shadow7663
Expert Expediter
Fair answer, I guess I misunderstood your previous post! Thanks for clearing that up....... And glad to hear your coming back out in August!!!! Hope to see you at the yard soon!
Phone with John
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Fair answer, I guess I misunderstood your previous post! Thanks for clearing that up....... And glad to hear your coming back out in August!!!! Hope to see you at the yard soon!
Thanks Jason. I'm looking forward to getting out of this limbo.
I thought of something else regarding your fleet question. It's kind of a juggling act on how many trucks in the fleet. John has to have enough to cover the customer's needs plus a bit more.
The number I don't have is the percentage of the fleet that is out of service at any given time for breakdowns, driver hometime, etc. If trucks aren't available, the load gets brokered.
In a perfect world, all trucks have loads and no loads were brokered. All drivers accept load offers, all loads go as planned, everybody's happy.
If I had to make the whole thing work, I would need a direct pipeline from the Jack Daniels distillery in KY to the faucet in my kitchen.
I think John having the OVM LEGACY CORP. on the phone for an hour might add to the need for Jack, Jim, Jameson, h*ll even Mad Dog 20-20
chefdennis
Veteran Expediter
From the business side of the fleet owner that has multiple trucks with one company, I can see them having some of an "entitlement mentality" IF they are on with one of the large carriers...but that doesn't work for a mid size carrier where the owner is hands on...As was stated, John controls the number of units ... believe it or not John knows how much each truck is making and the number of loads they are running...the decision to add units comes from that info as well as his experience in the business, and looking at trends....
When I bought my new truck, I talked with dispatch, Brian and John....I was going to buy it and put it on with Load 1 even if that meant moving my CV to another company....but in the end, brian was ok with keeping the CV and Adding the bigger unit...But it was out of respect for how Load 1 is operated that I sought out the approval to add the new truck....there was no idea or thought of "entitlement" .... i mean 2 units doesn't not make you a fleet owner....
When I bought my new truck, I talked with dispatch, Brian and John....I was going to buy it and put it on with Load 1 even if that meant moving my CV to another company....but in the end, brian was ok with keeping the CV and Adding the bigger unit...But it was out of respect for how Load 1 is operated that I sought out the approval to add the new truck....there was no idea or thought of "entitlement" .... i mean 2 units doesn't not make you a fleet owner....
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I think John having the OVM LEGACY CORP. on the phone for an hour might add to the need for Jack, Jim, Jameson, h*ll even Mad Dog 20-20
MD20/20!!! Boy, does that bring back memories. I don't remember if they are fond ones though.
MD20/20!!! Boy, does that bring back memories. I don't remember if they are fond ones though.
If you remember them at all that's a good sign
If you remember them at all that's a good sign
Amen to that brother.
Between MD 20/20 and "Old 33" I'm surprised I have any brain cells left.
Amen to that brother.
We went to an all inclusive food and booze beach club in Mexico last year during a cruise stop. Someone asked if I enjoyed it. I told them I had no idea
Wild Child
Seasoned Expediter
First of all 1+1 doesn't equal 3....I did not just fall out of a highchair....gee whiz....
No where did I imply that you were responsible for the slowdown....that would be ridulous wouldn't it?
Did you cause the auto industry and suppliers to shutdown? By Golly....
I must have missed the bickering and whining....I thought it was a discussion...and then you go all personal on me...
BTW...go back and read the first post....do the math....it works out...
what you quoted you took out of context...
No where did I imply that you were responsible for the slowdown....that would be ridulous wouldn't it?
Did you cause the auto industry and suppliers to shutdown? By Golly....
I must have missed the bickering and whining....I thought it was a discussion...and then you go all personal on me...
BTW...go back and read the first post....do the math....it works out...
what you quoted you took out of context...
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jujubeans
OVM Project Manager
First of all 1+1 doesn't equal 3....I did not just fall out of a highchair....gee whiz....
No where did I imply that you were responsible for the slowdown....that would be ridulous wouldn't it?
Did you cause the auto industry and suppliers to shutdown? By Golly....
I must have missed the bickering and whining....I thought it was a discussion...and then you go all personal on me...
BTW...go back and read the first post....do the math....it works out...
what you quoted you took out of context...
Must be the heat...
The first post when the math is done...works out we are down 1 or 2...so I don't know where the leap of faith came in...
can't sleep..I was completely misunderstood...
so here we are single truck operators and we see additional units being added....
Of course we can not see the amount of numbers that are also leaving....sooooo as John said, the problem with being transparent is we all see what is happening...
BUT we did not see the units leaving....
As business owners it is our responsibility to question the issue...When explained it all comes together....
It is not a matter of trust but rather a good and sound principle of running our business....
Hope that explains it better....
Now I can sleep...
can't sleep..I was completely misunderstood...
so here we are single truck operators and we see additional units being added....
Of course we can not see the amount of numbers that are also leaving....sooooo as John said, the problem with being transparent is we all see what is happening...
BUT we did not see the units leaving....
As business owners it is our responsibility to question the issue...When explained it all comes together....
It is not a matter of trust but rather a good and sound principle of running our business....
Hope that explains it better....
Now I can sleep...
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The first post when the math is done...works out we are down 1 or 2...so I don't know where the leap of faith came in...
can't sleep..I was completely misunderstood...
so here we are single truck operators and we see additional units being added....
Of course we can not see the amount of numbers that are also leaving....sooooo as John said, the problem with being transparent is we all see what is happening...
BUT we did not see the units leaving....
As business owners it is our responsibility to question the issue...When explained it all comes together....
It is not a matter of trust but rather a good and sound principle of running our business....
Hope that explains it better....
Now I can sleep...
This discussion began asking the question if a fleet owner wants to add a truck does he have to clear it with management. That question has been answered, yes he does. Somewhere along the way the discussion devolved into how many trucks are in the fleet. It is not our responsibility to question the issue and it is not a good and sound principle of running OUR business, at least not at Load 1.
For John to grow his business, and by extension our business, he has to first secure the customers. Then he has to determine how many trucks are needed to cover said customers. The number of trucks has to exceed available loads. I prefer he spend his time doing that rather than wasting it explaining why this truck or that truck was added to the fleet.
For the sake of argument, let's say the fleet has 100 trucks. This coming Monday July 18th, 2011, how many of those trucks are going to be in service? How many of the in service trucks are going to turn down loads? How many drivers are "cherry pickers"? How many are going to break down in transit? How many are going to be held up loading or unloading? I could go on, but you should get the idea. There is no way to accurately put a number on it.
It's not the number of trucks in the fleet that is important. It's the average number of trucks that are AVAILABLE. I don't know what John's formula is for adding trucks and I don't need to know. Usually a carrier will add trucks when it gets to the point where the number of customers loads that are brokered out, because they couldn't cover them with their trucks, reaches a certain percentage. However, Load 1 dispatch consistently comes up with loads that are outside the customer base to keep us moving. Incredibly, John knows how long each truck has been sitting. I don't think he sleeps.
We are in the unique situation of being contracted to a company that is transparent and not hiding anything. We can ask questions of the owner, by phone, email, or carrier pigeon, and he will answer. If a problem needs addressed, he addresses it and gets back to us with the results. The number of trucks in the fleet is the least of my concerns.
Steve....I disagree....That is the way you think, that is fine
it concerns a few other truck owners...I am not the only one...
I think there is room for agreement here, not a divorce in the family...
it concerns a few other truck owners...I am not the only one...
I think there is room for agreement here, not a divorce in the family...
Steve....I disagree....That is the way you think, that is fine
it concerns a few other truck owners...I am not the only one...
I think there is room for agreement here, not a divorce in the family...
I wasn't disagreeing with your concerns or your right to have them. I was merely expressing my point of view on why a truck is added to a fleet, and why I don't feel John has to put out a bulletin on it. There is no argument.
I wasn't disagreeing with your concerns or your right to have them. I was merely expressing my point of view on why a truck is added to a fleet, and why I don't feel John has to put out a bulletin on it. There is no argument.
Thank Goodness....
Let me conclude....just having the access to question our leader on our concerns and he personally addresses those concerns is why we are what we are....#1....
I mean how many CEO's are accessable like that?
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chefdennis
Veteran Expediter
We all know that John is aware of every aspect of whats happening with the trucks on the road..from how long they have been sitting to the number of loads to the money they are making....he does this as a way to see whne we are running more loads or sitting too much,,,its about the growth,,too many units sitting too long, no need to add units..units running too many loads while others are oos , then thin the herd and add units....
I think the concern from contractors seeing new units coming on is while based on concern for our business, it comes from the old mentality of contracting with the bigger carriers that "needed a unit on every corner....That is not Load 1...we all know that, we know that the growth here is controlled and not a "add units just to add them" mentality....it is that "old" big carrier mentality way thinking that crops up and has some asking questiones....
One thing to keep in mind, and it is something that everyone of us have talked about...we are with great owner, a growing company and one that cares about us...I have only worked for one other carrier, but if the CEO knocked on the window of my van in the lot of his yard, id have no idea who he was and i was there for 3.5 yrs....none of us will ever have that happen at Load 1....concerns come up and they are answered, but I for one learned real quick that John and Load 1 were aware and concerned with me and my ability to make a good income with them....
Trust ladies and gentlemen...i really don't everthink we will have a reason to question the things that happen at Load 1...and while one owner was mentioned (an i understand that feeling of being the drwan in in the negative) i really don't think there was an attack on one...and that isn't said in defense because ovm is a friend, i have met Crapshooter and his 2 new drivers, he considered a friend also, just as everyone else here at Load 1....
Its all good people...we are with THE carrier that is going to be here along time and we are not just along for the ride, we are going to grow, just as the companmy grows...Personally, I all its all good for me and my little company...
Now if dispatch can move the 10 Sprinters ahead of me by Monday afternoon, i could use a run or 2 before the Expo...
Speaking of the Expo, I am looking forward to meeting alot of you, some i know, some ive only talked to, some ive only messaged on here...it will be great to meet all of you...Seeya later this week....
I think the concern from contractors seeing new units coming on is while based on concern for our business, it comes from the old mentality of contracting with the bigger carriers that "needed a unit on every corner....That is not Load 1...we all know that, we know that the growth here is controlled and not a "add units just to add them" mentality....it is that "old" big carrier mentality way thinking that crops up and has some asking questiones....
One thing to keep in mind, and it is something that everyone of us have talked about...we are with great owner, a growing company and one that cares about us...I have only worked for one other carrier, but if the CEO knocked on the window of my van in the lot of his yard, id have no idea who he was and i was there for 3.5 yrs....none of us will ever have that happen at Load 1....concerns come up and they are answered, but I for one learned real quick that John and Load 1 were aware and concerned with me and my ability to make a good income with them....
Trust ladies and gentlemen...i really don't everthink we will have a reason to question the things that happen at Load 1...and while one owner was mentioned (an i understand that feeling of being the drwan in in the negative) i really don't think there was an attack on one...and that isn't said in defense because ovm is a friend, i have met Crapshooter and his 2 new drivers, he considered a friend also, just as everyone else here at Load 1....
Its all good people...we are with THE carrier that is going to be here along time and we are not just along for the ride, we are going to grow, just as the companmy grows...Personally, I all its all good for me and my little company...
Now if dispatch can move the 10 Sprinters ahead of me by Monday afternoon, i could use a run or 2 before the Expo...
Speaking of the Expo, I am looking forward to meeting alot of you, some i know, some ive only talked to, some ive only messaged on here...it will be great to meet all of you...Seeya later this week....
Thank Goodness....
Let me conclude....just having the access to question our leader on our concerns and he personally addresses those concerns is why we are what we are....#1....
I mean how many CEO's are accessable like that?
Exactly.
Another variant of the formula I mentioned.
We've all seen this. I called it the "Orientation Mill Mentality" and where the concern for fleet size comes from. Old habits die hard.
I've worked with three other carriers. All were good companies, Load 1 is different and that difference is how John runs it.
Exactly my point. We're all in this together and together we will succeed. I love it when a plan comes together.
While waiting to load at an air freight company I listened to 2 other van owners from a company I won't name whine about too many vans. Then after I asked, they both stated they don't do cross border, don't do loads under X amount of miles, and of course must be home weekends.
It reinforced my decision to never again get a CB, or hang out at truck stops.
FWIW any chatter on new vehicles brought on during a "slow" period was probably just that, idle chatter.
It reinforced my decision to never again get a CB, or hang out at truck stops.
FWIW any chatter on new vehicles brought on during a "slow" period was probably just that, idle chatter.
Wrong...but it doesn't matter....go back to sleep...LOL