NCAA hands out punishment for Penn State's handling of Sandusky case What a ruling, Penn State has just been made an example of for the rest of our colleges.
Penn State ruling
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They should be prosecuting not persecuting.
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That I agree with. It is a raw deal for the people not involved.
yeah theres nothing wrong with the college. The past is the past and those responsible have been removed. No need to continue removing those present and future that dont deserve to be.
Tennesseahawk
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Too many, IMO, want a pound of flesh from this school, including the NCAA. There is nothing here for the NCAA to do that the courts didn't.
Personaly its a joke.... They punnish the students that played by stripping thier recorded wins, the school cannot play post season, take dawn a staute, fine 60 Milion the victoms dont get any of it,
so where is the punnishment.
You cant tell me that former students wont be looked at in a diferent light by saying they attended Penn State Tell me how that job interview will work out for a Peditrician or Teacher?
Former students should be compensated by being alowed to some how transfer records to annother school or institution name some way of deleting Pen state poisoned thier history. Pen State should eaat the cost
The Students that are there shoud be immediately allowed to transfer to the collage of choice they want and Pen state to eat the costs. Last but not least just like FMCSA can shut down a Motor Carrier for lesser things, lock the doors to Pen State for at least five years just to make the point.
Thats a good start.
Bob Wolf
so where is the punnishment.
You cant tell me that former students wont be looked at in a diferent light by saying they attended Penn State Tell me how that job interview will work out for a Peditrician or Teacher?
Former students should be compensated by being alowed to some how transfer records to annother school or institution name some way of deleting Pen state poisoned thier history. Pen State should eaat the cost
The Students that are there shoud be immediately allowed to transfer to the collage of choice they want and Pen state to eat the costs. Last but not least just like FMCSA can shut down a Motor Carrier for lesser things, lock the doors to Pen State for at least five years just to make the point.
Thats a good start.
Bob Wolf
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chefdennis
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This is a major over step on the part of the NCAA... look at all of the educations that the NCAA just tossed out with taking of the scholarships that the football program can offer...so much about caring for the "education" of the student athlete.....
They didnt care about all those young men getting violated ....ohh well....shut the place down for all i care...
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I think this proves that ALL football coaches should be required to register with the United Nations. This is PROOF that coaches cannot be trusted so it is just common sense that they all be registered to prevent other crimes from taking place. It is obvious that it is likely that ALL coaches are likely to molest children based on the the actions of Sandusky.
The NCAA has a deep-seeding need to be relevant. The playoff movement, the restructuring of conferences, lots of things that have left the NCAA on the outside looking in. What happened at Penn State was bad, but the reaction is basically, as the Paterno family stated, panicked. It's an overreaction. The NCAA has set aside their own hearing process by the Infractions Committee, and instead told Penn State that if you resist whatever we want to do, you'll be seen as defending child molesters, and if you bend over and take it like a man, we'll not give you the Death Penalty.
Jerry Sandusky and Penn State embarrassed and disgusted the hell out of the NCAA, the Big Ten, and both, the NCAA in particular, wanted frontier-style justice and revenge. NCAA president Mark Emmert's comments about other schools should now be looking at their own programs to consider whether or not they are "too big to fail," or more troubling, "too big to be challenged." That's the arrogance of absolute power in this little power play. There is something inherently hypocritical about responding to a problem created by winning by imposing sanctions intended to create losing. The NCAA officially legislated that Penn State will now be a losing team, and will lose for a long while, and will suffer greatly for it. Emmert apparently thinks that without NCAA intervention and discipline, that this same thing will happen at Penn State again. Arrogance. Ironically, when the penalties focus on wins - taking away Paterno's from the past and Bill O'Brien's for the future, and not taking away the losses - that simply reinforces the importance of winning, which is what Emmert specifically wants to curtail, the Culture of Winning. I do love a good irony.
They removed all wins as far back as the earliest allegation. Allegation, mind you, and not back to anything insofar as who knew what or when, because they didn't investigate who knew what or when. The Freeh Report accused the university president, someone who was molested as a child himself and has spent his entire adult life helping abused kids and trying to prevent it, of knowing about and covering up the actions of Sandusky. The NCAA took the Freeh Report at face value.
The one-year Death Penalty would have been harsh, not not as harsh as what the NCAA gave Penn State. No post season games and a big fine was expected, as was scholarship reductions. But in addition to all that, every student athlete and staff associates with any and all athletics at the university, not just football, are now required to take training classes yearly on ethics, code of conduct, sensitivity, and reporting of violations to the NCAA.
The Big Ten couldn't be left out, and they hit Penn State with no bowl or season TV revenue sharing.
Between the NCAA money and the Big Ten money, it's going to hurt, or even eliminate, a lot of athletics at Penn State. Only the basketball program comes close to self-sufficiency. All the others rely heavily on football revenue for their existence.
This ruling hurts most the past, present and future students, the very people who had nothing whatsoever to do with any of it.
There's no doubt the NCAA needed to do something drastic, original and meaningful. It needed to do something that indicated it understood who was innocent, who was guilty and who was victimized. It needed to make a statement that was neither self-serving nor vindictive. Instead, the NCAA fell back on tradition: an utter lack of imagination, with a large side dish of vindictiveness, and a resolution vague enough to be no kind of resolution at all. The Death Penalty would have been more productive. Penn State might as well change their name to Pennsylvania State Community College, because that's all the relevance they'll have for decades, both in terms of sports and academics.
Jerry Sandusky and Penn State embarrassed and disgusted the hell out of the NCAA, the Big Ten, and both, the NCAA in particular, wanted frontier-style justice and revenge. NCAA president Mark Emmert's comments about other schools should now be looking at their own programs to consider whether or not they are "too big to fail," or more troubling, "too big to be challenged." That's the arrogance of absolute power in this little power play. There is something inherently hypocritical about responding to a problem created by winning by imposing sanctions intended to create losing. The NCAA officially legislated that Penn State will now be a losing team, and will lose for a long while, and will suffer greatly for it. Emmert apparently thinks that without NCAA intervention and discipline, that this same thing will happen at Penn State again. Arrogance. Ironically, when the penalties focus on wins - taking away Paterno's from the past and Bill O'Brien's for the future, and not taking away the losses - that simply reinforces the importance of winning, which is what Emmert specifically wants to curtail, the Culture of Winning. I do love a good irony.
They removed all wins as far back as the earliest allegation. Allegation, mind you, and not back to anything insofar as who knew what or when, because they didn't investigate who knew what or when. The Freeh Report accused the university president, someone who was molested as a child himself and has spent his entire adult life helping abused kids and trying to prevent it, of knowing about and covering up the actions of Sandusky. The NCAA took the Freeh Report at face value.
The one-year Death Penalty would have been harsh, not not as harsh as what the NCAA gave Penn State. No post season games and a big fine was expected, as was scholarship reductions. But in addition to all that, every student athlete and staff associates with any and all athletics at the university, not just football, are now required to take training classes yearly on ethics, code of conduct, sensitivity, and reporting of violations to the NCAA.
The Big Ten couldn't be left out, and they hit Penn State with no bowl or season TV revenue sharing.
Between the NCAA money and the Big Ten money, it's going to hurt, or even eliminate, a lot of athletics at Penn State. Only the basketball program comes close to self-sufficiency. All the others rely heavily on football revenue for their existence.
This ruling hurts most the past, present and future students, the very people who had nothing whatsoever to do with any of it.
There's no doubt the NCAA needed to do something drastic, original and meaningful. It needed to do something that indicated it understood who was innocent, who was guilty and who was victimized. It needed to make a statement that was neither self-serving nor vindictive. Instead, the NCAA fell back on tradition: an utter lack of imagination, with a large side dish of vindictiveness, and a resolution vague enough to be no kind of resolution at all. The Death Penalty would have been more productive. Penn State might as well change their name to Pennsylvania State Community College, because that's all the relevance they'll have for decades, both in terms of sports and academics.
This does not affect me in the slightest. Why should I care? I don't even live in PA any longer and The Big Ten or college football in general could go away tomorrow and my life would hardly be impacted. No big deal. It is all for show, nothing more.
SO WHAT if the wins are vacated? Do the players who played in those games die? It is ONLY a GAME!
Students lose a scholarship? GEE, does that mean that they have less money for beer or drugs? GEE, they may then be able to LEARN something.
SO WHAT if the wins are vacated? Do the players who played in those games die? It is ONLY a GAME!
Students lose a scholarship? GEE, does that mean that they have less money for beer or drugs? GEE, they may then be able to LEARN something.
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That's such an ignorant post it's not even funny. I don't even know where to begin. OK, first off, life is not solely about living or dying, or the things that kill you or not. Life is about what you do with the life you've been given. It's about the pursuits you choose and how you live it. Life is what you make it, not whether you live or die. You're gonna die. So how you live is the important thing.
No, the players don't DIE because of the vacated wins. But because they don't DIE it doesn't make it any less important. They are damaged because it is something they pursued, both mentally and physically, as part of their lives, and their pursuit, their lives, has been invalidated by the actions of someone else out of their control.
Yes, football is a game, but playing football, on a team, is much more than a game. It teaches the life lessons of teamwork, strategy, sacrifice, dedication and discipline. You don't have to DIE to learn these things. In fact, it's better of you don't. But they can be taught playing football and other GAMES without having to DIE, and can be taught in a manner that will make you a better person for having played the game.
I won't even address the absurd "beer and drugs" statement, because it clearly comes from a total ignorance of what college scholarships are, and are for.
No, the players don't DIE because of the vacated wins. But because they don't DIE it doesn't make it any less important. They are damaged because it is something they pursued, both mentally and physically, as part of their lives, and their pursuit, their lives, has been invalidated by the actions of someone else out of their control.
Yes, football is a game, but playing football, on a team, is much more than a game. It teaches the life lessons of teamwork, strategy, sacrifice, dedication and discipline. You don't have to DIE to learn these things. In fact, it's better of you don't. But they can be taught playing football and other GAMES without having to DIE, and can be taught in a manner that will make you a better person for having played the game.
I won't even address the absurd "beer and drugs" statement, because it clearly comes from a total ignorance of what college scholarships are, and are for.
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Nope, just the same thing I hear about gun owners. One gun owner is bad, therefor they all are. Therefor guns should be banned. Sandusky was a college grad, so was Paterno, Obama, and that dude in Colorado. THEREFOR college should be banned. It OBVIOUSLY produces criminals. It's all the drinking and drugs that do it.
There are TONS of other schools, other football programs. IF a student is truly concerned about learning, they will. IF Penn State closed the world of learning would go on as if it were never there. There is NO one person, nor institution, that cannot be replaced. Penn State is one of thousands of schools, many of which are better. Many even have better ball bouncers.
I know all about the 'teamwork' aspect of sports. It can be learned without the mega money programs. Big time college sports are nothing more than big money magnets. They teach winning at any cost, nothing more.