Presidential term limits

Presidential term limits


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Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
The bad significantly outnumber the good and it's clear that stupidity reigns now so they are a must.
 

RoadTime

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
I guess I would rather have the people vote out a bad President, then a law forcing out a good one.
 

zorry

Veteran Expediter
What if we get in a position where they keep voting in a bad guy, because he does policy to buy votes rather than for the good of the country ?
We need this protection.
 

RoadTime

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
What if we get in a position where they keep voting in a bad guy, because he does policy to buy votes rather than for the good of the country ?
We need this protection.

I guess there will always be, the what if factor. And despite my negative feelings towards Obama, that a side, I'd still rather see a President voted out then forced out. I can't believe I just said that :rolleyes: I also can't image a scenario where I would want a good President to be forced out. Just to bring in another Obama type.
 

Ragman

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I guess there will always be, the what if factor. And despite my negative feelings towards Obama, that a side, I'd still rather see a President voted out then forced out. I can't believe I just said that :rolleyes: I also can't image a scenario where I would want a good President to be forced out. Just to bring in another Obama type.

Yeah, what he said.
 

moose

Veteran Expediter
Term limits for all elected officials.
also their tax returns must show a loss for the time they served.
term limits for most federal public servants.
300+ millions of us- we can always do better.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Why would ANYONE want to vote a cover up artist like RR back in? Or a scum bag like Carter? Or a "mallard drake" like Clinton? Or a "Marxist like Obama"? Or a womanizer like Kennedy?
They ALL suck! Vote them ALL out!
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
The negative of presidential term limits is you literally have someone (in this case, the law) telling you who you can and cannot vote for. It is literally a restraint on democracy itself. The positive of presidential term limits is that it prevents someone from being elected over and over again due to the unchecked emotions of the electorate. Without presidential limits, Bill Clinton would have almost certainly been elected to a third term, and Obama would undoubtedly be elected to a third term.

Having said all that, history has shown that it's better to have a varied participatory government than an entrenched one. I think the positives of presidential terms limits outweigh negatives overall. I also think there should be term limits for Congressman (6 terms) and Senators (2 terms).
 

WanderngFool

Active Expediter
I voted for the term limits because Washington thought that 2 was enough.

I support presidential sperm limits. Not just presidential either. The image of congressmen trying to get randy with aides troubles me. Sperm limits for all them I say!
 

KickStarter6

Veteran Expediter
I'm for term limits because the elected officials in both parties no matter how crooked or dirty before they're in office for 20-30 year or more get so much worse. Eventually you get the old dudes in hospice care or Ted Kennedy falling asleep(although I doubt he's the only one that's happened too lol). The president should be limited to 8 years IMO because they have so much power at the end with another term imagine what they'd be able to pull off.
 

aristotle

Veteran Expediter
Two terms are more than enough. The Executive branch of our federal government has usurped enormous power unto itself never envisioned by the Founders. Ideally, the United States was constructed to have three co-equal branches of government guaranteeing a system of checks and balances against despotism and/or tyranny.

Over time, these checks have weakened. We are dangerously close to having a renegade Executive branch which is contemptuous of Congress and openly chastises Supreme Court decisions.

Many parliamentary democracies have wisely reserved the right to call for a vote of no confidence when the Executive is perceived to be either too weak or too strong to lead a free people.

Our Federal government, especially the Executive branch, needs to be made humble in a hurry; lest, we wake one day to find the Executive unanswerable to the people and beyond recall.
 

zorry

Veteran Expediter
Someone mentioned Washington.

I think that was the first President Layout was old enough to vote for .
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
Two terms are more than enough. The Executive branch of our federal government has usurped enormous power unto itself never envisioned by the Founders.
Oh, they envisioned it alright. And not in a good way. Members of the Continental Congress highly influenced, or even authored term limits in their own state constitutions. Many of those constitutions contain verbatim wording from the proposals for the Articles of Confederation (which did, in fact, have term limits explicitly spelled out). Thomas Jefferson famously wrote in urging a limitation of tenure in Congress, "to prevent every danger which might arise to American freedom by continuing too long in office the members of the Continental Congress." He had similar statements regarding the presidency.

Both Jefferson and George Mason advised limits on reelection to the Senate and to the Presidency, because said Mason, "nothing is so essential to the preservation of a Republican government as a periodic rotation."

Richard Henry Lee of Virginia, who famously made the motion in the Second Continental Congress calling for Independence from Great Britain, and the one who's famous resolution led directly to the Declaration of Independence, viewed the absence of legal limits to tenure, together with certain other features of the Constitution, as "most highly and dangerously oligarchic."

Mercy Otis Warren, while not exactly a Founding Father, was very connected politically, was good friends with the likes of Martha Washington, Abigail Adams and Hannah Winthrop, and was an advisor to many of the Founding Fathers, including Samuel Adams, John Winthrop, John Hancock, Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington and most especially John Adams to whom she became his literary mentor leading up to the Revolution. She wrote in multiple letters to to the Founding Fathers and to others that if, "there is no provision for a rotation, nor anything to prevent the perpetuity of office in the same hands for life; which by a little well-timed bribery, will probably be done."

For various reasons the language of specifics of term limits for the President and Congress that was in the articles of Confederation didn't make it into the US Constitution. One of the major reasons was that the nearly-universal support from the grassroots on up for the principle of rotation rendered such specifics unnecessary. The manner in which Senators get elected made the assumption that support for such rotation would remain. Senators were created in two-year classes. When the Founding Fathers agreed on six-year terms to Senators, they also decided to stagger the elections, so that a third of the Senate was up for election every two years. With this staggered rotation, the Founding Fathers wanted to ensure stability in the Senate, and to encourage Senators to deliberate measures over time rather than risk a rapid turnover of the entire chamber every six years. At the same time, they wanted more frequent elections, as opposed to waiting every six years, to prevent Senators from permanently combining for "sinister purposes". Thus two-year classes ensured a stable Senate, but also mean the Senate would turnover every 6 years (not realizing that some Senators would even want to run, much less get elected, in perpetuity).

Our Federal government, especially the Executive branch, needs to be made humble in a hurry; lest, we wake one day to find the Executive unanswerable to the people and beyond recall.
That's exactly what some of the Founding Fathers, and others, feared. Contrary to popular belief, Thomas Jefferson played no hands-on role in the composition of the US Constitution. When it was being drafted in 1787, he was 3000 miles away in France. He first wrote his details of what he liked and disliked about the new Constitution in December 1787 in a letter to George Mason, and of all of the the things he didn't like, the most disturbing to him was "the abandonment in every instance of the necessity of rotation in office." History and experience had convinced him that, without term limits, every elected official will be "an officer for life." The Constitution's neglect of this problem was for him a fatal flaw that would someday be the undoing of the nation.
 

Pilgrim

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I guess I would rather have the people vote out a bad President, then a law forcing out a good one.
It's been recently demonstrated that the people can't always be relied upon to vote out a bad president. This is especially true in this day and age considering the influence and bias of the mainstream media, combined with the liberal agenda of our public schools and the colleges our kids might attend afterward.
 
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