Pollster Schoen: Many Americans Would Embrace Third Party

[xiggi]

Well, fact of the matter is, is that the election isn't today - it's not for another 12 months or so ..... and we have miles and miles of road to travel before then .....

That is the current reality - and a lot can happen in 12 months.

The mood is for change - and it has been for sometime.

Do you see conditions changing in the next 12 months so that that need of, or desire for, "change" goes away .... or even dissipates ?

Personally, I don't - if anything, I see it increasing.


I'm sure that his message is fairly unpopular with those that would prefer the "nanny state" (in one form or another) ..... and simply desire "to be taken care" by Uncle ...

My guess is I have stepped outside the box in this life way more than most on here would ever begin to consider. I have a fear of jumping out of planes I do not have a fear of trying new things in the least, I do tend to think about them a little more now days than when I was younger before leaping.

Again just because a candidate is not for me does not in any way shape or form dictate I am for a nanny state. The choice that I am far away from making in the next election may not be the same as you but then again it might me. I do not know which way my vote will go, I do know which way it will not go unless something happens to prove my personal thought on any such person is wrong. As stated we are far out from that point and it is way to soon to decide who will get my vote at this point in time.

 

[RLENT]

...He says as he watches the MSM put tin foil hats on people they disagree with...

ROTFLMAO ..... ya jus' can't make it up ....

I know you're no fan of Ron Paul. But you're only another part of the problem if you're willing to put your trust into one of the "regular" crowd, rather than think outside the box yourself.

Yup - and here's the thing that many apparently don't understand .... and evidently can't conceive of:

Paul has the ability - due to his message and philosophy - to get significant amounts of the both independent and cross-over vote. He'll never get the extreme left - or the extreme neo-con right - or those that are unthinkingly the party-fanatical establishment.

IOW, he's absolutely capable of rendering the party establishments - both of them - largely irrelevant.

He is Mr. Outside The Box - just as Perot was, when he ran ....

You'd think that folks who desire something other than the status quo, that actually want change would realize this ...

But then ..... there is that fear thing ....

Ron Paul is not appealing to the TELEVISION-watching crowd, because the MSM portrays him in a bad light. However, the youtube crowd, who gets to hear EVERYTHING, overwhelmingly supports him.

You know ..... I had some small inking of this .... but truly did not know how vast it was until recently, when I started looking into it - as the following video from YouTube user "mondaybeam" illustrates:

Freedom is Popular

BTW, mondaybeam apparently did new visuals for the second vid linked in my sig as ("... what if ...") - the audio and vocals of the rap were originally done by Rise, Consise & Krookid - which themselves were great - but thier visuals weren't all that hot:

What If Ron Paul Were President ?

Having had some experience with laying visuals to audio myself, I found mondaybeam's piece pretty impressive .... IMHO, he's definitely got a future as an editor/producer ....

BTW, I'm not particularly a big fan of rap .... but it's growin on me ....

 

[RLENT]

My guess is I have stepped outside the box in this life way more than most on here would ever begin to consider.

LOL .... from what I know of you, I have little doubt that that is the case

I have a fear of jumping out of planes I do not have a fear of trying new things in the least, I do tend to think about them a little more now days than when I was younger before leaping.

Life will do that to ya .... if ya let it .....

Again just because a candidate is not for me does not in any way shape or form dictate I am for a nanny state.

Even for your security ?

The choice that I am far away from making in the next election may not be the same as you but then again it might me. I do not know which way my vote will go, I do know which way it will not go unless something happens to prove my personal thought on any such person is wrong.

The choice is yours - as it should be - all I can offer is keep an open mind, be willing to consider alternative viewpoints.

Consider very carefully whether our foreign and economic policy as a nation - as practiced by the establishment, and both parties - is really the solution ...... or the actual source of the problem(s).

As stated we are far out from that point and it is way to soon to decide who will get my vote at this point in time.

Fair enough.

 

[tbubster]

If you want to see what those in the Soapbox feel about a third party or making a difference in politics, all you have to do is go back and look at the the overwhelming discussion when I presented this:

goooh

I was correct, people of the soapbox would rather sit on the sidelines and complain about what is going on in this country and do nothing but listen to their beloved party and their overpaid entertainers that just tell them what they want to hear.

I wonder if the person that said, "Oh I most likely will join, just doing a bit more research",and "I will have time this weekend to look at it more." actually did.

I doubt it.

I was not around when first posted GOOOH however I did just get done reading from their site.I have always belived in term limits Yet I know no one will leave on there own after two terms.I also know that none of them would vote on a bill that sets term limits.However doing this in the house only solves nothing if we still have people in the senate for 20 plus years.

As far as the third party goes not really for it.The way I look at it is if it were started say next year then what really gets done?Think about it,All we would do is and another party in washington who thinks there way is the right way of doing things.It would take another 20-30 years for it to move to a level where it would really work.For myself I dont belive America can wait that long.

Also there would be the cross overs.who would change partys because they see it as a way to gain power.Then you have the people that will vote for him/her because they know their agenda is protected.You would have people who will vote for him/her because they buy into what they hear.Dont think it can happen?just look at Michael Bloomberg a life long democrat.Then he decides to run for NY city mayor in 2001.This was a time that no way a democrat could win.So what did he do well he switched partys to republican.Then As he second term as mayor was coming to an end he got the ny city council to extend the term limits for the mayor to three terms then he ran as a independent,saying he was leaving the republican party over policy.This was after all at the height of the blame everything on republicans movement.So as a independent he wins a third term.Now keep in mind that while the city of NY was racking up debt that is higher then many states debt.as people were losing their homes and life savings to the big banks and wallstreet,as people were being fired as they watched their jobs go to china.The good mayor who ran as a third party guy went from 147th on forbes riches americans list to this this year going as low as 10th.Right now he is ranked the 13th richest person in america.

Now this happend because people were willing to buy into what they belived they needed to hear and not really look at what was really going on.When it comes down to it for me all a third party is going to do is add another kid to the sandbox fighting over who gets to drive the tonka truck.