Pray for Dallas.

Lawrence

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Please take a moment to say a prayer for the officers, their families and friends in Dallas who have paid the ultimate sacrifice.

I'm sadden and sickened by these events. These men and women went to work to serve their city and expected to come home to their families after their shift, and their lives were taken by this senseless tragedy. A sad day indeed.

Pray for Dallas.

Pray for Peace.


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jcochristoph

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I haven't seen such polarization within this country since the sixties when I was in high school.... I put much of the blame on our current political so called "leaders" and their rhetoric....
 
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Turtle

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It's a long, slow boil. What happened in Dallas is tragic, deplorable and abhorrent, but hardly surprising. We've seen a little of that in the last couple of years where police have been ambushed, and we'll see more of that in the future.

When you abuse anyone long enough, be it a dog, a wife, an entire race, eventually they're gonna lash out and strike back. Black people got fed up with Jim Crow laws, being brutalized by the police, and being lynched with impunity in the 50s, which led to the race riots and Civil Rights movement of the 60s.

Forced integration had trouble written all over it. Special considerations for blacks encoded into law (to make up for past transgressions) results in institutional racism, makes black people permanent victims, which makes them angry as victims and for not getting their due, and causes whites to resent them for it.

Police are now trained with a military mindset, which necessarily requires an enemy, even if you have to demonize the citizenry to get one. Everybody's a little bit racist, whether they admit it or not, which makes it even easier to demonize blacks as the enemy.

That's how you end up with blacks getting pulled over for driving while black, being arrested for things that whites are given a pass for, being given longer sentences than whites for the same crimes, being distrustful, fearful and angry at the police, and the police peeing in their pants and viewing every black suspect as a grave threat even when no threat exists.

Police are understandably concerned for their own safety when they encounter someone who is armed. But that goes both ways, especially if you're black. Since telling cops "Stop shooting black people when they aren't a threat!" hasn't worked, it's not at all surprising that some blacks would take a goose-gander, shoe on the other foot approach in order to say, "How do ya like them apples?"

I do think the onus is on the police in this. Stop treating citizens as the enemy, stop abusing blacks, and there will be no reason to lash out and strike back. But this will get worse before it gets better.
 

SWTexas1

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I'm truly at a loss for words, Dallas has one of the finest Police Forces in the country. That anyone thinks that they somehow deserved what happened, gun down while providing security for a BLM march. It's a sad day in this country when anyone try's to justify a such s cowardly act.
 

Turtle

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I'm truly at a loss for words, Dallas has one of the finest Police Forces in the country. That anyone thinks that they somehow deserved what happened, gun down while providing security for a BLM march. It's a sad day in this country when anyone try's to justify a such s cowardly act.
Who has said the police deserved what happened, or has tried to justify the ambush of police officers?
 

Turtle

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Just my impression after reading some comments posted
It would be a mistake to confuse a candid analysis of the causes of reprehensible acts (the killing of people who pose no immediate or legitimate threat) with a justification of those acts. To do so is insulting.
 

Turtle

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There are incidents of police wrongdoing and brutality against black people, but statistically it's a small amount.
And there are incidents of black people wrongdoing and brutally against police officers, but it's also a statistically small percentage. However, regardless of any massaging of statistics to bolster a political or racist viewpoint from the right or the left, the evidence that people get pulled over for driving while black happens far more often to blacks than it does to whites, that police officers (both black and white), by their own admission, view black males as more suspicious and threatening than they do white males, and that unarmed blacks are killed by police at a rate 5 times that of whites cannot be refuted or massaged.

To pretend racism plays an insignificant, nominal role in how police deal with minorities is to pretend racism is virtually non-existent.
 
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OntarioVanMan

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part of problem is.....IMO.....lot of people still see colour....instead of just a human being...

Headline should have been: Officer shoots man in car. Investigation underway. OR

Officer shoots man while in struggle.....Investigation underway.

when scripted from a video...the narrative should be....look we have an officer allegedly shooting a man under what maybe questionable circumstances...Investigation underway

The press IMO is not helping this issue out at all...
 

Turtle

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part of problem is.....IMO.....lot of people still see colour....instead of just a human being...
The problem with that is, seeing colour is part and parcel of being human. Everybody's a little bit racist. There's an evolutionary advantage to being so. Of course, it's not actually race, or colour, really, as there really is only one race, homo sapiens sapiens. Race isn't a biological thing, it's a society thing. Societies divide people into groups of varying historical, linguistic, ethnic ,religious or other backgrounds, including the most obvious visual queues like skin color and round or slanted eyes. These categories are not static, of course, as they change over time as societies grow and diversify and alter their social, political and historical make-ups.

But by and large, it's mostly a case of insider versus outsider, us versus them. It happens in societies of people, and of monkeys and apes. The five major continental populations - those of Africans, East Asians, Caucasians, Native Americans and Australasians - have been evolving largely independently since modern humans dispersed from Africa some 50,000 years ago. And within those five populations, smaller subsets of cultures and ethnic groups evolved. They evolved out of necessity. Human social behavior has been shaped by evolution just as the body has been. Humans being a highly social species, social behavior is critical to a society's survival and hence a prime target of natural selection.

For instance, the first human settlements appear only 15,000 years ago. For the previous 185,000 years we existed as small, mobile bands of hunters and gatherers. All of these small groups were each the same kind of people, same colors, same ethnicity, same beliefs, same everything. People from outside the group, those other groups, were viewed with fear, trepidation and distrust, and the more different they were the more they were distrusted. Groups of similar peoples, of the same cultural ethnicity, were an advantage to survival. (which is why multiculturalism is just nuts, at least at this point in human evolution).

Was the long 185,000 year delay in settling down because our ancestors couldn't figure out the advantage of putting a roof over their heads or couldn't figure out how to plant corn? It seems more likely that a change in social behavior was required to live in large, settled groups that made it harder for lions, tigers and bears to pick off the weakest of the pack, and that it took that long to evolve.

Even though we've had the first settlements for 15,000 years, for most of those years they were still settlements of more or less the same people within. It's only been in the last couple of thousand years or so when humans overcame geography in such a manner as colonization could take place where multiple "races" have even tried to co-exist (with, of course, the more advanced "invaders" dominating and often enslaving the natives). Even the ancient Egyptians had clear concepts of light skin and dark skin, and they didn't like each other, despite being virtually the same people.

We'll eventually learn to get along as different races, but it's gonna take a lot longer than the blink of an eye that we've been trying to this point. And it certainly won't happen by next week. Or in our lifetimes.

Headline should have been: Officer shoots man in car. Investigation underway. OR

Officer shoots man while in struggle.....Investigation underway.
That's not gonna happen in a society where racism and prejudice has been such an integral part of society as a whole.

The press IMO is not helping this issue out at all...
That much is certain.
 

Moot

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If Black lives really matter why does BLM only protest when a black person is killed by a white cop? They camp out in front of police stations, block freeways and threaten to shut down public events but remain quiet about black on black killings. I can see letting the gangbangers thin their own herds but too often innocent people end up dead. Where is the outrage? Will BLM camp out in front of known gang hangouts? Will they take to the streets to demand an end to gangs and their violence? Will some black, Dallas type nut case go on a shooting spree killing black gangsters?

Two children shot in north Minneapolis; 2-year-old dead
 

Yowpuggy

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Black lives matter wasn't created because gang bangers were killing black people, because when gang bangers commit crime and get caught they're punished. It was because cops kept killing black people unlawfully and kept getting away with it.
 

muttly

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If Black lives really matter why does BLM only protest when a black person is killed by a white cop? They camp out in front of police stations, block freeways and threaten to shut down public events but remain quiet about black on black killings. I can see letting the gangbangers thin their own herds but too often innocent people end up dead. Where is the outrage? Will BLM camp out in front of known gang hangouts? Will they take to the streets to demand an end to gangs and their violence? Will some black, Dallas type nut case go on a shooting spree killing black gangsters?

Two children shot in north Minneapolis; 2-year-old dead
You won't see them when it's a black officer. Doesn't fit their agenda.
 
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