letzrockexpress
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Uh huh...which in effect makes it legal.
President defends abortion as a right..
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Uh huh...which in effect makes it legal.
No it does not. It struck down ONE law in ONE state!! It is entirely possible for a State to find a way around the Roe vs. Wade ruling and outlaw abortion. There is no "in effect". The Supreme court has not such power.
We could go into how the Supreme Court has stepped way out of bounds on several of their rulings. Assigning themselves power that the Constitution does NOT grant them, but that would be another thread.
A woman's body is her own and is her business. Her unborn baby's body is not hers to do as she will. She is responsible for caretaking and that is all. It is that baby's right to pursue life just as much as it is the mother's. To do otherwise is murder and nothing else.
dieseldiva
Veteran Expediter
That's a pretty simple response to a complex issue. Perhaps if it is a law then you "have the right" to do whatever.....BUT......generally when we speak of "rights", we're speaking of the God-given rights referred to in the founding documents......Constitutional rights. When you go back to your original argument that abortion is all in the "pursuit of happiness", it has zero weight because that phrase isn't in the constitution.
It all comes down to interpretation of the founders meaning. The "pursuit of happiness" isn't the only phrase that's been abused over the years. The "commerce clause" is another that's been used and abused with a recent example being Obamacare.
dieseldiva
Veteran Expediter
Incorrect statement. Not everything that is legal is a "RIGHT"
It is more than legal to drive, laws allow for it, it is NOT a "Right.
You really believe that this is a Federal matter? What part of the Constitution do YOU think makes this a Federal matter? Which part of which article? Since Federal authority is ONLY found in the articles, where is it?
letzrockexpress
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All I know is this. You can go down to any abortion clinic in this country and find people standing outside attempting to convey your philosophy to would be clients while multiple abortions are taking place inside. It has been this way for over 30 years. I'm no advocate of abortion. I simply believe what others choose to do with their bodies is none of my business. I don't see anything specific in the Constitution that makes it OK. Conversely, I don't see anything that says it is not OK. Christians may have written the document but the document is not, nor was not intended to be used as a moral compass.
I asked you what part of the Constitution do you think makes it a Federal issue? I believe that ONLY the States have the authority in this issue. It HAS to clearly say it is a Federal responsibility. It if does NOT, it is not. At least that is what I learned in civics. The 10th amendment agrees with me.
The State have MORE power in this country under our Constitution. I believe, that Roe vs. Wade, is NOT based on anything in the Constitution. It is my belief that the Supreme Court overstepped their bounds. Just as they did in the forced busing in the '70's.
letzrockexpress
Veteran Expediter
Ok, so what?
purgoose10
Veteran Expediter
I think it's a great thing that people can come together and disagree and agree on things that happen or go on in America. It's also a great thing because where else can you do that? Myself I don't believe it's right to take a child's life be it in the womb or not. He or she is still breathing. But that doesn't take away from the fact that the people in America that vote got hood winked into voting for a complete moron. Not one person in his cabinet has ever owned a business. Matter of fact everyone of them worked for the government in one form or another.
But then again on a lighter note, I bought an I Renew bracelet so what do I know.
But then again on a lighter note, I bought an I Renew bracelet so what do I know.
You can argue like this in Canada too
purgoose10
Veteran Expediter
This is the problem, why do we accept it, often without question, when the Supreme Court or the Federal government overstep their bounds and take power away from the States and, more importantly, the People?
The Federal government does not and cannot "grant rights". The Federal government has NO rights. The Federal government cannot restrict, curtail or infringe on ANY of our rights under the Constitution. ALL rights are reserved for the States and ultimately the People.
The abortion issue is only a symptom. The disease is a Federal government AND Supreme Court that are out of control and MUST be brought back into line with the Constitution.
It is the responsibility of the STATES to tell the Federal government were to get off. Like they are doing with Obama Care.
purgoose10
Veteran Expediter
I agree 100%.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
But Roe v. Wade, based on the privacy issue negates the anti-harvesting law, right?
The problem is that no one has said what the SC decision can extend to.
From that great knowledge center - Wikipedia
The Court decided that a right to privacy under the due process clause in the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution extends to a woman's decision to have an abortion, but that right must be balanced against the state's two legitimate interests for regulating abortions: protecting prenatal life and protecting the mother's health.
So pretty much the balance is limitations not on the amount of procedures or access but the timing of the abortion.
Applying that to organ harvesting, the right to a person's privacy trumps the idea that there should be a restriction because of this decision.
Instead of everyone bickering about what their morality is and what their politics are, how about proposing viable alternative solutions to abortion?
I had a look at the statistics the other day, and I found them quite interesting.
Someone in another post asked if you people who oppose a woman's right to abort are willing to adopt their children instead? He asked if you were willing to support the woman and all of her children via social assistance. Good questions, but I didn't hear any takers.
You are opposing that the government should pay the few hundred bucks for an abortion, but you don't go the step further to say who will support the children who were to be aborted, if it became illegal.. and read the stats to find out how many of them there are.
You guys whine and complain about these things, but I don't see you even attempting to come up with better solutions that can accommodate all the things you hold dear, and for everyone.
I am not picking on anyone in particular here, and as a matter of fact, I find abortion a very sad thing. I would personally hate to have ever been in such a horrible position where I had to even think about that kind of decision. I can still however, have the compassion to understand not only what a horrible predicament it must be, but also to have to live with the decision, no matter what decision is made, for the rest of one's life.
In the 'dark ages', some women's mental states over unwanted pregnancies would make coat hangers a better option for themselves than giving birth, even if it cost their own life.
When you people are talking about making end-of-life decisions for your loved ones, you say it is between the loved one, yourself and your doctor, and nobody else. Why is it that you believe you should get to intervene on such personal and private decisions for others?
I can personally accept that a woman can have one horrible circumstance happen one time in her life at a time when she can't deal with everything that goes along with carrying a child to term and giving birth. I also believe that if it happens a second time, she should automatically be sterilized at the same time and forfeit her right to any future children, wanted or unwanted.
So what are your solutions instead of just stating that it is wrong and you don't want to pay for it?
I had a look at the statistics the other day, and I found them quite interesting.
Someone in another post asked if you people who oppose a woman's right to abort are willing to adopt their children instead? He asked if you were willing to support the woman and all of her children via social assistance. Good questions, but I didn't hear any takers.
You are opposing that the government should pay the few hundred bucks for an abortion, but you don't go the step further to say who will support the children who were to be aborted, if it became illegal.. and read the stats to find out how many of them there are.
You guys whine and complain about these things, but I don't see you even attempting to come up with better solutions that can accommodate all the things you hold dear, and for everyone.
I am not picking on anyone in particular here, and as a matter of fact, I find abortion a very sad thing. I would personally hate to have ever been in such a horrible position where I had to even think about that kind of decision. I can still however, have the compassion to understand not only what a horrible predicament it must be, but also to have to live with the decision, no matter what decision is made, for the rest of one's life.
In the 'dark ages', some women's mental states over unwanted pregnancies would make coat hangers a better option for themselves than giving birth, even if it cost their own life.
When you people are talking about making end-of-life decisions for your loved ones, you say it is between the loved one, yourself and your doctor, and nobody else. Why is it that you believe you should get to intervene on such personal and private decisions for others?
I can personally accept that a woman can have one horrible circumstance happen one time in her life at a time when she can't deal with everything that goes along with carrying a child to term and giving birth. I also believe that if it happens a second time, she should automatically be sterilized at the same time and forfeit her right to any future children, wanted or unwanted.
So what are your solutions instead of just stating that it is wrong and you don't want to pay for it?
We have a Constitution. That is the answer. Stay within it. There is NO RIGHT to abortion. There is NO LEGAL way for the Federal government to FORCE me to pay for it or national health.
I don't know how your constitution works. Ours is rather plain. It lays out the ONLY things that the Federal Government can do, everything else resides with the States and the People.
It make no difference what a persons moral position is.
If Americans want this or that, they can do it within the confines of their State. That is how our government is set up.
In addition, I raised MY children, I lived up to my responsibility. Everyone else should do the same. That is what RESPONSIBLE ADULTS DO!! Partake in an adult "action" be ready to live up to it.
I don't know how your constitution works. Ours is rather plain. It lays out the ONLY things that the Federal Government can do, everything else resides with the States and the People.
It make no difference what a persons moral position is.
If Americans want this or that, they can do it within the confines of their State. That is how our government is set up.
In addition, I raised MY children, I lived up to my responsibility. Everyone else should do the same. That is what RESPONSIBLE ADULTS DO!! Partake in an adult "action" be ready to live up to it.
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letzrockexpress
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If you say so. Personally, I don't see it.
letzrockexpress
Veteran Expediter
I don't know what you're babbling about. Abortion is legal in all states. Good for you that you took care of your kids. That's what you are suposed to do.
How is it NOT a privacy issue? What gives the government the "RIGHT" or authority to stop a person from selling an organ if they so choose? Shoot that might SAVE a life rather than taking one.