Poll: Growing number incorrectly call Obama Muslim

[OntarioVanMan]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100819/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_poll_obama_s_religionWhite
By ALAN FRAM, Associated Press Writer Alan Fram, Associated Press Writer – 2 hrs 6 mins ago

WASHINGTON – Americans increasingly are convinced — incorrectly — that President Barack Obama is a Muslim, and a growing number are thoroughly confused about his religion.

Nearly one in five people, or 18 percent, said they think Obama is Muslim, up from the 11 percent who said so in March 2009, according to a poll released Thursday. The proportion who correctly say he is a Christian is down to just 34 percent.

The largest share of people, 43 percent, said they don't know his religion, an increase from the 34 percent who said that in early 2009.

House officials did not provide on-the-record comments on the survey, but they prompted Pastor Kirbyjon Caldwell of Houston to call The Associated Press.

Caldwell, who said he has known Obama for years, said the president is a Christian who prays every day. He said he was not sure where the public confusion about the president's religion came from, but he called false media reports about it "a 24-hour noise box committed to presenting the president in a false light."

noise box....this forum....*lol*

 

[LDB]

Or perhaps the percentage correct is gradually increasing. Nothing against Caldwell but he doesn't know the man for certain, he knows what he believes of the man based on his bias.

 

[Freightdawg]

What is that old saying? If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck.......

 

[greg334]

Or perhaps the percentage correct is gradually increasing. Nothing against Caldwell but he doesn't know the man for certain, he knows what he believes of the man based on his bias.

However, do you know him?

Leo, look what you have caused me to become

 

[LDB]

Caldwell believes what he believes because he's friends with the man and wants to believe what he believes. I believe what I believe because I am not friends with the man and don't have that bias affecting my beliefs. Is Obama Muslim? Maybe. Internally and mentally. Is he Christian? No. Not internally and mentally. He professes to be and puts on a show of it when it's beneficial but it isn't a part of him. In all probability he's nothing. He believes in the Obama god first and foremost. That said, his loyalty is more to Islam than Christianity. That's who the man is, not the guy Caldwell wishes he were.

 

[greg334]

Is he Christian? No. Not internally and mentally.

BUT how do you know this?

In order for you to make a statement like this, without such proof, you must know him as well as anyone else could.

He believes in the Obama god first and foremost.

This I absolutely agree with you on. The arrogance and egomaniac attitude of Obama is right in line with that of most if not all the leaders of all these countries. NOT ONE proves that he doesn't believe in himself or herself as a god and this stretches back to almost every president after Grant.

That said, his loyalty is more to Islam than Christianity.

I don't see it for some reason, I see a president actually being more open about all kinds of religious issues and getting used by his staff on some of them. I don't see how he is saying "everyone has the same rights" as being more in favor of Islam over Christianity - which seems to be what he said. If someone can point that out, I can too point out how some mainstream Christians want see other religions like Buddhist and Hindu wiped out of this country because they are "heathen religions".

Regardless, I don't see the curriculum changing in our public schools, I don't see the Quran being sent to everyone, I don't see a massive movement to build Mosques or pray centers with stimulus money, so where is this push?

We have between 3 and 7 million Muslim followers in this country, I say 5 million for simplicity sake. If we have a president who is Muslim, then what happens to the other 304 million people? I mean who holds the power, the 304 or the 5 million? I don't think the large majority of these 5 million can or want to effect a change, maybe the same percentage of other religions including Jews and Chrisitans too who also want to change the country but not anywhere near the percentage that people think.

 

[Turtle]

I don't see it for some reason, I see a president actually being more open about all kinds of religious issues and getting used by his staff on some of them.

Because he doesn't treat Christians they way they think he should, and because he doesn't treat Muslims they way they think he should, they think he favors Islam over Christianity.

If he was a true Christian he'd act like one. If he was a true Muslim he'd act like one. But he acts like neither. He acts like a politician, a good one that is a changeling depending on his needs.

 

[greg334]

Because he doesn't treat Christians they way they think he should, and because he doesn't treat Muslims they way they think he should, they think he favors Islam over Christianity.

If he was a true Christian he'd act like one. If he was a true Muslim he'd act like one. But he acts like neither. He acts like a politician, a good one that is a changeling depending on his needs.

That's actually a great point and the one everyone should remember.

 

[layoutshooter]

If he is a "changling" that changes to suit he needs might make him a "good politician" (if there is such an animal) but it just makes him a man without principles, standards or character.

A man of principle stands by them. A man of character has the courage of his convictions no matter the cost. He would never compromise them for political gain. A man with standards would never lower them for any reason and would most likely do what ever he could to raise them.

 

[greg334]

Layout, there are no men of principles in politics.

 

[layoutshooter]

Layout, there are no men of principles in politics.

My point exactly. Obama, just like all the rest of the bums, is not a man of principle or character. The ONLY change we got with him is a different name.

 

[greg334]

Well after listening to the BS on the radio about this very subject, I came to this conclusion - we didn't know Bush either.

Using Leo's question "Internally and mentally. Is he Christian?" I say in regards to Bush, what kind of Christian was he?

He surely wasn't one who held up a lot of the laws, the border is one example I can say he wasn't anywhere near what a Christian should act like.

 

[aristotle]

It might be more accurate to say Obama is a man with very strong Muslim sympathies. It's part of his heritage.

 

[layoutshooter]

The only real difference between Bush and Obama is that Bush sucked just a little less than Obama does.

 

[greg334]

It might be more accurate to say Obama is a man with very strong Muslim sympathies. It's part of his heritage.

Is this a bad thing?

JFK was not liked because he was a catholic and a large number of narrow-minded Christians who came out against him said 'the pope will be leading him to make decisions' and 'how do we know he will not turn to the pope for answers on our problems'. There was an assumption that because his religion was important to him, he would always side with the church and be used by the pope.

 

[highway star]

JFK was not liked because he was a catholic and a large number of narrow-minded Christians who came out against him said 'the pope will be leading him to make decisions' and 'how do we know he will not turn to the pope for answers on our problems'. There was an assumption that because his religion was important to him, he would always side with the church and be used by the pope.

What we really need are Agnostic politicians. Someone who'll do something just because it's the right thing to do, not because their Christian, Muslim, or Branch Davidian faith tells them it's the right thing.

 

[layoutshooter]

What we need is first an HONEST person for a change. A persons of principles and character.

That person could be of ANY faith as long as they keep their opinions on faith to themselves. The press has to stop making this an issue and start focusing on IMPORTANT issues, like experience, back ground etc. Maybe prior associates, affiliations etc. They even pay FAR too much attention on what schools the candidates have attended and how "educated" they are. All these "ivy league" over book learned nuts have done nothing but screw up. Looks like that is not a good measure of things either.

 

[greg334]

But see you both are thinking along what others want you to think.

In one of the school districts in Florida (I think), the ACLU and a number of "students" took the school to court over the violation of their rights. Some teachers were telling the students "have a blessed day" or God bless you or something like that. NOW the school has to have specific guidelines of when to use the word God and other religious terms.

This should not matter at all but it does, we have become oversensitive on what others do or are than we are with our own plights and issues. We have overstepped our boundaries, redefined offensive speech as a violation and what one person believes should not affect another person regardless what office or position they hold.

IT simply does not matter if the guy is Muslim or Jewish or Catholic or Hindu, what matters seems to be missed - their morals and ethics are based on a religion and that's what we need - any religion. Without any guiding principles (and believe me a lot of people don't have those), we are a lost society.

I question Bush's religious intentions, he, like many who view religion as a basis for our country seem to miss that God also has laws and as much as we try, we must obey all the laws - which include closing down a border because innocent people are harmed. How unchristian and anti-religious can that be?

 

[LDB]

BUT how do you know this?

In order for you to make a statement like this, without such proof, you must know him as well as anyone else could.

I know he is not a Christian by his actions. If he were a Christian it would be apparent. It is clear that he is a pew filler and nothing more.

 

[Turtle]

Not that attending church and sitting in a pew is the litmus test for being a Christian, but he's not even a pew filler. Anyone know how many times he's gone to church since being sworn in a president?

Once, on the first Easter Sunday of his presidency.

Reagan attended a church service in public only 10 times during his entire presidency. (The rest of the time he had private services held at the White House or his ranch in California.)