Pit bulls rip arms off a 74 yo veteran

skyraider

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Words are just not enough to explain why this happened. Words cannot repair this man. Words cannot do anything to correct this tragedy, words are useless at this time.IMHO
 

layoutshooter

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I don't believe it is the breed itself, but how it has been trained and bred over the years. They were often kept as companions for young children many years ago. How the individual trains and treats their dog will have more affect on it's behavior than the breed itself.

Maybe we should be looking at banning certain kind of pitbull owners? That would go for "certain kinds" of pet owners in general. Like people who let their animals roam uncontrolled for a start.
 

OntarioVanMan

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I was watching Dog Whisperer...ya know the pit bull used to be a very nice breed....then cross breeding and stuff happened..A pure bred Pit Bull is very good with children its those mutts that are dangerous.... a sheperd/wolf mix can be just as bad...turn on a dime...
 

layoutshooter

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I was watching Dog Whisperer...ya know the pit bull used to be a very nice breed....then cross breeding and stuff happened..A pure bred Pit Bull is very good with children its those mutts that are dangerous.... a sheperd/wolf mix can be just as bad...turn on a dime...

Yep, bad breeding, bad breeders and bad owners. Ban bad people. That is the ticket.
 

OntarioVanMan

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Yep, bad breeding, bad breeders and bad owners. Ban bad people. That is the ticket.
Dog Whisperer says the same thing almost... Bad owner/breeder = bad dog....with pit bulls it is VERY important the buyer know the family history of the dog they are buying...pit bull don't cross breed well...and well in breeding is just dangerous...
 

Jenny

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There are plenty of other dog breeds that are.just as vicious. I have many friends who rescue pits from.shelters.and they are the greatest dogs. Nick used to rescue and foster them. Its in the way they are raised, not the breed specifically. You hear more about pit attacks, but I have a friend who was attacked by a chihuahua and lost her ear, and has horrific scars on her face, but you don't hear people saying all chihuahuas must die.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8228648/pet-dog-mauls-four-in-sydney. Aren't golden retrievers supposed to the greatest family pets??
 
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Tennesseahawk

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That's because you chihuahuas don't lock and shake, and can't take your arm off, or tear your throat out. If a chihuahua goes 'Manson' on you, you just kick a field goal with it. Pit bulls? Not so easy.
 

The Enemy

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What happened to that man is very tragic. I'm glad the dogs were put to sleep, and I hope the owner is going to be held responsible for her dogs actions.

That being said, let me offer my opinion on some of the statements made here.


I totally agree. The breed needs to be exterminated.

By making this ignorant blanket statement about Pit Bulls or bully breeds would be like saying that all young males that were raised in a poor, abusive, criminal environment should be exterminated. Even though they haven't shown any signs of criminal or dangerous activity, they should still be exterminated because the news and statistics show that one day they might comit a crime, or hurt & kill someone. Or let's exterminate the Arab population because there are a few bad seeds within the good ones.

The reason you always hear about pit attacks is because they are a trendy dog these days. Bad people train and use them for bad things. In the 70's and 80's the popular "bad" breed was a Dobberman, later it was a Rotty, these days its a Bully breed.

There are plenty of other breeds that are just as vicious, could mame someone, and have a bad tempermant, but the reason you don't really hear about it is because the are cute cuddly family pets. IE; Large Poodles, Dalmations, Golden retreivers.

I personally have either been bit, or snapped at (almost bit) but the 3 cute cuddly breeds above plus a few others. I have also been snapped at by a Pit. Any animal can hurt or mame someone.

My experience with Pits/Bully breeds/"thug" breeds is quite extensive. When I lived in Jax, FL, I used to rescue and foster these breeds of dogs. Almost all of them came from abusive situations, some were even ex fighting dogs. Most of them were able to be rehabilitated and then placed in homes where the owners were very knowledgeble about the breed. The ones that could not be rehabbed and were too viscious towards other dogs and humans were humanely euthanized. This was done on a case by case basis working with vets and other trainers.

So before someone else goes ahead and makes such an outrageous ignorant blanket statement, do some research, you might be surprised that if trained right (just like any other breed) a Pit can be a very lovable dog that will be a great companion.


Btw.....of course IMO.
 
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scottm4211

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All pet owners should be held responsible for any injury that their pet causes to anyone if the pet is at fault. Dog rips off an arm? The owner is charged as if they did it themselves.
 

layoutshooter

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Pet owners should also be charged for any property damage their pet may cause to others property. That would include diseases passed on by their droppings. Keep pet INSIDE or totally under control. No pet, of any kind, should be allowed to roam free. It is dangerous for the pet and those it may come in contact with. That INCLUDES other animals or wildlife. Like the dog pack below:


Dog pack kills animals, terrorizes Wash. county - Yahoo! News
 

Turtle

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That's because you chihuahuas don't lock and shake, and can't take your arm off, or tear your throat out. If a chihuahua goes 'Manson' on you, you just kick a field goal with it. Pit bulls? Not so easy.

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Pit bulls are like big trucks. When handled properly they are perfectly fine, but when handled recklessly they cause great damage and suffering. When a big truck is involved in an accident, people scream rabid to get them off the road, get them regulated, get them under control, get them smaller and less dangerous. They're big and ugly and dangerous. Same with a pit bull.

Thanks to media frenzy, people believe that every pit bull on the planet either has or will attack someone, probably a child (although most people who are attacked are over 21). It's such a frenzy that even when pit bulls scratch someone it makes headlines.

They key to any dog is to maintain them as resident dogs inside of the household and as part of the family. All dogs are protective and territorial, and if you raise a dog as part of the family, it will be protective and territorial within those bounds. A dog raised as part of the family becomes socialized and learns to not overreact to the actions of people.

If you maintain a dog outside the family, like left to roam free, or chained up (constricted and angry) or fenced in and ignored except for feeding time, for purposes other than as family pets, like for a guard dog, intimidation or some warped status symbol, the dog will be territorial and protective within those bounds, too. This isn't good for any dog, but it's especially bad for a dog like a pit bull which can do some devastating damage when left to think on its own due to a lack of training and socialization.

When my mom and stepdad first got married, my stepdad had a real problem with dogs (and cats and whatever) being inside the house. All of his dogs were always outside dogs, more or less roaming free. He mentioned on more than one occasion that the reason he didn't like dogs inside was because most of the dogs he grew up with could be a little mean at times. Good thing he didn't have pit bulls. Well, he married into the wrong family, as all of our pets have been a part of the family, living in doors same as us. Took a little getting used to, but he sees the benefits of that now. My mom died a few years ago, and he still has the dog in the house with him. :)

I was born to two parents who already had a year-old pit bull, and I grew up with that dog. It was gentle, loyal and loving, and slept in the same bed I did for years. When I was 5 years old I was attacked and bitten in the face by a viscous little "wouldn't hurt a flea" Cοcker Spaniel owed by the family of the then-reigning Miss Kentucky who lived a few doors down the street. My dog grabbed the Spaniel off me and tossed it across the yard, didn't kill it or even really injure it, but got it's attention, and wouldn't let that dog come near me again. Ever.

Helen Keller owned a pit bull. So did The Little Rascals. It's not the breed, it's how you handle it. Hey, just like a big truck!
 
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copdsux

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"Kick a field goal with it..." That is an instant classic; got Bojangles Sweet Tea on the monitor.

Mike
 

Brisco

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More to the story here:

Prior dog bites and dog fight at home where Hawthorne man mauled by pit bulls | jacksonville.com

The man might lose his other arm too, and possibly his life.

Plus, the Dogs in question had a history of attacks before this attack.

I'm going to go with the Majority of how MOST people feel about Pit Bulls, and be ignorant about it too, and that is the breed needs to be EXTERMINATED off the face of the earth, Period.

Bad Owners, Bad Breeders, Bad Dogs, who really cares??? Get rid of the problem that causes the most damage, IE the breed of the dog itself, and there will be no bad owners or bad breeders.

Take it as you wish, but I'll stand proud with my ignorant opinion when I say Exterminate the Breed once and for all.
 

Turtle

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Why bother wasting time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous?

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AMonger

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That's because you chihuahuas don't lock and shake, and can't take your arm off, or tear your throat out. If a chihuahua goes 'Manson' on you, you just kick a field goal with it. Pit bulls? Not so easy.
Well you don't know my killer mini-dachshund. What she lacks in braun, she compensates for in brains. Her M.O. is to go after your shoe laces. Then you trip. Once you're on the ground, she goes for the jugular.

Hey, why is it important to the story and the headline to point out that the guy's a veteran? Would it be less of a tragedy if the guy was a pacifist?
 
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