Poll: Growing number incorrectly call Obama Muslim

[Turtle]

He hasn't attended church once since his inauguration. No true Christian goes upwards of two years without going to church.

Perhaps we're moving too fast. Have you ever actually read the Bible?

He snubbed the national day of prayer. He made a big show of pushing homosexuality on the Easter celebration. There are plenty of examples of omission/comission that clearly show by his actions he is only a Christian as far as a checkbox and a selling point to the gullible.

I don't think he's a Christian, either, but just because he's not a Christian doesn't therefore make him some other specific religion.

 

[dieseldiva]

so if I get this right...

only your opinion is the correct opinion and any other opinion is just plain retarded?

You've made my point about those here that fancy themselves the academic elites....hence, their attitudes.

 

[Pilgrim]

During the campaign when Obama told everyone that his family didn't exchange Christmas presents, there were probably more than a few people who mentally raised their eyebrows in question of the sincerety of his Christianity. Apparently he doesn't observe a strict doctrine of any particular religion, which suits me fine. However, a lot of people (including myself) have the suspicion that either he's a closet muslim or he has sympathies towards that religion that outweigh the loyalties he might have towards Christianity.

At any rate, it really doesn't matter unless he has a muslim bias that effects his decision making processes that might favor situations like Iran's nuclear program or the Palestinians' dealings with Israel. It's not hard for the objective observer to determine his bias in his dealings with those two problems, at least up to this point in time. What really brought this Obama muslim problem to the forefront was his implicit endorsement of the mosque at ground zero. Once again, the boy president displayed his ineptness by intruding into a dicey situation that he should have avoided. If there was ever any doubt about that deal being national in scope, he thoroughly nationalized it with a couple of comments at a ramadan dinner. All these little things having accumulated over the past 20 months give the appearance of a muslim bias on his part - and in politics, perception is reality.

 

[dieseldiva]

i am not looking to start an argument here...but I thought this was a forum of discussion and opinion?

I know Relents and Turtles complaint about posting nonsensical rubbish in their opinion...but

I'm not talking about discussion and opinion....look again...it's the attitudes that I speak of.

 

[dieseldiva]

I personally don't think that Obama is a Muslim. I think he has strong Muslim sympathies and he does allow those to dictate how he handles issues such as the mosque and more importantly, Israel.

I mentioned a while back that if we wanted to understand what he believes, we should take a closer look at black liberation theology. After all, that is the doctrine that he sat under for 20 years, Rev. Wright having married him and his Mrs. and baptized his children.

When I googled black liberation theology to bring a link here, I found this article and I think it best sums up how I personally feel about this. Read it or not, doesn't matter but I would encourage you to do your own research, I think it might shed some light on what makes Obama do and say the things that he does.

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August 20, 2010 He's Not a Muslim! (Not that There's Anything Wrong with That)

By C. Edmund Wright

With two major polls out this week showing that many millions of Americans think the president is Muslim, the Jurassic media's panicked reaction can be characterized only as hilariously Seinfeld-esque. And by Seinfeld-esque, I refer to the famous episode where Jerry and George are mistaken for a gay couple -- a charge they recoil from in horror while repeating the line, "Not that there's anything wrong with that."

I think we all get the implication. And we have all heard the media shouting this week that Obama is not a Muslim -- not that there's anything wrong with that, of course.

So when you couple these polls and the media's reaction to them -- not to mention the whole issue of the Ground Zero Mosque -- I submit it is fair to ask if President Obama is now in need of some serious "Jesus Cred."

Consider a little history:

In March of 2008, the initial unmasking of Barack Obama started in earnest as it became obvious to at least a swath of America that the presidential candidate had cynically handpicked Jeremiah Wright's Trinity United Church to gain his "black street cred."

After all, he had arrived in Chicago with all kinds of white cred -- a Hawaiian prep school and the Ivy League, not to mention the fact that he was light-skinned, clean, articulate, and spoke with no Negro dialect unless he wanted to. (And we would like to "give a shout-out" to Joe Biden and Harry Reid for helping us construct that description.)

That was all well and good for a career as a national politician in a white guilt-laden nation -- but first came the bothersome detail of actually starting a political career in the inner city of Chicago. White cred is but funny money in certain areas there.

And nothing could dub Obama as black enough to win Chi-town votes quicker than assimilation into the anti-white, anti-capitalist, and anti-American Black Liberation Theology community. These folks are most definitely "down for the struggle."

Feel free to read some Black Liberation Theology literature if you doubt it is all of the above. Besides, have you seen Obama's jump shot lately? It screams "White Men Can't Jump!" He needed something else.

Of course, Ground Zero for Black Liberation Theology in the City of Broad Shoulders was Trinity Church, and its high priest was Jeremiah Wright. Wright, as we know, must be capable of some kind of Jedi mind tricks, as he was able to use sermons to simultaneously inspire Obama's first (or was it his second?) autobiography and put him to sleep for twenty years.

Nevertheless, it worked. Obama's black street cred was established well enough for him to quickly job-hop through Chicago and Illinois politics -- voting "present" at every step along the way. Black street cred was indeed established, and Obama carried over 90% of the black vote in the '08 election.

Now, in the summer of 2010, with his poll numbers tanking almost everywhere except on the "Muslim question," it is fair to muse that maybe Obama should trot Wright back out to establish some "Jesus Cred." This is a president who is becoming more and more of a mystery to many the more they find out about him, and fewer and fewer believe Obama has any Jesus cred as time goes on.

And the media reaction is so predictable.

Of course, when secular liberals start trying to go all religious on us, it becomes an intellectual struggle. Their dots do not connect. The fragile construct they had concocted about Obama's faith life is starting to crumble. That's why America is simultaneously getting to know Obama better and knowing less about him at the same time.

The entire issue of religion in the 2008 campaign was somewhat successfully pigeonholed into neat little compartments by the media -- pigeonholes that have little to do with reality. Everything was built around hiding or obfuscating or outright lying about who Obama is and what he believes.

On the one hand, we were told that Obama's relationship with Wright was irrelevant and that he slept through the hateful messages -- and on the other, TUCC was where Obama practiced his professed Christianity and received inspirations for his writings. We were told that in spite of that, Obama's relationship with Wright was no more of an issue than was John McCain's with John Hagee, an evangelical preacher with whom McCain had shared a lectern on occasion.

And through all of this, we were required to have enough suspension of belief to count Black Liberation Theology as Christian in the first place. Right. Never mind Jeremiah Wright's relationship with and support of Louis Farrakhan.

We were told to fear Sarah Palin's devout faith -- and yet told to embrace Obama's professed Christian conversion. Every stone in Wasilla was overturned in hopes of finding some evidence of Palin's handling of snakes or casting out of demons -- while the entire "no no no -- G.D. America" tape collection available on the Trinity Church website was ignored for months and months.

We were told that Obama is certainly not a Muslim, yet he would have a magical ability to reach out to the Muslim world -- thus ending America's role as a terror target. We were told that the world, especially the Muslim world, would continue to hate America if we elected a religious nut like Palin, however.

Of course, none of that makes any sense -- and that becomes clearer and clearer to more and more Americans under the microscope of the Ground Zero Mosque issue. And it's not the mosque issue alone, of course. As theorized by J.R. Dunn, that could simply be the tipping point.

There's the skipping of the Boy Scout's 100th Anniversary Ceremony. There's the golf instead of church almost every Sunday. There's the "clinging to their guns and religion" comment. There's the anti-Israel comments and policies. And on and on.

So now we have a president haunted by the idea that he is really a Muslim -- and not a Christian at all. How delicious it is that his blatantly secular liberal supporters are totally impotent at fighting this battle for him -- given that so many Americans take faith seriously?

And going back to Wright's Trinity Church will not help. There will be no Jesus Cred available there. Listen to the tapes or order the books. You will simply find Black Liberation Theology and Marxism and so on. Jesus? Not so much.

So Americans will likely continue to think of Obama as a Muslim in increasing numbers. But hey -- "not that there's anything wrong with that."

Is there?


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[aristotle]

We can rightly call Barack Hussein Obama a Muslim sympathizer. When this message sinks in with the American people, Obama's mojo will not recover.

 

[greg334]

He hasn't attended church once since his inauguration. No true Christian goes upwards of two years without going to church. He snubbed the national day of prayer. He made a big show of pushing homosexuality on the Easter celebration. There are plenty of examples of omission/comission that clearly show by his actions he is only a Christian as far as a checkbox and a selling point to the gullible.

SO ... that's frikn' scary there Leo.

I mean that I don't go to Church but I practice my religion as I feel it should be practiced but than by that standard, I am not a Christian?

I'm with OVM, what is one any way?

I thought it was some sort of follower of Jesus and God but I guess I'm mistaken.

By the standards I live by, NOT many Chrisitans actually prescribe to them. They actually lack the nerve to do what I do, be charitable like I am and not to be judgmental of other religions or their followers. Many I have met, have one or two purposes in life, to push their form of religion onto others and to tell everyone what is wrong with other religions.

Many, including a few here mock the religion by even calling themselves Christian and/or siding with the ignorant and dumb leaders within that religion.

It doesn't matter ... really ... because there is an attitude as mentioned on every side of this and other issues based on either mis-information or nearsighted observation.

It seems that Obama, for better or worst, can't seem to win because of either the hatred towards him or the hatred toward the opponents of him. Either way you pick, it is the divide I have mentioned that has been caused by simple and clear hatred and it is that hatred that seems to blind people. If they would put so much effort into actually changing the country where it can be changed, then may be we would be better off.

 

[Pilgrim]

In Islamic-leaning secular might be an appropriate description of Obama. There's a significant school of thought that Obama will never be accepted or respected by muslim nations or devout muslims because he's regarded as a heretic by true muslims. Franklin Graham is right - Obama is considered by true muslims to have been born a muslim by the seed of his father. He consequently renounced Islam and became a Christian - one of the worst sins possible in the eyes of devout muslims, especially the radicals. So we can imagine the status he holds in the eyes of the Saudis, Iranians, Palestinians, and of course the jihadists.

An article by Daniel Pipes - written in April 2008 and since updated - offers some interesting insight into Obama's muslim heritage and upbringing and makes an excellent point:

"Obama's having been born and raised a Muslim and having left the faith to become a Christian make him neither more nor less qualified to become president of the United States. But if he was born and raised a Muslim and is now hiding that fact, this points to a major deceit, a fundamental misrepresentation about himself that has profound implications about his character and his suitability as president."

Barack Obama's Muslim Childhood :: Middle East Forum

 

[greg334]

By the same token, does it really matter?

It seems to only those who are living in fear of some massive change to our country, feel that this matters.

It really does not.

Again, where is the proof that there is a change?

 

[dieseldiva]

By the same token, does it really matter?

It seems to only those who are living in fear of some massive change to our country, feel that this matters.

It really does not.

Again, where is the proof that there is a change?

Muslim or not does matter in foreign policy issues such as his stance on Israel, as I mentioned above.

As far as "proof that there is a change", I look again to his black liberation theology church and his background (growing up and beyond) with communist/marxist mentors, his grandparents, his mother, and his self-proclaimed mentor, Frank Marshall Davis.

 

[Pilgrim]

One might look at the deficits for starters, as the first indicator of "change". But for the most part, the "change" hasn't taken place yet. Wait until ObamaCare takes effect; wait until his economic policies take effect, especially if he somehow is able to pass Cap & Tax and is able to institute a Value Added Tax. How about when / if his paybacks to the environmentalists begin to strangle our domestic oil production? And don't forget his regulation and taxation of businesses large and small, and the effect that will have on the employment figures which are already lousy.

If anyone if afraid of the changes that might be not so far down the road, they'd better get off their duffs and get politically involved RIGHT NOW in an effort to influence the coming election in November. The single best thing America's voters could do for their country is to vote Republican for the House of Representatives in Nov and get Nancy Pelosi out of the Speaker's chair. This goofy woman is more dangerous than Obama ever thought about being. If we could get rid of Harry Reid, so much the better; but getting rid of these far-left congressmen and putting more balance in place is something the voters can do immediately. Then we can worry about finding somebody better than Obama.

 

[greg334]

BUT he is taking the same position as the democrats, not as a Muslim.

I know that Clinton and even Hillary among other high ranking people seem to be critical on Israel.

The sad thing is many who live in NY area don't seem to mind that their senator and congressmen are on the same side as Obama.

AND if you want to talk about a pro-Arab/Muslim person, Carter and many who work with him in the congress are actually more of a threat to Israel than Obama is.

Obama has been harsh with Israel but at the same time Israel has said "screw you" a few times openly and directly to him. There isn't a pulling of funding, while at the same time he, Obama, knows without Israel, his efforts to rid himself of any future Iraq issues would have been impossible to do and just because we don't have combat troops in Iraq does not mean we won't if things get out of hand.

Iran is the threat to Israel but so is Egypt and Syria and other parts where we actually give a crap load of money to them to keep them stable.

I still don't see a bit of proof that there is a real threat to any religion here other than Islam. I don't discount the black liberation religion but at the same time I don't see Wright and others on speaking tours or having mass rallies at the Mall. Farrakhan is another one who seems to have disappeared out of the spotlight and if you want to worry about something, worry about the Nation of Islam because that is a real serious group of people and is not the same as the Middle East Muslim.

 

[RLENT]

You've made my point about those here that fancy themselves the academic elites....hence, their attitudes.

Well actually, no he really didn't .....

If we are to have any conversation about the subject it becomes necessary to define the terms and the subject we are talking about:

"Academic elitism is a charge sometimes levied at academic institutions, and academics more broadly; use of the term "ivory tower" often carries with it an implicit critique of academic elitism.

From the 19th century Ivory Tower has been used to designate a world or atmosphere where intellectuals engage in pursuits that are disconnected from the practical concerns of everyday life.

As such, it usually carries pejorative connotations of a wilful disconnect from the everyday world; esoteric, over-specialized, or even useless research; and academic elitism, if not outright condescension. In American English usage it is a shorthand for academia or the university, particularly departments of the humanities.

Criticism of perceived academic elitism may or may not target intellectuals in general, academic institutions or education itself, but always targets present leadership, practices and/or policies in academia."

If you have some other definition you are using (either commonly accepted, or perhaps just one you have made up out of thin air) please share it, and we can talk about whether it is appropriate in this context.

So - let's get one thing straight - I am, in no way, an academic ......

I was kicked out of high school in the 9th grade, went back in 10th for part of a year (and left), and went back again in 11th grade .... before finally throwing in the towel and calling it quits ..... I got my highschool equivalency thru the G.E.D. program.

I did attend college .... for about 2/3rds of a year ....

I was what you might call a "bad boy"

I personally consider the public schooling system in this country as more of a social control operation (designed to make good little compliant citizens) than a true education system.

I have no particular high regard for those in the formal institutions of academia (possibly for the same reasons that you may not) - I usually find the views of those that have actually been out in the world and lived far more interesting.

Of course, like most things, that can be a mixed bag as well ....

Gonna take a stab here ..... and I could very well be incorrect ..... but it's possible that you are more of an academic than I (just based on your own personal educational history ..... dunno ...)

I personally hold that no one has a lock on true wisdom pertaining to Life - it is available to anyone who might seek it.

Of course, if one never bothers to look, then it may not present itself ......

You appear to taking a position which could be arguably described as anti-intellectual:

"Anti-intellectualism is hostility towards and mistrust of intellect, intellectuals, and intellectual pursuits, usually expressed as the derision of education, philosophy, literature, art, and science, as impractical and contemptible.

In public discourse, anti-intellectuals usually perceive and publicly present themselves as champions of the common folk — proposing that the educated are a social class detached from the everyday concerns of the majority ...."

I have no hostility towards education (however obtained) and think that the subjects of philosophy, literature, art, and science are things that pertain to all individuals, to whatever degree they choose to embrace them. There is little question that these things, in many instances, have raised man up to something (at least somewhat) beyond the level of a savage animal.

Quite frankly, it seems to me, that perhaps one of the greatest gifts that man has received is the ability to think and reason ..... in other words, his intellect ..... to waste that gift would be a tragedy of epic proportions ....

Given my lack of formal education, and my life history and experiences (which are fairly wide and varied), I think I might be able to make just as valid a claim as you, for being one of the "common folk" .....

You obviously disagree with me politically on a variety of issues - if trying to position me as an "academic elite" is the best you got in winning those arguments, or at least attempting to refute mine, you might want to consider going back to the drawing board and rethinking your strategy ....

 

[RLENT]

What is a "Christian"?

That is a question that is well worth asking .... particularly if one aspires to actually be one .....

go ahead.. say it pal ....*LOL* I got my NRA sticker and huntin dogs ... am coming for ya.

LOL

OVM, the danger I'm talking about isn't one of an immediate threat of physical violence to one's person ..... it's about losing the ideals and fundamental principles of a entire way of life ....

so if I get this right ... only your opinion is the correct opinion and any other opinion is just plain retarded?

Nope, not at all .....

There are however certain premises or positions which are inherently misguided and ill-advised (a polite way of saying retarded) ...... irrespective of whether I happen to hold them or not .....

 

[cheri1122]

Well actually, no he really didn't .....




In public discourse, anti-intellectuals usually perceive and publicly present themselves as champions of the common folk — proposing that the educated are a social class detached from the everyday concerns of the majority ...."


Given my lack of formal education, and my life history and experiences (which are fairly wide and varied), I think I might be able to make just as valid a claim as you, for being one of the "common folk" .....

Same goes for me: I dropped out of school in my senior year, and obtained a GED 20 years later - only because it was required to attend nursing school. Which, along with commercial driving school, constitutes the sum total of my academic credentials.
However, I believe that 'informal' education can be a good bit more effective.

You obviously disagree with me politically on a variety of issues - if trying to position me as an "academic elite" is the best you got in winning those arguments, or at least attempting to refute mine, you might want to consider going back to the drawing board and rethinking your strategy ....

What he said.

 

[dieseldiva]

RLENT you could have saved yourself a lot of time and effort writing your dissertation if you'd only looked at the three words in bold from my post that you quoted.

fancy themselves and attitudes

I certainly don't want to leave the impression that I believe that you and your buddies are literally academic elites. Again the three words that you ignored tell the story.