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Planned Parenthood's Problem vs. Capitalism

Pilgrim

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Planned Parenthood's sale of fetal body parts has become common knowledge by now, and in spite of the liberals circling the wagons to protect them they are in dire crisis management. They encourage women's rights to have abortions, regardless of the stage of fetal development. Apparently, the later the stage the better considering the recent revelations of their marketing venture in fetal body parts.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiep...medium=email&utm_campaign=nl_pm&newsletterad=

Considering this situation in its entirety, let's look at another viewpoint. Why doesn't the mother bearing these aborted fetuses/babies profit from the sale of these body parts and tissues instead of PPH? Fact: there is a huge demand worldwide for human organs, body parts, bone marrow, etc. Waiting lists are extensive and people wanting replacement kidneys, lungs, livers, etc are desperate due to the lack of "donors". So how many more of these desperately needed body parts would become available if they could be sold???

Consider most states have an option on drivers' licenses for holders to check to become an organ donor. Why should they agree to give away their kidneys worth $10K apiece when they could be sold on the open market? Why not place medically acceptable organs, tissues, bone marrow, etc. as part of one's estate to be sold to those in need? Once again, consider the demand for this commodity. If Planned Parenthood is performing an abortion and being compensated by taxpayer funds, why should one give them their valuable tissues and organs so they may profit when that "property" actually belongs to the donor? After all, the aborted fetus has already been declared as not human so it and it's parts are comparable to other tissues, organs and body parts that are marketed every day? The same applies to those who die by accident or of natural causes: why not make your organs part of your estate instead of giving them away? Your net worth may be worth more than you thought.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-dead-used-grisly-trade-human-body-parts.html
 
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aristotle

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If Planned Parenthood is so desperate for money, why don't they create their own TV reality show? Call it "Chop Shop." Enterprising young producers could initiate on-line bidding for custom orders. Free shipping with dry ice. Orders delivered in a nondescript. unmarked box to avoid awkward moments. Anonymity guaranteed. This is where 50 years of liberal ideology has brought us.
 
Pilgrim

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aristotle said:
If Planned Parenthood is so desperate for money, why don't they create their own TV reality show? Call it "Chop Shop." Enterprising young producers could initiate on-line bidding for custom orders. Free shipping with dry ice. Orders delivered in a nondescript. unmarked box to avoid awkward moments. Anonymity guaranteed. This is where 50 years of liberal ideology has brought us.
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Good idea - kind of like those cable shows selling junk jewelry.
 
Pilgrim

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Planned Parenthood does not sell fetal body parts. The video that's circulating is a highly edited falsehood, made by people with extremist views.
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So they didn't really say what they were recorded saying? There are now FOUR videos, by the way in case anybody has trouble believing their lying eyes and ears.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiep...medium=email&utm_campaign=nl_pm&newsletterad=

No doubt the ACORN videos were "highly edited" as well, and those officials didn't really say what they said. We all know how that turned out.

It's a bit hypocritical that liberals and the media had no questions about the validity of the infamous "47% video" (which was edited) made of one of Mitt Romney's speeches in a private fundraiser. Jimmy Carter IV was hailed as a hero for leaking the video instead of being accused of having extremist, partisan views. Romney by the way, didn't back down from the comments because what he said was true.
 
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cheri1122

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The video has the PP doc clearly saying they don't "sell" or profit from tissue donations - they charge for the processing and shipping, as any business would. What they do is 100% legal - it's just something that David Daleiden [head of the 'Center for Medical Progress', a laughable name for a few extremists from Operation Rescue] can't accept. This is what he said:

"Planned Parenthood's criminal conspiracy to make money off aborted baby parts re“Planned Parenthood’s criminal conspiracy to make money off of aborted baby parts reaches to the very highest levels of their organization. Elected officials must listen to the public outcry for Planned Parenthood to be held accountable to the law and for our tax dollars to stop underwriting this barbaric abortion business,” stated Daleiden.
Operation Rescue President Troy Newman serves on the Board of Daleiden’s Center for Medical Progress. During this investigation, Newman advised Daleiden, providing consultation services and material support.

The key part is "public outcry", which wasn't happening, so he decided to make it happen. He created the fake company 'Center for Medical Progress', registered it as a biomedical nonprofit, [that's fraudulent right there, and the IRS is investigating] solely to make the videos he hopes will create that public outcry. So far, the outcry is strictly from the conservative Republicans who either don't understand the laws they voted for [McConnell] or don't care [the rest of them] when it comes to pandering to their far right 'base'.
Daleiden says he is anti abortion since seeing "graphic images" on anti abortion posters in high school - there's a great reason to formulate a moral position, eh? If so, we should be showing photos of how injured vets got that way, too, and the "collateral damage" & "friendly fire" deaths, whenever legislators consider declaring war, because it is pertinent to the decision.
He also says he is the result of a crisis pregnancy, but WTF does that have to do with what women he knows nothing about are going through, when they need to decide? Because his mother's pregnancy turned out ok [if you think so], theirs will too? and if he's wrong about that, what will he do for those women?
What his good friends at Operation Rescue have done for women is bomb the clinics, and they continue to terrorize the doctors, staff and patients of PP and other women's clinics. Terrorists is precisely what they are, every one of them.

Note to Pilgrim: apparently, we don't all "know how that turned out." [ACORN] They were absolved of guilt, when it was too late.
And Mitt Romney wasn't "set up" by activists trying hard to get some 'gotcha!' moment on tape - he was speaking his honest opinion. That's always a risk for a politician hoping for votes from the people he's being truthful about.
 
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Pilgrim

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cheri1122 said:
Note to Pilgrim: apparently, we don't all "know how that turned out." [ACORN] They were absolved of guilt, when it was too late.
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You're kidding - right?

"...at least 18 former workers have admitted guilt or been convicted on varying charges of election fraud...."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/26/acorn-workers-convicted-admitted-guilt-election-fraud/

"...at least 54 individuals associated with ACORN have been convicted of voter fraud. (Table of convictions available here.)
ACORN itself was convicted of voter fraud in Nevada last year in a case that arose out of the same set of facts as in the Busefink case..."
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2012/10/09/nevada-acorn-conviction-upheld/

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/06/acorn-pleads-guilty-voter-registration-fraud-nevada/
And Mitt Romney wasn't "set up" by activists trying hard to get some 'gotcha!' moment on tape - he was speaking his honest opinion. That's always a risk for a politician hoping for votes from the people he's being truthful about.
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He was recorded speaking candidly, just as these PPH were. Only difference was that he stood behind his statements.
 
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Their voter fraud was so severe that they received probation. Good thing they didn't have any marijuana on them otherwise they would have spent life in prison.
 
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Unclebob said:
Their voter fraud was so severe that they received probation. Good thing they didn't have any marijuana on them otherwise they would have spent life in prison.
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From the 2010 article:
"So far this year, at least 18 former workers have admitted guilt or been convicted on varying charges of election fraud. The punishment has ranged from probation to several months of prison time."

It also looks like some other ACORN members had some side deals going on as well:

"In Milwaukee, three former ACORN workers have been convicted of election fraud.

Last week, Kevin Clancy was sentenced to 10 months in prison for his role in submitting falsified voter registration forms before the 2008 election. Clancy will start his sentence once he finishes another sentence he is currently serving for armed robbery.

Clancy's co-worker, Maria Miles, who pleaded guilty to election fraud in August, will be sentenced on Dec. 6.

In September, Frank Walton pleaded guilty to submitting 54 fake voter registrations during the 2008 presidential campaign. He faces up to 42 months in prison and a $10,000 fine when he's sentenced Dec. 6."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/26/acorn-workers-convicted-admitted-guilt-election-fraud/
 
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cheri1122

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I'll get back to the ACORN thing [need more research], but seriously: if you can't see the difference between a candidate secretly taped saying things "among friends" that are quite different that what he says/said to the voters, and a doctor secretly taped by someone who deliberately lied to her in order to entice her into incriminating the organization she represents, [and failing big time], you have a bias induced blind spot. Or you're reacting emotionally to the idea of "butchered baby parts", a manufactured image guaranteed to provoke outrage, however unjustified by fact.
Dr N [of PP] would have said exactly the same thing in public: "We obey the laws regarding donated tissue for research."
 
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-...b_612265.html?page=3&show_comment_id=50563828

ACORN was a victim of the same tactics as PP is experiencing right now - and considering the key involvement of James O'Keefe, that's not surprising. It's all about provoking outrage, the TRUTH is not important.
The conservative activists set up a sting, and while impersonating other characters, secretly videotaped their escapades. They released highly [and deceptively edited] video, much outrage ensued [among conservatives] demands to defund the organization succeeded.
Only later did the deceptions come to light - too late for ACORN, which collapsed because of the lack of funding and the scandal that discouraged private donors and volunteers as well.
Aside from the GAO report, 4 different city & state attorneys general conducted their own investigations, and ACORN was cleared in every one.
Fox News operates very much like O'Keefe: deception is acceptable, if it gets Congress howling for the blood of your enemies. The conservatives won the battle against ACORN, but they will not win the war. And they will not win the battle with PP, either. Because: women. :p
 
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aristotle said:
If Planned Parenthood is so desperate for money, why don't they create their own TV reality show? Call it "Chop Shop." Enterprising young producers could initiate on-line bidding for custom orders. Free shipping with dry ice. Orders delivered in a nondescript. unmarked box to avoid awkward moments. Anonymity guaranteed. This is where 50 years of liberal ideology has brought us.
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50 years of liberal ideology has brought us to a place where women no longer die from botched abortions. Do you seriously want to go back to that? Because if abortion is illegal, that's what will happen. Also, the need for abortions will increase immensely, without Planned Parenthood to provide contraceptives. Also, too, the rates of breast, uterine, and cervical cancer will increase, without PP to provide low cost screenings.
This liberal ideology works for women, and the men who love them.
 
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cheri1122 said:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-...b_612265.html?page=3&show_comment_id=50563828

ACORN was a victim of the same tactics as PP is experiencing right now - and considering the key involvement of James O'Keefe, that's not surprising. It's all about provoking outrage, the TRUTH is not important.
The conservative activists set up a sting, and while impersonating other characters, secretly videotaped their escapades. They released highly [and deceptively edited] video, much outrage ensued [among conservatives] demands to defund the organization succeeded.
Only later did the deceptions come to light - too late for ACORN, which collapsed because of the lack of funding and the scandal that discouraged private donors and volunteers as well.
Aside from the GAO report, 4 different city & state attorneys general conducted their own investigations, and ACORN was cleared in every one.
Fox News operates very much like O'Keefe: deception is acceptable, if it gets Congress howling for the blood of your enemies. The conservatives won the battle against ACORN, but they will not win the war. And they will not win the battle with PP, either. Because: women. :p
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How amusing, trashing Fox News and then using Huffington Post as a credible source. What's not mentioned in all of the cited article is that ACORN was cleared of charges that they mishandled federal funds. Conveniently omitted is any reference about their convictions for election fraud. In several cases the ACORN workers even pleaded guilty after being caught red-handed on video. It's likely the same fate will befall these body part brokers, in spite of all the squealing by the liberal politicians, the MSM and efforts by the high dollar crisis management team hired by PPH to put out the fires. IMHO, PPH should be able to continue to do business as usual - just without our tax dollars for the financial support of their abortion business. They make a healthy profit for a "non-profit" organization, and they could certainly survive a substantial cut in taxpayer funding. This a govt spending cut that's entirely justified.
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And while the abortion giant oversaw the killing of hundreds of thousands of babies, it could only muster 2,300 adoption referrals over the same time period, which comes out to some 145 abortions for every adoption.

As for other services it boasts, the pro-life Susan B. Anthony List (SBA List) noted that over the past three years, while its revenue has skyrocketed, Planned Parenthood's contraceptive services have dropped by 12 percent and its cancer screenings by 29 percent.

Meanwhile, according to its annual report, in 2010 Planned Parenthood raked in a record $542.4 million in federal, state, and local government funding — nearly half of its $1.2 billion in total revenue. Overall, Planned Parenthood ended the 2010-11 fiscal year with a $87.4 million profit.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/cultu...enthood-tallied-record-abortion-count-in-2010
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As stated in the OP, it's my opinion that if a woman wants to have an early-term abortion - so long as it's legal - she should be able to do so. It's also my opinion that the woman should be able to SELL - if she so chooses - these tissues to labs or individuals who use them for research or medical procedures. To simply turn them over to PPH or some other organization without value received and allowing them to profit from their use is absurd.
 
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I say why complicate the simple? Ocare is suppose to provide all of these services except abortions. Taxpayer funds aren't needed. Let them stay open with private money. Not suppose to be using taxpayer funds for abortions any way except in limited cases.
 
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