my present consumption rate, it will take me 15 months of cold weather use.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
Of course, it depends on how much you idle for heat. If it will take 15 months of cold weather use for you, then you idle very little. :)

For those who idle all winter for heat, the typical (in many cases conservative) idle time is 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. Some as much as 12 hours a day. Teams will idle much less, of course. If you stay out over the weekends, sometimes sitting the whole time, your idle time becomes significant over the course of the colder months. Weekly idle times will be 60 or more, and if you idle 10 hours a day during the week, and then say, 24 more on the weekends, you're at 74 for some weeks. Many people will idle more than that.

But, if you idle 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, for 30 weeks, that's 1200 hours of idling. Assuming .8 gallon per hour burned, at $2.75 a gallon, that's $2640. That works out to $2.20 an hour.

For a 40 hour week of idling, that's $88. At that hour and fuel cost rate, the $1400 Espar costs out at 16 weeks. And that's really at a conservatively typical rate.

Each vehicle is different, of course, but most Ford and Chevy vans, for example, will burn a minimum of .8 gallon an hour, usually right at 1 gallon per. (This Sprinter burns only about a third per hour, tho.) But you see it all the time, where a van or truck (solo drivers, mainly) will run loaded for about 40 hours in a week, and the vast majority of the rest of the time they're idling. It's not uncommon at all for one of these vehicles to idle 60 hours during the week, and then another 30 or more over the weekend.

So, if you idle as much as 13 hours a day averaged over 7 days (91 hours a week), you wind up idling for 2730 hours. Even at .8 gal/hr, that's $200 a week. And at 1 gal/hr it's $250 a week.

At $200 a week, the Espar pays for itself in 7 weeks, and at $250 a week it's done in 5 1/2 weeks.

Of course, the heater will burn up .06 gal/hr, so that needs to be factored in. At the 91 hours a week it'll burn about $15 a week in fuel, and at the 40 hours it'll burn about $6.60 a week.

So, for most people, it'll pay for itself somewhere between 8 and 14 weeks. YMMV

But if you even take the most conservative numbers, say just 16 weeks of idling and idle 8 hours a day for 5 days, no idle on the weekends, then the numbers come out to 640 idle hours per winter. At $2.75 a gallon, and at .8 gal.hr, that's $1408 per year. That's the same cost as the heater. But the heater will burn about $105 in fuel during those same 640 hours.

So you'll spend $1500 for the heater and the fuel it burns for the first year, instead of spending $1408 on idling fuel. But the next year you'll only be spending the $105 or so for fuel, and the rest of it goes into your pocket.

It's a no-brainer.
 

rfrogger120

Expert Expediter
If your wasting .8 to 1 gallon an hour of idling in a van would'nt it be better to get a motel with that discount card LDB was talking about a while ago?
 

nightcreacher

Veteran Expediter
i've got the discount card,we got it thru fed ex cc
it saves you money,some motels more than others,but not alot more than you would already get for asking for their truck discount

fed ex cc since 1984
ooida 263839
E6613
steve gilbert
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I had 3 friends of the family killed in a truck using a propane heater for heat. They were camping the night before opening day of trout season in PA. They did not have a C02 detector. The heater they were using was not a modern one designed to shut off on low 02 levels. Even so, I doubt if I would use one in something as tight as a truck. I do use one in my ice shanty. Keeps me toasty even at 3 o 4 below. Layoutshooter
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
I have a Mr. Heater portable heater that uses the 1# propane bottles. I bought it for emergency use. I have never run it while sleeping, but have used it during the day to stay warm. My van is insulated and it will keep the cargo area and cab toasty.

The cab is partitioned from the cargo area by an insulated bulkhead with a crawl through opening. The MootBed (TM) is behind the bulkhead and then there is a curtain that can be drawn closed. The curtain and the flap over the crawl through are heavy vinyl from an old Mack cabover. This enclosed 34" sleeping area stays comfy to about 0 degrees. If it gets colder than that and I will be spending more than six hours in the van it's time for a motel.

I just replaced my two year old CO detector with a new one from Menards. $19.87. Save big money!
 
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