Pilot and showers

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Exactly..with crown jewels of the likes of Granholm and Dingle*lol* Praise ye Michigan....:p

Granholm is NOT a "Michigander" By definition she cannot be. She was not born in Michigan. Just a fact. Now, where did she come from? OH YEAH, I remember now!! That great socialist mecca from north of us!!! THAT's right!! Seems like it was by way of the great socialist mecca of California as well. No wonder she is useless. Dingell on the other hand, gave up his rights to be called a "Michigander" He is NOT cool. How do I know that? Simple. I AM cool, I DETERMINE what is cool and what is not. I have determined that Dingellberry is NOT cool!! That is just how it is. Facts is facts.

Man, see what a good nights sleep does for one? :p
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
your just lucky Judy and I did not chose Michigan to live in...we might have had to duke it out for ruling power...


lol "duke it out"...been awhile since I've used that term...I must be old...:D
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
your just lucky Judy and I did not chose Michigan to live in...we might have had to duke it out for ruling power...


lol "duke it out"...been awhile since I've used that term...I must be old...:D

LOL!! You got THAT right!!! You are REALLY old!! :p

We might not have let you into Michigan!! You have to pass my "cool test" first. You are in trouble on that one. You don't hunt, don't fish and wear "funny shorts" mmmmmmmmmm not a good start!! Bet you don't know where my "rock" is either. :rolleyes:
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
No I don't know where you keep your pet "rock"
prolly next to your Chia pet:D


You are climbing "down" in "cool factor" Better work on that!! You are headed for "The Granholm" level of "sub-cool"!! Most likely call walleye pickerel and still call pickerel, pickerel too. Do you at LEAST remember the "Original 6" ? :D
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
You are climbing "down" in "cool factor" Better work on that!! You are headed for "The Granholm" level of "sub-cool"!! Most likely call walleye pickerel and still call pickerel, pickerel too. Do you at LEAST remember the "Original 6" ? :D

Pickeral, Perch, Large mouth Bass, Small mouth Bass, Pike and Musky....original 6 right?*LOL*

Original 6

Detroit,Toronto, Montreal, Chicago, Boston and NY....
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Pickeral, Perch, Large mouth Bass, Small mouth Bass, Pike and Musky....original 6 right?*LOL*

Original 6

Detroit,Toronto, Montreal, Chicago, Boston and NY....

Got the Original 6 correct, that is a point in your favor. Remember what a "blue pike" is? Pickerel are NOT walleye.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I don't ever recall a blue pike....any Whitefish in Lake Erie?


The "Blue Pike" is/was a close cousin to the walleye. Long thought to be extinct do to commercial fishing in the Great Lakes. I did read that they thought that they found a isolated population in a remote lake up in Canada but I have not heard anything about it for years.

There may be a few whitefish in Lake Erie, not sure on that one. There are in Huron and the other more "northern" lakes. I don't fish for them. Only walleye.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
The showers should cost more especially to those who don't or even can't buy enough fuel to cover the operational costs...
That would be true if they were "shower stops" and no other services were provided. Truck stop showers are a marketing tool amenity that is used to increase sales in the restaurant, convenience store and at the fuel islands. If Pilot, for example, suddenly closed all of its showers permanently, the loss of revenue would dwarf the operating costs of a shower.

The cost of an extra towel is inconsequential compared to the loss of all future business of a given customer. For example, The Detroiter used to have a policy where if you buy any fuel at all, even one gallon, you could get a $2 shower. Great for vans. But then they instituted the 50 gallon policy and anything less than that you had to pay full price for the shower. That told me they didn't want my business. And just like that they lost it. I haven't spent a penny in there since.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Here is a scenerio that happens... after claiming their fuel discount, a team goes in and shares 1 shower and gets extra towels...then unto the buffet...one will order salad bar and the other just the meal...they proceed to share off each others meals and then when cashing out request the senior discount and go out to the truck and complain about the overpriced place:rolleyes:
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
Yeah, that happens. But then there are people like me who will favor the Flying J, buy stuff in the convenience store, because they give me free showers, even if I let a lot of them expire and don't used them. I'll buy soft drinks while completely forgetting that I have a free cup coming.

As for those who cheat on the salad bar and buffet, what goes around comes around. Salmonella, campy and staphy will get 'em eventually. :D
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
We try cheating them because we figure we are getting over charged..and they over charge us for the same reason....vicious circle...
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
You may not but there is a lot that do....and we have to pay for it...


That is the same with everything else. I have read that almost 30% of the cost of retail goods can be linked to theft. We won't even go into what we must pay in taxes to cover what others take or don't pay.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
You know after 4500 posts about michigan and so on, I came to the conclusion that all trucks should have two things -

a shower

a toilet

any 60" or bigger sleeper can accommodate the toilet

any 10 foot or larger box can accommodate a shower

Vans are a bit different, they have the ability to find hotel rooms cheaper.
 

AMonger

Veteran Expediter
you guys are too much..I thought you were businessmen?

you know what the unit cost is for a gallon of water these days?

Not 'zackly, but was there some sharp rise around the time showers went from predominantly $5 to when they doubled? Not that I recall. And lots of truckstops use well water, so they're paying for the pump electricity, but not the water itself.



the cost to heat that water? the maintenance of the heaters and plumbing?

The cost of them towels and the cost to launder them? [/QUOTE]

There's an initial outlay for the towels, of course, but they're purchased in bulk at HQ, hundreds or thousands at a time, and reused, especially at Pilot, until they're the consistency of burlap. So after the initial outlay, they get a LOT of use out of them. And again, can you remember a general price spike in all these that would cause the cost of a shower to double?

then the labor to clean and general upkeep?

if a cleaner was to clean to somes exacting standards and it took 15 minutes for a stall at 8 bucks an hour that is $2 in labour alone...:eek:

Well, yeah, but they aren't anything close to exacting standards. They don't spend close to 15 minutes per stall. More like 5, and sometimes not even that. Sometimes it's just a quick mop-out.

And most importantly, we don't have labour down here. Is there a labour/labor exchange rate?:p;):D


...
get real gentlemen..it is a user pay world out there...there is no free ride anymore..besides showers are a tax deduction...

I understand that. In fact, if I stop somewhere to use the bathroom, like a fast food place or a gas station, I usually look for something small to purchase, at least a drink on the way out or something. But it seems that, like diesel, the cost increase isn't really reflective of the actual costs that make it up. The sum is greater than the total of its parts; there's some cost shifting going on.

It's not that I want to dictate how a businessman wants to set his prices, but it's like when I was selling steaks for a living: the company told us to keep selling. Some salesman didn't want to offend the customer by pushing more products on them. But the company said, "You know when it's enough? When the customer TELLS you that's enough."

So there are only two ways for us to tell the truckstops that the price for a shower is enough (or too much, in this case). One is to stop showering, which isn't feasible. The other is to tell them, "Enough!" which is what I'm doing.
 
Top