Penske Trucks being targeted?

[Brisco]

The one that makes me laugh. Is you have to log when transporting a rv but once it's bought you don't have to. Even though they use the same equipment to pull it. I guess they use fairy dust at the dealership.

Not really..........

When one is Transporting an RV to a Dealership.........he is doing it for Compensation - For Hire - and therefore IS regulated........

When Joe Cool hooks up to that Same RV with Equipment exactly as it was transported - delivered with, and heads to the lake for the weekend, he is doing it for Pleasure.....Recreational Intent.....

There is no Regulation of Pleasurable Use of RV's that I know of..............Except maybe if they were being used as Rental "Rooms" at some sort of Unique Campsite.............or as Cat Houses somewhere in Nevada.............

 

[sirgregory46]

Not really..........

When one is Transporting an RV to a Dealership.........he is doing it for Compensation - For Hire - and therefore IS regulated........

When Joe Cool hooks up to that Same RV with Equipment exactly as it was transported - delivered with, and heads to the lake for the weekend, he is doing it for Pleasure.....Recreational Intent.....

There is no Regulation of Pleasurable Use of RV's that I know of..............Except maybe if they were being used as Rental "Rooms" at some sort of Unique Campsite.............or as Cat Houses somewhere in Nevada.............

I understand all that. I still believe that the guy's delivering Rv's shouldn't have to log. I do think it is plum silly.

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[letzrockexpress]

Not sure what the reason would be for requiring a CDL B for vans. That's the same as requiring a CDL A for a straight truck. Class A, B and C is for the class of vehicle you drive. Seems a little much to require someone to take the road test in a straight truck in order to drive a cargo van.

True enough, that would certainly thin the herd.

I was merely thinking along the lines of a price support for van drivers. I have a class A so it it's no skin off my nose...

 

[zorry]

AT&T requires a CDL for all vehicles over 10,000 #.
Just a company policy.

 

[davekc]

That may be true for some expediters, but drivers of dump trucks, city delivery trucks, cement trucks, and trucks for air cargo delivery will still buy those trucks. If you drive a CMV which requires logging and scaling and inspections and the whole bit, the difference between all that and the addition of an actual CDL is really very minimal.

There are carriers who require a CDL for all drivers, including less-than 26,001 trucks and even cargo vans.

What is the big aversion, for those who have such an aversion, to getting a CDL? It's just another section on the written test, and the road test in the vehicle type you'll be driving, correct?

I would say not being able to read or fork over the few bucks to get one.

 

[Murraycroexp]

AT&T requires a CDL for all vehicles over 10,000 #.
Just a company policy.

IMO this is partly to ease their insurance costs. CDL drivers added to commercial policies CAN get the company a discount.
This policy also allows AT&T to swap that driver into any "weight" equipment they either operate, lease, rent or purchase down the road.
It's a smart move and one I implemented in a past life too.
FLEXIBILITY!!

 

[BobWolf]

The one that makes me laugh. Is you have to log when transporting a rv but once it's bought you don't have to. Even though they use the same equipment to pull it. I guess they use fairy dust at the dealership.

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I would like to see RVrs be required to log, scale and inspect. In fact, require a CDL as a class A motor coach with a drive plus tag axle scales in at around 40,000 lbs. And at roughly $150,000 to 250,000 and up for a vehicle I see no rreason they shouldn't require a cdl.

I run under 26,000 lbs, I have to follow all the same rules as any CDL holder, and have my own name and authority on the truck. Ive had a CDL in the past and have no problem getting one tomorrow if I had to.

The reason the pesky yellow as well as other rent a wreck outfits are used is the simple fact that when you pull in the scale usually the trooper flags you by. Anybody with a brainstem knows this.
THE END

I think we can put this topic to rest.
Bob Wolf

 

[BobWolf]

I forgot to mention RVrs should also have to pay Highway use taxes, I.F.T.A., participate in project golden flow and be subject to DOT physicals.

Bob Wolf.

 

[Deville]

A friend of mine has been working for UPS as a helper/loader for 2 years. He has been trying to get bumped up to driver & took a one day a week air driver job on Saturday. He has never drove a truck or a manual transmisson. No CDL, air brakes endoresement etc...

When I worked for UPS doing the same exact job & progressing to full time package car driver back in the 90's you needed a CDL C, a B with airbrakes endorsment was better & the ablilty to drive a mnaual transmisson.

fast forward 18 years UPS doesn't require a driver to have a CDL since most of their package cars are under 10,000 pounds. They do require you to drive a manual transmisson.

 

[runrunner]

I understand all that. I still believe that the guy's delivering Rv's shouldn't have to log. I do think it is plum silly.

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It makes sense for them to have to log for the same reason others have to log.When you are doing something for profit greed sets in and some will push the limits of safety in order to increase profits.

 

[Turtle]

And at roughly $150,000 to 250,000 and up for a vehicle I see no rreason they shouldn't require a cdl.

CDL is an acronym that stands for Commercial Drivers License. What makes it different from a regular operator's Drivers License is the operative word, Commercial.

Now you know.

There are 15 states, including New York, which require a non-commercial Class A or Class B to drive any vehicle (including a motorhome) that weighs more than 26,000 pounds, or is longer than 45 feet, though.

 

[sirgregory46]

It makes sense for them to have to log for the same reason others have to log.When you are doing something for profit greed sets in and some will push the limits of safety in order to increase profits.

If greed sets in they will just run multiple books. If there is a rule someone will find a way around it. It's not right it's just the way it is.

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[deadhead]

I was on 84 heading for Denver when an old yellow Penske pasted me since I was deadheading I found that truck on a grade a few miles ahead.I passed him and of course he passed me on the down hill side. That old rig was a long way from home with Minnasota tags.I stop for fuel and a brake when I had driven appox 30 miles there ahead was the blue lites and the Penske truck on it side with the with its cargo of what looked like 4 0r 5 oil well heads had ripped the box apart.Those things must weight 800/900each.I realized why he was having a hard time pulling that grade.I hear on the cb that a driver said the left the road with a blown tire on the steering axel.I hate to report but the driver didn't make it.They open the Interstate about a hour later.So fellows do you think these guys need looking at.I think I wasn't near him when that tire blow.The reason they can ran so cheap is they don't care about the rules the condition of there equipment.DOT can pull me over every week if it well keep these people off the road.......

 

[OntarioVanMan]

If greed sets in they will just run multiple books. If there is a rule someone will find a way around it. It's not right it's just the way it is.

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with the per mile $$$ so low...multiple books are a way of life since logs were invented....heck fudging a log book was mandatory learning way back when I drove...
many of the old school drivers I know all say when electronic comes in, they go out....

 

[KickStarter6]

In the almost 7 years I've run this straight truck, the vast majority of my DOT inspections have been in KY. I think they really like the ease of inspecting a truck with 2 axles, as opposed to 5 or more.

I live right off exit 76 I75 and I see the DOT pull so many people its unreal

 

[Deville]

I was on 84 heading for Denver when an old yellow Penske pasted me since I was deadheading I found that truck on a grade a few miles ahead.I passed him and of course he passed me on the down hill side. That old rig was a long way from home with Minnasota tags.I stop for fuel and a brake when I had driven appox 30 miles there ahead was the blue lites and the Penske truck on it side with the with its cargo of what looked like 4 0r 5 oil well heads had ripped the box apart.Those things must weight 800/900each.I realized why he was having a hard time pulling that grade.I hear on the cb that a driver said the left the road with a blown tire on the steering axel.I hate to report but the driver didn't make it.They open the Interstate about a hour later.So fellows do you think these guys need looking at.I think I wasn't near him when that tire blow.The reason they can ran so cheap is they don't care about the rules the condition of there equipment.DOT can pull me over every week if it well keep these people off the road.......

If that truck couldn't pull a 4500 pound load than it had other issues long before you saw it.

 

[pearlpro]

Recently I went to my Ryder dealer here in St Louis for an Entertainment job I was about to do, I asked for a 24" truck with the large liftgate, they were unable to supply me as they had FIVE trucks that people had knocked the roofs OFF, one of them had driven under something so low it literally clipped the entire roof off the truck, the complete roof, the other had signifigant damage....

Joe Public has no conception of what 13'6 means, he sees that and wonders Hmmmmm and then drives thru the drivethru.....

 

[tknight]

Joe public has no clue what 9'5" means most rentals are less than 13' !

 

[coalminer]

In the almost 7 years I've run this straight truck, the vast majority of my DOT inspections have been in KY. I think they really like the ease of inspecting a truck with 2 axles, as opposed to 5 or more.

And I thought it was just me, every time I pass through those scales in KY they pull me in for an inspection....